Scoop vs Scout

[4everwarriors]

How many here wear the scarlet letter of banishment?

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

A few comments:

2.  Grey Goose is vastly overrated.

Belvedere is the read deal.  - But I'm somewhat biased due to my Polish in-laws.

[warriorchick]

Belvedere is the read deal.  - But I'm somewhat biased due to my Polish in-laws.

I know I am probably going to get flamed for saying this, but the Costco vodka is actually pretty good. And nicely priced, which is important given the volume I buy.

Criticize me if you want, but all I know is, when the vodka goes in, the pain has to go somewhere else.

[sailwi]

Partial to Kettle One but I've heard the Costco house brand is very good, urban legend has it Costco is bottled by same company as Grey Goose but never confirmed.  Can't beat the per unit price of the Costco brands.

[Sir Lawrence]

I know I am probably going to get flamed for saying this, but the Costco vodka is actually pretty good. And nicely priced, which is important given the volume I buy.

Criticize me if you want, but all I know is, when the vodka goes in, the pain has to go somewhere else.

Haven't had it.  But if you are blending it with tonic/juice/soft drink, then it probably doesn't matter much.   You notice the difference with martinis and gimlets.

Grey Goose is all marketing horse manure.  They spend more manufacturing the bottle than the liquid.  Those that have mentioned Rehorst are spot on.   A very good vodka.  I'm with Warthog:  Absolute/Skyy are very good every day vodkas.   Go much cheaper and you are begging for a hangover.  Ms. WarriorChick-- for a great spirit , try North Shore Distillery's vodka. A product of Lake Bluff.  Close to Milwaukee's Rehorst, but easier to obtain in your wheelhouse.

[kryza]

I read both about the same amount of time, but post on Scout a lot more. But that's really just to add a younger voice to what they say over there. Dodd's does what he wants and it can get really annoying (especially with all OT brewers talk now that they are relevant again), but really, each site has their advantages and disadvantages imo.

[cheebs09]

The Scout site hasn't had a 100 page thread, I think that's all that needs to be said.

I honestly like it here better. Scout lost a lot with the departure of IWB. Here it is more relaxed. After a loss though, I'm probably more likely to read Scout, if any board. I agree that there's a level of arrogance over there. I think the perceived gap is closing a little bit because they have a few posters that start a lot of threads and fill up threads with their nonsense.

The Crean and Chicos stuff gets annoying here, but not enough to stop reading. As I said in another post, if you take it for the humor that it's meant to be, it can be pretty funny. If Buzz bailed and we started posting Curly pictures and Sweet Tea jokes, I'd enjoy it the same way as the Crean stuff (granted, I like Buzz a lot more).

One thing I like here is that there are less trolls from other schools (SMU excluded). They seem to go to the Scout site more, so that makes things better.

[AZWarrior]

I like the color of Scoop much better. I would disagree about the name calling being absent over there. Uncle John is an expert at staking out some virtual moral higher ground. And don't get me started on JG/Red Baron/Murf/Great One.

Scout definitely has value but I spend the vast majority of my time here.

I'm STILL pissed about picking up a virus there.

The single best thing, IMO, which separates Scoop from Scout is the lack of Murf.

[MU B2002]

I like Titos vodka.

And scoop.

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Wait, I got it. GENUIS!

MUScoop branded vodka. I'd like it.

[KenoshaWarrior]

The fact that this thread would not be allowed to exist on the scout site is why I pick scoop.

Excellent quote. 
Scout is very good for some of the big recruiting news and has some decent articles but it was not nearly as good as the old geocities than the Rivals board that was ran by Mike Juno.  I thought the tactics of hijacking the board from Mike Juno (Which was extremely well run) caused a rift between Marquette fans. 
The other problem with scout is some of the clientale.  I am forever thankful for Gato, IWB, and Unclejohn for some of the things they helped me with in college including a ride to the Twin Cities for the Regionals on 03; but guys like Dodds and Mayor Beluga make me disgusted that I cheer for the same team as them. 
In fact I remember meeting Mayor Beluga at the 2002 C-USA tournament and when i introduced myself he enjoyed telling me how he had "3 M's  Marquette Law, Marquette, High, Marquette Undergrad"
Even at 20 years old I thought it was the lamest brag of all time,  plus I think he was only 30 at the time and the fact that he was already a member of the Gold Sweatervest crowd spoke volumes about who he thought he was.  I also feel that most of the folks over at scout dont truly represent what Marquette is about.
On the other hand the scoop board seems to be not only younger but more blue collar and I think that we at scoop help break the mold of the stuff shirt marquette alumni/fan

[KenoshaWarrior]

How many here wear the scarlet letter of banishment?

