alleged sexual assault investigation of 4 on 1 by public saftey

[Ari Gold]

So, based on your sources, is this just all about something that was "said"? Because that would be a huuuuge relief.

I agree, we've all said stupid things, especially at a party and/or while drunk.

yeah
Notice how little has been said of this story after the initial report? A half decent investigative reporter that doesnt ask some jackass student on the street what they think may have seen the MU Public Safety reports and been able to determine the story had peaked. Everything I understand indicates that this is more "harassment" than "assault"

[MUMac]

what's the assumption? that from a PR standpoint it looks bad to have athletes represented at an in house MU investigation by the area's most prominent and wealthy defense attorney who also is an MU athletics booster? thats not assumption. thats just how it looks to every non-MU human being on the planet at first glance.

No, the leap to an NCAA violation that was made by the poster.  That MU may have done it thinking it would not get out in the public eye, thusly "getting away" with something.  Then saying it stinks.  Sorry, but without facts, that's quite an indicting comment that was made.  And yes, without any supportive fact to level an accusation.

The premise of his post had NOTHING to do with the PR aspect.  Did you even read the post?

[TallTitan34]

The athletic department knows what is and what isn't a NCAA violation.  If Boyle was involved it wasn't a violation.  They know what they are doing.

[ringout]

You do realize that there are plenty of other men on the Marquette campus that treat women like absolute garbage as well, right?  It's a problem that's not just confined to athletes (if it's even basketball players we're talking about here), but a lot of males on any college campus. 

Nothing slimier than a college age male.

[MUMac]

The athletic department knows what is and what isn't a NCAA violation.  If Boyle was involved it wasn't a violation.  They know what they are doing.

Exactly.  That is why that comment - in a couple of posts, no less, was mind boggling. 

[Warriors10]

Nothing slimier than a college age male.

Hmmm...Tom Crean

[cheebs09]

The athletic department knows what is and what isn't a NCAA violation.  If Boyle was involved it wasn't a violation.  They know what they are doing.

Completely agree. We have to have some faith in the athletic department. I would hope they would have a much better idea of what is and what isn't a violation than we would.

I'm hopeful that at worst it is some form of harassment (not saying that should be condoned or anything, but I think a lot of us went straight to the worst case scenario). Like Ari said, if this thing had any legs, it would be a much bigger deal by now. If it was something real bad, then I feel that something would have leaked to the media throughout the 5 months. Honestly, I'm surprised even if it is nothing that something hadn't been leaked to the media through the 5 months.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Hmmm...Tom Crean

Hmmm...Tom Crean.  Fixed.

[MUBurrow]

No, the leap to an NCAA violation that was made by the poster.  That MU may have done it thinking it would not get out in the public eye, thusly "getting away" with something.  Then saying it stinks.  Sorry, but without facts, that's quite an indicting comment that was made.  And yes, without any supportive fact to level an accusation.

The premise of his post had NOTHING to do with the PR aspect.  Did you even read the post?

kum see kum sah. the post you directly responded to didnt explicitly mention NCAA violations either. it just said that it would have made sense for Boyle to be a little less direct in the involvement of the whole thing. I merely agreed that it certainly stinks at first glance - i read stinks to mean it just doesnt smell right.  
I also agreed that I find it likely that if Boyle had to be paid to not be a violation, the guys wouldn't have been able or willing to afford his retainer for an insular MU investigation.  Most here are right to point out though that the threshold for a violation is whether he can do it for free or not. I doubt Boyle would even have taken the case from the guys for pay, because you'd just be inviting an overly thorough investigation of his billing practices as it relates to the matter.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Nothing slimier than a college age male.

You guys are all making the assumption that whoever made the allegation had all her faculties. By the same token as "Nothing slimier than a college age male" you can also say, "There is nothing nuttier than a (college age) female."

Some of you need to REALLY get a grip! This is a nothing story!

[Tom Crean's Tanning Bed]

The last news article about this story appears to have come out 17 hours ago.  While I wouldn't discount the story completely dying, it seems to me if Ari's info is correct, then this is going to maybe devolve from a major Milwaukee news story to an oddball Deadspin story sooner than we think.  

It also seems that some of the major Milwaukee media guys I would suspect to jump at a story like this (Mark Belling and WSSP guys) have poo-pooed this so far.  Should be interesting to watch the news cycle the next day or two and how these types report on this (if at all).

