Scoop vs Scout

[rocky_warrior]

That's enough of that.  I have never seen an internet forum moderated like that.  God bless the moderators here for the open discussion they provide.

Geeze you just made me go over there for the first time in 2 years to see what the hell was going on.  Oddly, still not worth it.

[4everwarriors]

The Sultan of Gonads, yo.

[Nukem2]

That's enough of that.  I have never seen an internet forum moderated like that.  God bless the moderators here for the open discussion they provide.

To be fair sultan, you do need to realize that your opinion is not a fiat young man.  Grow up.

[GGGG]

To be fair sultan, you do need to realize that your opinion is not a fiat young man.  Grow up.

Oh please.  He shut down two threads on the same topic when he was proven wrong.  People confident in their positions aren't scared of debate.

And stop the wise-old-man line OK??? 

[Nukem2]

Oh please.  He shut down two threads on the same topic when he was proven wrong.  People confident in their positions aren't scared of debate.

And stop the wise-old-man line OK??? 

Oh please, your sthick is getting to be too much.  Your opinion is your own.  You don't seem to get that.  Young man. 

[GGGG]

Oh please, your sthick is getting to be too much.  Your opinion is your own.  You don't seem to get that.  Young man. 

Then put me on ignore.  Cause I aint changing.

[jtrash37]

I vehemently dislike Dodds' posts (which amount to James Joyce-ian drivel with an obligatory stupid blender statement), as well as the tinted shades he wears.  However, I think there are some valuable posters on both boards. 

That being said, Sultan's thread is possibly the weakest thing I've ever seen.  Calling anyone anything on the interwebs is mighty pathetic... regardless of their decorum on any forum, let alone the one they run.

[GGGG]

Eh. Done it before. I'll do it again. Sunrise, sunset...

[brewcity77]

I think it was OTT, but I understand the frustration. Dodds made an argument, was clearly outdebated in the thread, then closed it with an article that he though settled everything. Then he himself started a new thread on essentially the same topic, was outdebated in the thread using evidence from the article that he himself had posted, and closed it. I can't fathom the reason for closing either. Was he embarrassed, upset that people didn't agree with him, or did he just want the dissenting opinions to disappear down the board?

I found it odd that his only obsession seemed to be that people take his side. For someone who spouts off on the importance of having opinions, he did everything in his power to squelch everyone's opinion that differed from his own. If there were swearing, personal attacks, or things were out of control in those threads, I could see an argument for shutting them down, but neither had anything so egregious. While I certainly wouldn't have handled things the way Sultan chose to, I also thought it was ridiculous to close the second thread, especially as it was one that he started.

And as for the fawning sycophants...I honestly can't believe some of the stuff that was written in there. One person saying that Sultan must be a Badger fan, another saying Sultan's language was inappropriate because it was Mother's Day. Really? Well, no one better use any swear words today, because it's Star Wars Day today in honor of George Lucas' birthday, and we all know the Star Wars movies didn't have swearing in them. No one there seems willing to admit that Dodds was wrong. I just don't get it.

[Hards Alumni]

I think it was OTT, but I understand the frustration. Dodds made an argument, was clearly outdebated in the thread, then closed it with an article that he though settled everything. Then he himself started a new thread on essentially the same topic, was outdebated in the thread using evidence from the article that he himself had posted, and closed it. I can't fathom the reason for closing either. Was he embarrassed, upset that people didn't agree with him, or did he just want the dissenting opinions to disappear down the board?

I found it odd that his only obsession seemed to be that people take his side. For someone who spouts off on the importance of having opinions, he did everything in his power to squelch everyone's opinion that differed from his own. If there were swearing, personal attacks, or things were out of control in those threads, I could see an argument for shutting them down, but neither had anything so egregious. While I certainly wouldn't have handled things the way Sultan chose to, I also thought it was ridiculous to close the second thread, especially as it was one that he started.

And as for the fawning sycophants...I honestly can't believe some of the stuff that was written in there. One person saying that Sultan must be a Badger fan, another saying Sultan's language was inappropriate because it was Mother's Day. Really? Well, no one better use any swear words today, because it's Star Wars Day today in honor of George Lucas' birthday, and we all know the Star Wars movies didn't have swearing in them. No one there seems willing to admit that Dodds was wrong. I just don't get it.

Star Wars day was May the 4th.

Come on Brew!

[brewcity77]

Star Wars day was May the 4th.

Come on Brew!

Both days are Star Wars Day

http://www.holidaysforeveryday.com/calmay12.shtml

Which is only fair, because every day should be Star Wars Day.

[jtrash37]

There is no denying Dodds is ..

Again, that doesn't make it any less ridiculous to start a thread on a forum he controls calling him names of that nature.

edit: come on, now.

[brewcity77]

I'm getting the impression Dodds isn't appreciative of me trying to put forth (what I feel is) a rational, reasoned argument as to the poor moderation there. And as soon as I make a suggestion, he thinks I want to be a moderator. Yeah...because working side-by-side on a site with someone as egocentric as him is just how I like to spend my free time.

[brewcity77]

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[cheebs09]

That's a shame. I thought your last long post was spot on and you were the most level-headed of the three main people in that thread.

[🏀]

Can we get a transcript of the post?

[Bocephys]

I managed to catch that thread right before he deleted it apparently.  That was my first time over there, don't see why it's worth paying for.

[brewcity77]

Can we get a transcript of the post?