I have under 5 different names

NateDoggMU
OleBagofDonuts
MarquetteWarriorSC
Fulce18footerfromTheBaseline
MayorNateDogg

[KenoshaWarrior]

Haven't had it.  But if you are blending it with tonic/juice/soft drink, then it probably doesn't matter much.   You notice the difference with martinis and gimlets.

Grey Goose is all marketing horse manure.  They spend more manufacturing the bottle than the liquid.  Those that have mentioned Rehorst are spot on.   A very good vodka.  I'm with Warthog:  Absolute/Skyy are very good every day vodkas.   Go much cheaper and you are begging for a hangover.  Ms. WarriorChick-- for a great spirit , try North Shore Distillery's vodka. A product of Lake Bluff.  Close to Milwaukee's Rehorst, but easier to obtain in your wheelhouse.

I thought Vodka was supposed to be Flavorless....Thus how does one Vodka taste better than the other.  FYI I am a Gin Drinker who loves Rehorst

[MUfan12]

Visit both boards, and prefer it here by about one Superbar.

I get annoyed here at times, but have also gotten way more laughs and entertainment here. Good cast of characters. I find guys like Crisco and SilverWarrior great to read for X's and O's on Scout.

Both have their strengths and weaknesses, but I think that's why it works so well. Best of both worlds.

[Blackhat]

Al once said, "If the waitresses have dirty ankles the food will be good." Somehow, I think Al would prefer the unbridled give and take of this board versus the sanctimonious drivel of Dodds'.

Al is the guy who stood on the scorer's table after a last second win over Wisconsin, inciting the Hughes twins father to flip him off. Al got into a fist fight with Toone at half time of the NCAA Cincy game. Ted Sorensen wrote in his biography of Bobby Kennedy that the only two white men who could safely walk the streets of Harlem and Bed Sty in the spring and summer of 68 were Bobby and Al. There was grit under his finger nails, a never back down fierceness developed during his teens leaping over the bar in his father's joint to take on a nasty drunk. That attitude is what permeates this site, gives it its personae, adds color, and defines its character. There was an edge to Al and that is very much evident here.

Dodds site is Ward Cleaver who only boned June every fourth Saturday. It is Country Club Republican with an affected politeness, a veneer of civility trying desperately to mask deep seated jealousies, hatreds, rivalries, and psychoses. Marquette Hoops is white bread, milk toast, roast chicken on Sundays after Mass. It has all the honesty of Gibson Martinis made with no-name hooch dispensed from a Grey Goose bottle.  Dodds pretends to be a hard hitting journalist dispensing insight and honesty. He delivers neither. He likens his editorial policies to Joe Stalin and in a way he is right - I will only accept what I agree with. And yet, he lacks Stalin's balls. Stalin allowed his minions to play themselves out against each other in a virtual Hegelian dialectic in order to arrive at the best decision.

I very much prefer Scoop. It has warts, it has battle scars, and it has Chicos flying under a Nom de Cyber but it most genuinely reflects the spirit that was Al.

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How many here wear the scarlet letter of banishment?

Recently discovered my letter was lifted.

[real chili 83]

Where else can I post on a 100 page thread about crawlers v. Minnows on eagle lake and find a fellow scooper that has fished with the same guide?  Huh?   Only on MUScoop.

Going tomorrow to Red Wing to fish the Mississippi.   Monster eyes.  

Oh, and the bball talk is great.  

I nominate Lloyd Moore's Legs for most creative moniker.

[mu_hilltopper]

Seems to be some memory fog around here.

Mike Juno started Geocities.  After 2-3 years, he and Dodds joined forces on Rivals, with Dodds promoting the site via his radio gig.

Dodds didn't "hijack" Rivals .. he and Juno had a disagreement over editorial policy (ironically due to someone who has posted in this thread) and decided to leave for Scout.

Juno did it alone for a while .. eventually Uncle John, SoCalWarrior and myself started moderating .. Rivals asked me to take over for Juno .. uncle john left due to his protests over the political board .. then I abandoned Rivals and got Rocky and Spiral to start Scoop.

I guess that reads like a soap opera .. but really, that's 15 years of history, from 1997 to now.    Things have been relatively stable for 5 years now.

It is interesting to theorize .. Had Dodds not been involved years ago / been as editorially strict, that schism wouldn't have happened.  We'd probably all be on Rivals right now, no Scoop, no Scout.

