Scoop vs Scout

[jmayer1]

LittleMurs
Staying for a year and off to the races. Unless miracle fence mending and I would bet my house he is gone in 11 months. The stalemate this year allows Buzz to get right job, not SMU, and MU knows they need a coach in a year.
So yes I think he is in win now for next year and not long term building. Seriously, unless missing link on NC team  why would you take a one year kid that is not a real one and done?

I'll take that bet.

[Goose]

Jmayer
Take the bet with inside info or playing a hunch?

[madtownwarrior]

Great - we moved on from "Buzz maybe leaving this year" to "I am sure Buzz is leaving next year."

It's going to be a great year...

[warthog-driver]

Great - we moved on from "Buzz maybe leaving this year" to "I am sure Buzz is leaving next year."

It's going to be a great year...

Sounds like the reality had a lot more traction than we thought.

Anyhow, Brown is putting together a crew there. I think they will make a splash

[Goose]

Madtown
For argument sake assume my premise is correct. Wouldn't you rather have a year to put together search committee and do your homework than chase like Illinois and other schools did three weeks ago. If I am correct MU can attempt to do their homework and be prepared once season comes to an end next year. I think a back room deal for Buzz staying another year was not stupid idea, if indeed that happened.

If the parties really are at stalemate it was win- win for Buzz to stay another year. This story has and legs for months and think it has long life yet to come.

[warthog-driver]

Madtown
For argument sake assume my premise is correct. Wouldn't you rather have a year to put together search committee and do your homework than chase like Illinois and other schools did three weeks ago. If I am correct MU can attempt to do their homework and be prepared once season comes to an end next year. I think a back room deal for Buzz staying another year was not stupid idea, if indeed that happened.

If the parties really are at stalemate it was win- win for Buzz to stay another year. This story has and legs for months and think it has long life yet to come.

What is IWB reporting?

[jmayer1]

Jmayer
Take the bet with inside info or playing a hunch?

No inside info, I just think it's common sense. If the relationship is so broken that it's inevitable he'll leave next year, then one of the sides (either Buzz or MU) would have ended it this year.

[madtownwarrior]

I see some positive but don't like it - 1)  prefer Buzz to other coaches  2) team would still take a serious hit on recruits and transfers - hard to mitigate that, probably lose Wilson and Burton, still sets MU back 2 years

Madtown
For argument sake assume my premise is correct. Wouldn't you rather have a year to put together search committee and do your homework than chase like Illinois and other schools did three weeks ago. If I am correct MU can attempt to do their homework and be prepared once season comes to an end next year. I think a back room deal for Buzz staying another year was not stupid idea, if indeed that happened.

If the parties really are at stalemate it was win- win for Buzz to stay another year. This story has and legs for months and think it has long life yet to come.

[madtownwarrior]

and another reason come ot this board - zero talk of this as the Scout board - must have the clamps extra tight...

[Goose]

Madtown
Of course I also want Buzz here for long time and that is why I repeated myself the 100x you noted last month. At the time I thought it was serious issue, actually thought so as far as back last December, and wanted to make sure story had some legs. Losing Buzz, if he leaves, will be major, major, major blow to program. 4ever mentioned it and was laughed at for saying it but he is correct. A ton of things in play in this saga and hopefully a miracle can happen.

[warthog-driver]

and another reason come ot this board - zero talk of this as the Scout board - must have the clamps extra tight...

Dodds fancies himself a "journalist" and yet he fears the truth

[MUMac]

There may be more to this than we know. The Jason King report is revealing.

Bears out what IWB had said and you and the chorus here attacked.  Pretty pathetic, if you ask me.

[warthog-driver]

Bears out what IWB had said and you and the chorus here attacked.  Pretty pathetic, if you ask me.

I never attacked IWB's report. I mocked his "insider attitude." That attitude is very pathetic

[warthog-driver]

That is a fabulous beer.  Their Fixed Gear is also outstanding

Out of Rendezvous so I tried the Fixed Gear Red. Superb floral top notes with a caramel finish. I shall savor it again. Excellent swuggestion, MU03

[warthog-driver]

Quick look at the Scout board shows far less spirited debate on the burning issues being addressed here.

[AZWarrior]

Great - we moved on from "Buzz maybe leaving this year" to "I am sure Buzz is leaving next year."

It's going to be a great year...

Gonna be a long thread.

[AZWarrior]

Madtown
For argument sake assume my premise is correct. Wouldn't you rather have a year to put together search committee and do your homework than chase like Illinois and other schools did three weeks ago. If I am correct MU can attempt to do their homework and be prepared once season comes to an end next year. I think a back room deal for Buzz staying another year was not stupid idea, if indeed that happened.

If the parties really are at stalemate it was win- win for Buzz to stay another year. This story has and legs for months and think it has long life yet to come.

I conclude we have a year to get rid of our AD.

[wildbill sb]

Quick look at the Scout board shows far less spirited debate on the burning issues being addressed here.

