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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Litehouse on February 01, 2016, 12:31:58 PM
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There have been a lot of posts lately speculating on a potential grad transfer PF for next year if Henry leaves. I went through the current list of top 100 rebounders to see if there were any that fit the profile, and these are the only ones that look like potential options. I have no idea if any of them are actually considering transferring, they just fit the profile of 3 years of eligibility over 4 years to make it more likely to be graduating this spring. Other players could also graduate in 3 years and be possibilities. Overall, I think the take-away is that there aren't that many potential grad transfer PFs out there.
Brian Pegg - Stetson
9.7 RPG
He's technically listed as a G at 6-7 205, but he just had 13 pts & 12 reb against us.
Jordan Tolbert - SMU
9.4 RPG
He transferred from Texas Tech to SMU, and is originally from Ft. Worth, so he might not want to leave.
Brett Bisping - Siena
9.3 RPG
From Peoria, IL, listed at 6-8 238, averaging 15.7 ppg
Marcel Boyd - Howard
8.8 RPG
Listed at 6-10 230, from Maryland, averaging 9.8 ppg
Nate Kratch - Santa Clara
8.7 RPG
Listed at 6-6 227, from Watertown, MN, he might not look like a banger, but 10.3 ppg & 8.7 rpg is still pretty good.
Bola Olaniyan - Southern Illinois
8.2 RPG
Listed at 6-7 220, from Nigeria, 7.3 ppg, he might profile as more of the banger people have been looking for.
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There have been a lot of posts lately speculating on a potential grad transfer PF for next year if Henry leaves. I went through the current list of top 100 rebounders to see if there were any that fit the profile, and these are the only ones that look like potential options. I have no idea if any of them are actually considering transferring, they just fit the profile of 3 years of eligibility over 4 years to make it more likely to be graduating this spring. Other players could also graduate in 3 years and be possibilities. Overall, I think the take-away is that there aren't that many potential grad transfer PFs out there.
Brian Pegg - Stetson
9.7 RPG
He's technically listed as a G at 6-7 205, but he just had 13 pts & 12 reb against us.
Jordan Tolbert - SMU
9.4 RPG
He transferred from Texas Tech to SMU, and is originally from Ft. Worth, so he might not want to leave.
Brett Bisping - Sienna
9.3 RPG
From Peoria, IL, listed at 6-8 238, averaging 15.7 ppg
Marcel Boyd - Howard
8.8 RPG
Listed at 6-10 230, from Maryland, averaging 9.8 ppg
Nate Kratch - Santa Clara
8.7 RPG
Listed at 6-6 227, from Watertown, MN, he might not look like a banger, but 10.3 ppg & 8.7 rpg is still pretty good.
Bola Olaniyan - Southern Illinois
8.2 RPG
Listed at 6-7 220, from Nigeria, 7.3 ppg, he might profile as more of the banger people have been looking for.
Thanks for doing this analysis. Will keep an eye on each.
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A few more names worth watching, Jaron Blossomgame from Clemson, Jimmy Hall from Kent State, and Davante Gardner clone RJ White from UNC-Greensboro.
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Though the likely best-possible grad transfer PF is one we couldn't take. Jalen Reynolds from Xavier is a redshirt junior.
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A few more names worth watching, Jaron Blossomgame from Clemson, Jimmy Hall from Kent State, and Davante Gardner clone RJ White from UNC-Greensboro.
Jimmy Hall from Kent State would be my absolute first choice.
A tough kid, rebounder, but also a nice touch.
What I also like is that he owned up to a real bad mistake and is now a solid B student and on track to graduate.
Seems like a stand up young man that has turned an incredibly bad negative into a life changing positive event.
And he's a beast on the boards.
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Jimmy Hall from Kent State would be my absolute first choice.
What I also like is that he owned up to a real bad mistake.
Now this kid looks exciting & Buzz type recruit (16 & 8) after watching some film.
What did he do off the court ?
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Now this kid looks exciting & Buzz type recruit (16 & 8) after watching some film.
What did he do off the court ?
Allegedly stole some computers.
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Some articles on Jimmy Hall...
http://nypost.com/2016/01/25/booted-for-theft-hoops-star-needed-2nd-chance-and-found-kent-st/
http://www.nycbuckets.com/2015/03/the-re-education-of-jimmy-hall/
Looks like he'd be a great fit, but it sounds like he might feel some allegiance to Kent State for taking a chance on him.
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Allegedly stole some computers.
Hey, it worked for Cam Newton
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Looks like he'd be a great fit
I'm not sure about great fit with how Wojo wants to run a program:
"Hall, a 6-foot-7 forward from Brooklyn, was averaging 12.7 points and a team-leading 9.4 rebounds per game when he was arrested along with Hofstra teammates Shaquille Stokes, Dallas Anglin and Kentrell Washington in late November of 2012 on felony burglary charges stemming from dormitory room break-ins. The players were charged in six burglaries that occurred between Oct. 4 and Nov. 5, and were suspected in many others starting at the beginning of the semester. The thefts included laptop computers, IPads, IPhones and cash"
Love the kids on court talent & frame though
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I'm not sure about great fit with how Wojo wants to run a program:
"Hall, a 6-foot-7 forward from Brooklyn, was averaging 12.7 points and a team-leading 9.4 rebounds per game when he was arrested along with Hofstra teammates Shaquille Stokes, Dallas Anglin and Kentrell Washington in late November of 2012 on felony burglary charges stemming from dormitory room break-ins. The players were charged in six burglaries that occurred between Oct. 4 and Nov. 5, and were suspected in many others starting at the beginning of the semester. The thefts included laptop computers, IPads, IPhones and cash"
Love the kids on court talent & frame though
But this fits in with wojo:
"Hall has been a model student-athlete, Senderoff said, on pace to graduate next year, posting a 3.0 GPA. He has plenty of support, a serious girlfriend and his mother and his younger sister have moved into the area."