[Dawson Rental]

I frequent and post on both sites, though I like the tone and temperament of this one better. For some reason, Dodds is convinced that I run this site, so any time I bring up this board, it's taken as though I'm trying to drive posters from his site over to this one*. There's sometimes value there, but there's definitely more of an elitist tone on that site that I'm not a fan of. I find it funny that a fair number of posters there seem to look down their noses at this site and feel there is some unspoken rivalry going on. Last I checked, we're all Marquette fans.




* Rocky, Hilltopper, Spiral, and company, feel free to start cutting me checks any time...

I believe that way that that works is you start cutting them checks for the extra server space and time used by your newly supplied posters.

[WI inferiority Complexes]

I go to both sites everyday, but rarely post on either.

I don't care about individual posters or their personalities on either board, so I skip over every joke or reference to another poster.  I skip over a lot more on Scoop than Scout.  I don't consider this a problem, but just not my cup of tea.

The guy....who writes...like this... and all the the OT Brewers B.S. (apparently now I'm supposed to believe there are a bunch of MLB fans in Milwaukee) can get very annoying, but I enjoy both boards.

[Dawson Rental]

Scout definitely has value but I spend the vast majority of my time here.

I'm STILL pissed about picking up a virus there.

The single best thing, IMO, which separates Scoop from Scout is the lack of Murf.

When I heard that a new board was starting over here, I ran over here, I simply couldn't put up with one more Murf post about how Diener wasn't a Division I player, and would never have been strong enough to get his shot off in the Big 10, if he had gone to Wisconsin.  UUUGGG!!!

I've never gone back.  I do miss Unclejohn, now that his name has come up.

[brewcity77]

I believe that way that that works is you start cutting them checks for the extra server space and time used by your newly supplied posters.

Dammit! I knew there was a flaw in my logic! 

The guy....who writes...like this... and all the the OT Brewers B.S. (apparently now I'm supposed to believe there are a bunch of MLB fans in Milwaukee) can get very annoying, but I enjoy both boards.

The OT stuff drives me nuts, one thing I love about the Superbar. But what's worse there is that there are separate Packers, Bucks, and Brewers forums in the Scout site, they just never use it, instead putting it all in the Marquette basketball forum.

I think my biggest issue there is that it is a poorly moderated site. First, it's too much for one guy to do on his own. Second, too many trolls are allowed, something that would be easily fixed by forcing users to get approval, rather than letting every SMU, WVU, and Florida troll with a Scout account run roughshod over the board. Third, all the OT stuff should be done away with -- what's the point of having separate forums for other sports and not using them? Fourth, it'd be better if the skin was thicker. As someone mentioned, Dodds would never allow a thread like this, even though in all honesty, it does nothing to reduce his readership.

[Chili]

Not familiar with Rehorst but it is likely not available in Seattle. As a grizzled fighter pilot I have developed a taste for single malt, especially the Islays. There is a world class brew pub here in Issaquah that is owned by Rogue out of Oregon. Not only do they make the finest hand crafted beers this side of Germany but they also make spirits. They have a single malt which has been, "Aged Six Fortnights." Priceless.

No Georgetown Brewery????

[Canadian Dimes]

Both boards are for Mu fans to gather and diseminate information about their favorite team. each is run differently.

But...

This is where I have a huge problem with IWB.

The guy is not an MU grad. and only first showed up when he saw a dollar could be made.  The Scout board began touting this heretofore never heard of recruiting expert, who's sole claim to fame was going and seeing Dom. James play once in HS!!

What did he really ever do but create the scout "insiders" board?  Absolutely nothing but go to a few local AAu tournaments and create an "insiders" board where instead of all MU fans recollecting what they saw for all, a few "insiders" discussed amongst themselves, until the information ultimately got out anyway.

So he took previously public information and convinced a few suckers to pay $10 amonth to him to attempt to make the info private.  Wow what a tremendous service and what did those suckers get for it?

Sounds to me alot like a fraternity, sorry but not a cup of tea that this old Warrior is interested in.

Then when apparently the gig was up on the "insiders" board he went and created his own website.  Which was all kicked of with a click driving attempt all centered around a huge shitstorm that he created, in another self serving attempt monetize MU basketball fan interest.

A Marquette guy?

I know better

[GGGG]

When I heard that a new board was starting over here, I ran over here, I simply couldn't put up with one more Murf post about how Diener wasn't a Division I player, and would never have been strong enough to get his shot off in the Big 10, if he had gone to Wisconsin.  UUUGGG!!!

Cmon...Murff is a basketball expert.  Just ask him.

With all fairness, I know he played at MU and was a high school coach, but his style went out with ball-hugger shorts.