Scoop vs Scout

[bamamarquettefan]

Dodds has done great things for MU from the interviews with al on.

I really don't go over there, but it's just a habit thing. Started with cracked sidewalks, followed it here, and now it's a habit.

[TedBaxter]

Wait, so the fact that Buzz might have leaked the SMU rumor to IWB on purpose has cause IWB to lose credibility with Buzz because Buzz doesn't like the spotlight?

I think I'm missing something.

It wasn't IWB who leaked anything.  I think Jeff Goodman or Andy Katz was the one who put out on twitter that SMU was showing interest in Buzz.  I won't even comment on some of the other garbage posts on this thread.  Fellow MU fans unified?  Guess not.

[mu03eng]

Had a great beer last night - Lakefront Rendezvous. I had no idea it is from Milwaukee until someone pointed that out. Funny that is is available in Seattle.

That is a fabulous beer.  Their Fixed Gear is also outstanding

[warthog-driver]

That is a fabulous beer.  Their Fixed Gear is also outstanding

I really enjoyed it until I read the bottle and the claim it was made with French yeast. Reminded me of a bordello in Marseilles...

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

You are missing something. The facts.

Agreed. Honestly, I have no idea what is going on with Buzz or IWB.

I was wondering how you came to your conclusions, but I think there must be some things that I don't know.

[warthog-driver]

Agreed. Honestly, I have no idea what is going on with Buzz or IWB.

I was wondering how you came to your conclusions, but I think there must be some things that I don't know.

None of us knows how any of that went down. I believe there was some bitterness on Buzz' part but that is purely supposition. The word originally came from Katz, not IWB. My only beef with IWB is that he always played the I gotta secret game. I was given a free "premium" membership one of the times I was in Iraq. I honestly saw nothing worth paying for. I sent IWB an email asking for amplification on one of his posts and he pleaded he could not burn a source! Puhleeeze! That's when I knew he was full of it.

[Canadian Dimes]

It wasn't IWB who leaked anything.  I think Jeff Goodman or Andy Katz was the one who put out on twitter that SMU was showing interest in Buzz.  I won't even comment on some of the other garbage posts on this thread.  Fellow MU fans unified?  Guess not.

U apparently chose not to read IwBs posts stating what " he was hearing". He also state he was 60% certain he was gone.

Others reported SMU wanted to talk to Buzz about Benford

Hmmm

[brewcity77]

It wasn't IWB who leaked anything.  I think Jeff Goodman or Andy Katz was the one who put out on twitter that SMU was showing interest in Buzz.  I won't even comment on some of the other garbage posts on this thread.  Fellow MU fans unified?  Guess not.

Pretty sure IWB had it up first. I am certain that Goodman used IWB as his source for his article.

[murara1994]

Pretty sure IWB had it up first. I am certain that Goodman used IWB as his source for his article.

Pretty sure you are wrong

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/18025287/smu-pursuing-marquettes-buzz-williams (March 24)

http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/content.php?287-Could-Buzz-Williams-leave-Marquette-for-SMU (March 25)

[Rubie Q]

Pretty sure you are wrong

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/18025287/smu-pursuing-marquettes-buzz-williams (March 24)

http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/content.php?287-Could-Buzz-Williams-leave-Marquette-for-SMU (March 25)

Right: the issue isn't who had it up first; the issue is who treated it as anything other than nonsense. Goodman, Katz, Seth Davis -- all of them dismissed it out-of-hand as pie-in-the-sky dreaming by SMU. IWB was the only one who said it was "more than a rumor."

[murara1994]

Right: the issue isn't who had it up first; the issue is who treated it as anything other than nonsense. Goodman, Katz, Seth Davis -- all of them dismissed it out-of-hand as pie-in-the-sky dreaming by SMU. IWB was the only one who said it was "more than a rumor."

So what?  If IWB believed it was likely to happen (60%), and it didn't happen, why does that necessarily reflect poorly on him?

[Nukem2]

It wasn't IWB who leaked anything.  I think Jeff Goodman or Andy Katz was the one who put out on twitter that SMU was showing interest in Buzz.  I won't even comment on some of the other garbage posts on this thread.  Fellow MU fans unified?  Guess not.

Yep, some folks here really don't get it.  As noted here now, it was Goodman who first posted the "rumor" and all IWB did was to say that permission was granted to SMU to speak to Buzz and that the story had some legs.  As Goodman noted, its was highly unlikely that Buzz would bite on an offer from SMU.  As with Majerus, that was true.

[Rubie Q]

Yep, some folks here really don't get it.  As noted here now, it was Goodman who first posted the "rumor" and all IWB did was to say that permission was granted to SMU to speak to Buzz and that the story had some legs.  As Goodman noted, its was highly unlikely that Buzz would bite on an offer from SMU.  As with Majerus, that was true.