I had burning issues once, and I addressed them.  Went to the doctor, he gave me a prescription, I took it, and everything's all right.........for now.

[Canadian Dimes]

Quick look at the Scout board shows far less spirited debate on the burning issues being addressed here.

Maybe that board is not so bad after all.  The paranoia and stupid ability to make a mountain out of a molehill out of dumb internet speculation is painful.
Again a christian school from Buzzs hometown asked to speak to him, how could he not listen.  All this stupid speculation only makes sense if he took the job

[Bocephys]

Maybe that board is not so bad after all.  The paranoia and stupid ability to make a mountain out of a molehill out of dumb internet speculation is painful.
Again a christian school from Buzzs hometown asked to speak to him, how could he not listen.  All this stupid speculation only makes sense if he took the job

It wouldn't really be speculation then, would it?

[warthog-driver]

All this stupid speculation only makes sense if he took the job

Perhaps. But it indicates the man is open to listening to offers. Something changed over the course of the past year.

[DoddsOnSports.com]

Not a member but if there is a major event I will check out what's going on. The leader of that board Dodds (sp?)   made me change my "Name" when he hijacked the Rivals board from Mike Juno. Said someone from CUSA told him to tell me. Kool Aid drinkers....

I fell off my chair when I read this. I have not thought of this in 10 yrs but if this is part of your 'list of grievances'....OK....You used to post under the name of 'Mike Slive'....and the CUSA offices and all CUSA college teams monitor the boards. Brian Teeter the Dep Commissioner called me and asked me if we would change your screen name because ..even though unlikely, "someone might think that the real Mike Slive was making the post."  I told him I could not change the screen name but I could ask the poster if he would change his 'handle'....I sent an email to you about it...explaining the situation and you agreed to change it. I thanked you and moved on. Never thought of it until I saw you post.

Now, why would I do this? Ego? Dodds is on a power trip? Or...did I view this as insignificant issue, esp after you agreed to change your name...and viewed Brian Teeter as a'go to source for info or background in CUSA?' ..a valuable source for info in the future?   

If changing your screen name was traumatic and you still think about it 10 yrs later...let's talk about it...because it sure must be a big deal to you.

BTW...I did not hijack the Rivals site...when Mike Juno moved his site from Geopcities to Alliance Sport, run by Jim Heckman in '99...I started my radio show on MU...and wanted to get it streamed. Mike introduced me to Heckman who agreed to give me a site for this. When Heckman was forced out in the dot com bubble of 2000...Alliance Sports went out of business...the survivor entity came out of bankruptcy.  I called Mike to combine forces...and it worked out well for 2 yrs...Mike the techie and hard working event guy...and me more of the historian pre '77....and I publicized the heck out of the site on my radio show and when I was a guest on Homer, WTMJ or the Score in Chi..

Why the break up?  I was at Summerfest in 2003 and got a call that we had a commitment from Kinsella and Amoroso. I headed back home to write about it when I saw a Nate Dogg post...basically saying..'Why did we go to the Final Four if we are going to settle for 2 white guys from Minn?'  Let's just say it was 10 paragraphs and more colorful.  I was mortified...because...these were oral commitments not signed LOI. What if the families came to the board and saw that MU student were a bunch of racists and wanted the players to go elsewhere? So I deleted it...and he reposted...and I deleted it...then Mike stepped in and wanted it up.  I called him at home...and a 2 hr conversation ensued. I wanted to report on recruiting but not impact it.  Mike wanted a free flow of ideas on the boards. I was 43 and more concerned about what could happen.  Mike was 22 and wanted more freedom of expression... Neither was wrong...or 100% right. So I said 'You buy me out or I buy you out but I do not want my name associated with a post like this.'...so Mike bought me out.  If we had known that Mike would move to Florida and phase out of the site, I would have bought him out...but that is how it went down...and Mike asked me to keep this issue confidential for 2 yrs...so I did..

I looked for another option...and learned that Jim Heckman had just founded Scout.com under a different business model. Instead of revenue from ads/hits...it was subscription revenue only. Rivals later followed this model.

I started the Scout site the day of the MU v UW game in Madison in Dec 2003...Other than the one night...Mike and I never disagreed about anything.  He is a great guy...and the story of how he started the Geocities site as a HS junior from a hospital bed while recovering from surgery is a great story...

So...no one hijacked any site from anyone. But I never realized how much you liked the 'Mike Slive' screen name. Why dont you use it now?

[DoddsOnSports.com]

Al once said, "If the waitresses have dirty ankles the food will be good." Somehow, I think Al would prefer the unbridled give and take of this board versus the sanctimonious drivel of Dodds'.

