Oso planning to go pro
By the way, there are a number that aren’t publicly defending the actions but have already PM’d me saying what he did was perfectly fine, they just don’t want to get called out by the mob here that will judge them and sentence them to Dante’s inferno. Up to them if they wish to state it, but I suspect most will not because it isn’t worth the attacks. My two cents.The way past prominent people are vilified by some here for actions they took years ago, I’m a little surprised by the silence. At any rate, I loved Al, enjoyed working with him, he was not perfect nor are any of us. He did something that I don’t think was a big deal, others disagree. That’s fine...we just disagree. I do find it odd how outraged some get when others do it, but how church mouse quiet the outrage is with our own...but ok.
Uhm, I think you missed the linkage. Let me help500 economists said so in a study, thus it must be trueA child psychologist said so in a study, so it must be true.Coach K says players should be paid for their likeness, so it must be true.
Al rolling around the locker room with talented but immature Bernard Toone happened more than 42 years ago. Not Al's finest moment by a long shot, but that sort of stuff wasn't uncommon in 1977 and was met with a shrug or even a smile back then. I actually agree with you that those who don't view this sort of thing in context are unfair and dead wrong. Corporal punishment - by parents, teachers, coaches, etc., - was viewed differently and it's not fair to brand people based on today's standards.That said, today's standards are much better for all involved - adults and children. Anybody who doesn't believe that is romanticizing or justifying behavior that isn't acceptable any more. Today (thankfully) that kind of stuff is just wrong.
This sums it up quite well. We can romanticize Al while still admitting there is no place for behavior like that in today’s world. The two are not mutually exclusive.
I guess there is a group that thinks unicorns, gumdrops and rainbows are right around the corner.
Agreed. The biggest problem today is that we do not burn enough suspected witches at the stake.
That’s fair...for the most part. Glad you semi-allowed for the actions by implicating Toone’s immaturity as a reason why Al did what he did. In the end, Al gets a pass from me. I think his intent was just. And yes, I think there are situations today that would also allow for it. We will agree to disagree. For you old timers, you got a natty because of his actions...per comments from the team, and Al. Maybe some of you think it is tainted. I don’t. Sometimes nothing else works, and HOLY CRAP just got real moment gets everyone pointed in the same direction. Glad he did it. Glad to have known him. I’m sure he regrets some of the hitting incident, but his intent was true.God Bless AlGo Warriors
I wasn't alive for Al's championship. Or this incident.But I was hoping you could clarify your position. If your son or daughter was punched in the face by a coach, even in the event that it was to try and inspire/"fire up" the team/player, you'd be okay with that?Is intent the only thing that matters? Ends justify the means?
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If as Bernard Toone stated, it was understood between him and Al what the purpose of it was...that would weigh into. It would depend who the coach is, what I know of the coach, etc.My daughter...no. Double standards exist...yup...been saying that forever and just another example.If it were my son, it depends.I would want my his input. Why, what, how, etc. Was it a “punch”, was it a slap? Was it pushing up against the lockers? How well do I know the coach. What was the intent? Etc. My default answer would be super pissed and likely go after him administratively.But, let’s say he says “Dad, I deserved it. I was immature (Lenny’s words) and I made a comment about coach that was hardcore, incredibly incendiary and wrong. I get why he did it, we are good now...coach and I have buried the hatchet”. Would that make a difference in my evaluation? Yes
Indeed.Liar
I’m sorry, what am I lying about?
That you would be OK if an authority figure punched your son in the face. Your caveat was ridiculous and simply wouldn't happen. You might as well have said, "I'd be OK with a unicorn punching my son in the face."You admitting you have a double-standard about your daughter, that actually was refreshing.
See above as I edited response. And not ridiculous, in fact what I said is what essentially happened with Toone and Al. You can read his own words or the words or Majerus, Al, etc. God Bless Al, Bernard, cool heads prevailing, common sense, and America.
The only situation in which cooler heads would have prevailed is if the coach didn't punch your kid in the face.You would sue the school -- I 100% don't believe you if you say you wouldn't -- and you would win the lawsuit..And if you were too stupid to sue the school, the coach would be fired anyway. As he should be.Short of the kid punching the coach in the face first, there is no acceptable reason for the coach to punch the kid. And you know it. You are just hoopaloopin' -- arguing for the sake of arguing.
If my son said all was good, I absolutely would not sue. I would trust my son’s response and leave it at that. Besides, Toone was an adult and using that same parallel it would be up to my son to make that decision, not me...he has the legal claim, not I.
It's a dopey hypothetical, a ridiculous scenario that would not happen today.And the school would fire the coach even if you were too cowed by the coach's greatness to sue.Besides that, I don't believe you, and I doubt anybody else does either. You are not credible.And if you wouldn't accept a coach punching your daughter in the face for the exact same ridiculous scenario, you are a sexist, too.
I am a sexist then, in the way you described. I believe no one should ever hit a woman, period. I have double standards there, which I admitted. Guilty as charged.Do not care if you believe me, but I wouldn’t sue necessarily. Depends on the situation and who did it, why, etc. Should Bernard Toone sue MU and the McGuire estate?
It's not 1977 any more, pal. Assault is no longer considered "motivation" or "inspiration." It's assault, and illegal actions have consequences.I know you long for the good old days when an authority figure could punch, kick, choke and bully the young men under his charge, but alas, welcome to 2019.