He also told MU fans they should be concerned and were in "for a bumpy ride," then took oblique shots at Fr. Pilarz and Larry Williams in his post for messing with Buzz's happy. He's the one who fueled the brief-but-intense frenzy around this non-story.

[Nukem2]

He also told MU fans they should be concerned and were in "for a bumpy ride," then took oblique shots at Fr. Pilarz and Larry Williams in his post for messing with Buzz's happy. He's the one who fueled the brief-but-intense frenzy around this non-story.

And you know that it was a non-story...?

[Rubie Q]

And you know that it was a non-story...?

You mean, besides the fact that it was Buzz Williams taking the job at SM-Freaking-U?

[Bocephys]

You mean, besides the fact that it was Buzz Williams taking the job at SM-Freaking-U?

While I agree that it was a pretty unbelievable end game, the alleged rift between the new administration and Buzz has been confirmed by almost everyone.  I think that disqualifies it from being a "non-story".

[Rubie Q]

While I agree that it was a pretty unbelievable end game, the alleged rift between the new administration and Buzz has been confirmed by almost everyone.  I think that disqualifies it from being a "non-story".

Those are two different things, in my mind: I think there are/were issues with Buzz and the administration. But that doesn't mean that Buzz was ever seriously considering taking the SMU job. And the latter is what I was calling a "non-story."

[murara1994]

Those are two different things, in my mind: I think there are/were issues with Buzz and the administration. But that doesn't mean that Buzz was ever seriously considering taking the SMU job. And the latter is what I was calling a "non-story."

Was Buzz bluffing?  Probably yes.  If the administration called his bluff, would Buzz be at SMU?  Maybe.  Calling this scenario a non-story is ludicrous.

[Dawson Rental]

Was Buzz bluffing?  Probably yes.  If the administration called his bluff, would Buzz be at SMU?  Maybe.  Calling this scenario a non-story is ludicrous.

Was Buzz bluffing?  Probably yes.

It's hard to see how Buzz was bluffing when he didn't initiate contact with anybody.

If the administration called his bluff, would Buzz be at SMU?  Maybe.

According to IBW; "I have learned that SMU has requested permission to speak with Buzz Williams, and Marquette has granted permission to SMU."
If that's true, then I don't see how anyone could say that Marquette didn't call Buzz's bluff.

IF Buzz was not happy would he really leave for SMU?  Last year showed him that if he ever wants to leave, he'll have far better options at just as high a salary by exercising a little patience.

Therefore, non-story.

[Goose]

From what I have heard MU called Buzz's bluff and basically said you are a big guy and you should do what is best for you and your family. If you think SMU is better place you should take the job. It is far from a non story because of the meaning behind the SMU discussions between Buzz and MU. Buzz knows he is in the drivers seat and why not wait for better gig next year if things do not improve.

I believe Buzz is going to do whatever he can to make next years team play at a very high level and bringing transfers or freshmen that can play is best option. Bringing in a one year transfer is not building a program and sole purpose to me is to prevent a decline next season.

Everyone can debate on who called the thing first but it really does not matter.

[SaintPaulWarrior]

How does it compare to Shakers?

Super clean vodka whose owners just recently filed for bankruptcy.

[warthog-driver]

So, who is right? Former MU football Coach Norm "Bad Breath" Killion?

http://www.hostedfootball.net/womens_football_camp/call_page.asp?page=PAST_COACHES&affiliation=HostedFootball&username=womens_football_camp

So who among us hath cast the first stone?

[Dawson Rental]

From what I have heard MU called Buzz's bluff and basically said you are a big guy and you should do what is best for you and your family. If you think SMU is better place you should take the job. It is far from a non story because of the meaning behind the SMU discussions between Buzz and MU. Buzz knows he is in the drivers seat and why not wait for better gig next year if things do not improve.

I believe Buzz is going to do whatever he can to make next years team play at a very high level and bringing transfers or freshmen that can play is best option. Bringing in a one year transfer is not building a program and sole purpose to me is to prevent a decline next season.

Everyone can debate on who called the thing first but it really does not matter.

So, what you're saying is that Buzz is definitely leaving, it's just a matter of when?  And the Lockett situation indicates that Buzz is no longer in program building mode, but instead is just plugging gaps until he leaves?

[warthog-driver]

There may be more to this than we know. The Jason King report is revealing.

[Goose]

LittleMurs
Staying for a year and off to the races. Unless miracle fence mending and I would bet my house he is gone in 11 months. The stalemate this year allows Buzz to get right job, not SMU, and MU knows they need a coach in a year.
So yes I think he is in win now for next year and not long term building. Seriously, unless missing link on NC team  why would you take a one year kid that is not a real one and done?