[ChicosBailBonds]

I've spoken to some sources in local media and I have been able to find out some information on this event.

In all honesty, this story seems like it has been blown way out of proportion because/therefore people are expecting the worst. Think disney version of Duke LaX

 Yes I know there are people on this board who have daughters and think that "boys will be boys" is a terrible way to put things, but remember we were all college guys once and we've all said some stupid things that we thought were funny at the time.

As for Boyle's presence- I thought MU kept him on retainer and would rep MU players regardless. A traffic ticket or off campus incident.. Boyle would still be involved.

rocky's edit - judicial removal of "rumors" from "media sources".

Unfortunately or fortunately, (depending how you view things) the world is a way different place.  One person's joke is another person's harassment. 

A lot of what I'm hearing concurs with what one of the reports said last night...not sexual assault but yes a violation of harassment policy.  Certainly a better conclusion if this is what comes to pass.  Doesn't make it right, but agree also that we say stupid things.  Hate hearing that their names are on the incident report, bad for the university. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

You guys are all making the assumption that whoever made the allegation had all her faculties. By the same token as "Nothing slimier than a college age male" you can also say, "There is nothing nuttier than a (college age) female."

Some of you need to REALLY get a grip! This is a nothing story!

Unfortunately the Milwaukee press disagree as it was one of the top stories on the newscasts last night.  "Nothing story" may be right in reality, but perception often trumps that.  Unfortunate that it came to this and the young woman, DPS, MU, etc couldn't keep the investigation private.  She (or her family) obviously doesn't feel that enough progress was made.  This is also why I brought up the "do you have daughters" comment yesterday.  Fathers of their "precious little girls" sometimes push very hard on this stuff and don't often think their daughters could ever possibly be in a state where all her faculties were blurred or dulled in some fashion.  Also a reality among some folks.  Not saying that is in play here but who knows.  We've all seen parents that believe their child never did anything wrong EVER and will fight the principal, the coach, the administrator at every turn. 

[Horace]

Edit; Changed my mind  . . .

[reinko]

Edit; Changed my mind  . . .

Oh c'mon, let's us be the judge of that.  You can do it.

[TallTitan34]

Edit; Changed my mind  . . .

Wise choice.

[tower912]

When this is over, assuming there are no charges filed, I have the most inappropriate joke ever.    Driving me nuts, but to use it now would be just plain wrong.    So, again, let justice be done. 

[Benny B]

You guys are all making the assumption that whoever made the allegation had all her faculties. By the same token as "Nothing slimier than a college age male" you can also say, "There is nothing nuttier than a (college age) female who hangs around college basketball/football players."

Some of you need to REALLY get a grip! This is a nothing story!

Fixed.

[Warrior3211]

This story broke via the Journal Sentinel. How has a thread for this news not been started? It happened last October and the girl is just now reporting it.  Obviously the most likely suspects are members of the basketball team since they all live in Humphrey Hall.  Also, did the girl wait until basketball season was over to release the information?

[spacecrusader]

See the Superbar

[jesmu84]

Hate hearing that their names are on the incident report, bad for the university. 

Where did you find this incident report? Is it a public document?

[rocky_warrior]

This story broke via the Journal Sentinel. How has a thread for this news not been started? It happened last October and the girl is just now reporting it.  Obviously the most likely suspects are members of the basketball team since they all live in Humphrey Hall.  Also, did the girl wait until basketball season was over to release the information?

Merged it with the existing thread.  Also, removed names from your post, as that's inappropriate speculation at this point.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Where did you find this incident report? Is it a public document?

any time public safety investigages there's going to be an incident report.  I probably have 15 on file somewhere.  doesn't mean that I committed any crimes.

[TallTitan34]

Once at Carpenter Hall we had a penny war between the floors.  The third floor (an all girls floor who we disliked) won it and I told them it was easy to win a penny war when your floor is filled with 2 cent whores!  

I found out that counts as a hate crime.  Oops!  

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Once at Carpenter Hall we had a penny war between the floors.  The third floor (an all girls floor who we disliked) won it and I told them it was easy to win a penny war when your floor is filled with 2 cent whores!  

I found out that counts as a hate crime.  Oops!  

Careful, I have a daughter.