The thread is still over there, it's now in the "Sports History Forum". Here's the post that got me banned:

John, from the last day of the first thread and into the creation of the second thread, Nukem2, Murf, nickthedribbler, pbiflyer, BuzzWilliams4Prez, Xpert, and more all posted in the two threads. If the topic was dead, why was there so much interest? And how is talking about a new Marquette arena not talking about Marquette basketball? Saying there was no interest other than you, Sultan, and myself is at best wholly inaccurate. If you want to close it, fine. But to say there was no other interest flies in the face of the facts.

You ask why I take issue if I agree with you. It's basic free speech. The classic Voltaire quote comes to mind: "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it". Just because I agree with one side or the other doesn't mean I don't want to hear what the opposite side has to say.

Then you again question my use of bully, but follow it with "I don't think you shouldn't post here anymore". So because I express my opinion, you want me off your site? And you don't understand how I could call you a bully?

As far as why I care about your opinion, it's the same reason I care about Sultan's opinion, or Murf's, or ddsam's, or Young's, or Xpert's, or zerg's, or anyone on the site. Because I find that all of these people can put forward valid and valuable arguments. By the same token, I've heard some of them spout some absolute nonsense. But just because I find some of their assertions to be nonsense (and undoubtedly they the same of mine) doesn't make the discussion not worth having.

I really don't think my argument is nearly as convoluted as you seem to think it is. I think people should be allowed to express their opinions. I think this site has merits and also think it has flaws. And I think that when you get amped up, you would rather shut down a discussion than let it continue. I made a few suggestions as to how I have seen sites better moderated in the past, but I definitely wouldn't want to be part of the moderation here. While I think we have had some good discussions, I think when things get heated, you and I can be a bit like oil and water, and don't think that would make for good moderation for either of us, but more so for the rest of the members of the site.

Also, the "hobby" argument is getting a bit tired. Last I checked, a hobby is something one does for pleasure, not profit. If you are going to profit off this site, you owe it to the paying members to make this as worthwhile an experience for them as possible. And if it truly is only a hobby, where's the harm in letting some of your more dedicated users share the burden of moderating? There's a reason some have left the site completely and others only frequent the Insider's Club.

Finally, while I want what's best for Milwaukee, I don't agree that this arena should be built to spur the economy. I want it built because I want Marquette's basketball team to play in the best facility possible. That's my only motivation for seeing this thing get done.

[Lennys Tap]

I'm getting the impression Dodds isn't appreciative of me trying to put forth (what I feel is) a rational, reasoned argument as to the poor moderation there. And as soon as I make a suggestion, he thinks I want to be a moderator. Yeah...because working side-by-side on a site with someone as egocentric as him is just how I like to spend my free time.

I have no idea whose argument was superior in the original dust up between Dodds and Sultan (didn't read the thread) but:
1. It wouldn't surprise me if Dodds "case closed" a debate he was losing by declaring himself the winner....he does that sort of thing frequently.
2. That said, I can't believe that you or Sultan are surprised or disappointed about being banned. Isn't that what happens when you call the moderator a kitten, a bad moderator, irrational, etc.? Isn't it what you're trying to make happen?

[brewcity77]

No, not at all. On the sites I've moderated, I actually listen when people complain about how moderating is handled. And I've definitely learned the best way to handle someone calling for free speech and accusing me of bully tactics is most certainly NOT to ban them. It invites anarchy.

Found it interesting that he's now bumping numerous threads to push the criticism down the page. My lord, he is a piece of work.

[Lennys Tap]

No, not at all. On the sites I've moderated, I actually listen when people complain about how moderating is handled. And I've definitely learned the best way to handle someone calling for free speech and accusing me of bully tactics is most certainly NOT to ban them. It invites anarchy.

Found it interesting that he's now bumping numerous threads to push the criticism down the page. My lord, he is a piece of work.

Maybe I don't understand "anarchy". I'd say you can make the argument that Dodds is way too strict,a totalitarion. On the other side of the spectrum, total free speech, insult anyone and everyone (including the mods) in the name of free speech = anarchy.

[tower912]

Moderators have different things that set them off.   Unless I am mistaken, this board just had a number of posters given timeouts for veering off into the political realm.    IMO, Dodds is in the wrong here.   But it is his board and he gets to set the boundaries as he sees fit.   The same thing applies here, as was dramatically demonstrated 10 months ago.       Clearly, the rules here are a little different.   But moderators spend a lot of time to make a board work.   They, too, can have hot button topics and cranky weeks.      The moral of this story?    Moderators make the rules.    There are two options.   (1).   Play by the rules the mods set up, regardless of what you may think of them.     (2)    Go elsewhere.   

[brewcity77]

There are two options.   (1).   Play by the rules the mods set up, regardless of what you may think of them.     (2)    Go elsewhere.

Well, that's part of my issue. Play by what rules? I was never told the rules, just banned. No warning, no PM saying "I've had enough, let this go or else", and don't know of any rules list that exists on his site that explains what I violated.

Apparently, questioning Prince John is a rules violation, though it doesn't seem to be posted anywhere. I just find it incredibly ironic what I wrote to get me shipped off. Questioning free speech, bully tactics, and saying that despite what I think of anyone's opinion, it's still worth having the discussion.

[GGGG]

Brew. I am sincerely sorry that you got banned. I know that you were essentially defending me and I feel bad because of that.

I do take solace in the fact that I was obviously right in describing him in that manner though.

[real chili 83]

Brew. I am sincerely sorry that you got banned. I know that you were essentially defending me and I feel bad because of that.

I do take solace in the fact that I was obviously right in describing him in that manner though.

What's the attraction to the other site?  How is it different than this one?  I've only heard people bash it.  Isn't it a site you have to pay to join?  If so, why bother.