Al is the guy who stood on the scorer's table after a last second win over Wisconsin, inciting the Hughes twins father to flip him off. Al got into a fist fight with Toone at half time of the NCAA Cincy game. Ted Sorensen wrote in his biography of Bobby Kennedy that the only two white men who could safely walk the streets of Harlem and Bed Sty in the spring and summer of 68 were Bobby and Al. There was grit under his finger nails, a never back down fierceness developed during his teens leaping over the bar in his father's joint to take on a nasty drunk. That attitude is what permeates this site, gives it its personae, adds color, and defines its character. There was an edge to Al and that is very much evident here.

Dodds site is Ward Cleaver who only boned June every fourth Saturday. It is Country Club Republican with an affected politeness, a veneer of civility trying desperately to mask deep seated jealousies, hatreds, rivalries, and psychoses. Marquette Hoops is white bread, milk toast, roast chicken on Sundays after Mass. It has all the honesty of Gibson Martinis made with no-name hooch dispensed from a Grey Goose bottle.  Dodds pretends to be a hard hitting journalist dispensing insight and honesty. He delivers neither. He likens his editorial policies to Joe Stalin and in a way he is right - I will only accept what I agree with. And yet, he lacks Stalin's balls. Stalin allowed his minions to play themselves out against each other in a virtual Hegelian dialectic in order to arrive at the best decision.

I very much prefer Scoop. It has warts, it has battle scars, and it has Chicos flying under a Nom de Cyber but it most genuinely reflects the spirit that was Al.

That is a creative post......Funny, you start a radio show and stream it over a website when you are 39..the website becomes a recruiting site....and 13 yrs later you somehow have become the old fogy establishment.  I am trying to figure out what yr this happened.  "sanctimonious drivel?'  No, I am married now...so I have a wife who can help me clean up.

I can identify with Ward....it is hard to be the dad....and Wally and Beaver might not be the best dressed kids in Mayfield...but June and I try. 

You don't have to agree with me on our MUHoops board...heck...Murf has been posting for yrs...I don't agree with him.  But I do have more rules of conduct...I think it is because my name is on the site.  It makes you more responsible.  There is a lot of "key board courage" out there...and it is fun to post anything at anytime...

I think MU Hilltopper does a great job here...in fact I tried to hire him at our site when he left Rivals....I would guess if moderators marketed this site using their real names...and people knew who they were...there would be more limits.....maybe not....

The Stalin thing is overblown...my philosophy is to report on the program...not impact it by influencing future events.   It is a tough line to keep...and I am not perfect at it...and I make mistakes no question...but it is a hobby...I sell life insurance to pay the bills. MU basketball and GB Packer FB are my passions.  In business, when we are done with estate planning and succession issues, I talk MU basketball with MU fans. With my UW clients, I talk Packers....or what Badger FB player will be in the draft. I have worked at 600+ MU home games and 352 GB games[yes..like Buzz, I keep track.]...I try to bring more historical context...and I don't get excited over games or rumors as much as some do.  Why? Because I have seen it before...does that make me Zeus on Mt Olympus or just old? You be the judge.

A few yrs ago, a member of our student staff heard from a student manager and then from the player himself that that player was going to transfer.  He wanted to put it up on the board. I held off...because I saw the same thing happen when I was a student.  A player hated the coach and wanted out. But I saw first hand that D-1 hoops is 6 mos cluster stoop[as Dennis Miller would say]...with pressures on players...coaches...and you have to be careful with rumors.  The player did not leave...and called the coach he hated...'a second father to me' at the yr end basketball banquet.

Unlike Stalin...I guess I did not have the balls to kill 10 million people. So...I guess you are right. 'Mr Dodds...you are no Joe Stalin.' It is a charade.

I sense reading your posts in this thread...if this were the 1820s...you would be happiest as a fur trader out in the wilderness....where you can shoot at anything that moves without fear of limits...other than an occasional arrow.

I am a MU basketball fan...have a passion for MU hoops...began watching it in '65....worked at Rick Majerus camps in HS...at the end of my Sr yr at MUHS, Rick called me " the least athletic 6-6 post player I have ever seen...but you worked at my inner city camps for 2 yrs without getting paid. What can I do for you?'   He got me the job in Sports Info even though I was a business major. I owe it all to Rick.

My dad was from Des Moines and attended MU on a hoops scholarship in 1947...but he blew his knee..lost his schollie...and went into coaching at MUHS '55-61 and Tosa East '66-73....he had 2 players who attended MU...Bob Hornak and Ace Vollmer...so I have heard MU stories post WWII. So I don't think Buzz sucks losing to SH on their Sr Night. If this is not hard hitting enough for you...I can live with that...

We all have battle scars and warts...not really sure about 'a virtual Hegelian dialect'....it sounds bad....

Time to go.......I have to leave my job here at the old salt mines...Wally and I are going to the big game with Fred Rutherford and his son Clarence. Take care. Go MU!

JD from MU Hoops.com

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Why? Because I have seen it before...does that make me Zeus on Mt Olympus or just old? You be the judge.

Really good roller coaster in the Dells.

[warthog-driver]

Ward Cleaver or Al? You choose