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Some articles on Jimmy Hall...
http://nypost.com/2016/01/25/booted-for-theft-hoops-star-needed-2nd-chance-and-found-kent-st/
http://www.nycbuckets.com/2015/03/the-re-education-of-jimmy-hall/
Looks like he'd be a great fit, but it sounds like he might feel some allegiance to Kent State for taking a chance on him.
Who knew Kent State was a squirmy, "just win baby" kind of program? Fortunately we here at Duke North won't have to dirty our hands with the likes of him!
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Who knew Kent State was a squirmy, "just win baby" kind of program? Fortunately we here at Duke North won't have to dirty our hands with the likes of him!
So your saying we dont have to worry about getting another
"Stretch" Gregory
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1368&dat=19810224&id=p35QAAAAIBAJ&sjid=CRIEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5018,4434548&hl=en
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In a perfect world, I think Blossomgame would be the ideal fit. If Henry leaves, we would need someone who can grab boards and also could use a go-to scorer. He fits both of those roles while also being able to nail the three. That said, he'd draw the kind of interest Damion Lee or Shonn Miller did, so it'd be a tough, tough get.
I'm also a fan of Bola Olaniyan. Kid just cleans up the glass on both ends.
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In a perfect world, I think Blossomgame would be the ideal fit. If Henry leaves, we would need someone who can grab boards and also could use a go-to scorer. He fits both of those roles while also being able to nail the three. That said, he'd draw the kind of interest Damion Lee or Shonn Miller did, so it'd be a tough, tough get.
I'm also a fan of Bola Olaniyan. Kid just cleans up the glass on both ends.
Yeah, if we had some magic genie who said we could have anyone we wanted it would have to be Blossomgame. He's a stud.
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I hear that Dwight Howard kid didn't use up any of his college eligibility. He is a little immature, though.
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There was some talk about eliminating the grad transfer rule. Has anything changed regarding this?
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There was some talk about eliminating the grad transfer rule. Has anything changed regarding this?
No. Still in effect.
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Jimmy Hall from Kent State would be my absolute first choice.
A tough kid, rebounder, but also a nice touch.
What I also like is that he owned up to a real bad mistake and is now a solid B student and on track to graduate.
Seems like a stand up young man that has turned an incredibly bad negative into a life changing positive event.
And he's a beast on the boards.
I thought that we were looking for someone to step in next year (replacing HE), not a guy to sit out a transfer year. so on track to graduate next year don't cut it.
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I thought that we were looking for someone to step in next year (replacing HE), not a guy to sit out a transfer year. so on track to graduate next year don't cut it.
Jimmy is a fourth year junior. From what I've heard, on track to graduate this year.
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A few more names worth watching, Jaron Blossomgame from Clemson, Jimmy Hall from Kent State, and Davante Gardner clone RJ White from UNC-Greensboro.
I think there is a better chance Blossomgame goes to the NBA than Marquette next year, but if we could somehow get him, Damn!!
I think swapping in Blossomgame for HE would be at worst a wash.
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Jimmy is a fourth year junior. From what I've heard, on track to graduate this year.
Thanks for clarifying
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I think there is a better chance Blossomgame goes to the NBA than Marquette next year, but if we could somehow get him, Damn!!
I think swapping in Blossomgame for HE would be at worst a wash.
Definitely will be an improvement from Hank this year.
But I'd take a sophmore Hank if I had the choice.
Blossomgame would be awesome though
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Definitely will be an improvement from Hank this year.
But I'd take a sophmore Hank if I had the choice.
Blossomgame would be awesome though
Wojo could try to sell him by looking at how they used Henry.
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I think there is a better chance Blossomgame goes to the NBA than Marquette next year, but if we could somehow get him, Damn!!
I think swapping in Blossomgame for HE would be at worst a wash.
I would agree with all of this. That said, while I think he would fit into our team perfectly, I would be shocked if he had any interest in Marquette. If Wojo could land Blossomgame, it would seriously be his greatest recruiting success by leaps and bounds. No other recruit he landed would come close from an accomplishment standpoint.
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I hear that Dwight Howard kid didn't use up any of his college eligibility. He is a little immature, though.
While we're at it....does Gary Woodland of the PGA Tour have any college eligibility left? Dude can throw down ridiculous dunks....
and those 350 yard fairway smart bombs would do wonders for the big donors at Bo Ellis's Lake Geneva golf outing!! :-)
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While we're at it....does Gary Woodland of the PGA Tour have any college eligibility left? Dude can throw down ridiculous dunks....
and those 350 yard fairway smart bombs would do wonders for the big donors at Bo Ellis's Lake Geneva golf outing!! :-)
I got to play golf with Gary when I was at Cally hq. The noise the ball made when he hit it gave me chills. And he's pretty cool as a person too.
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I think there is a better chance Blossomgame goes to the NBA than Marquette next year, but if we could somehow get him, Damn!!
I think swapping in Blossomgame for HE would be at worst a wash.
He filed papers today for the NBA draft
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Here's an interesting name: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2015/11/15/princeton-forward-hans-brase-to-miss-basketball-season/75823122/
As I understand the Ivy League, graduate students are not allowed to participate in athletics. Meaning if Brase graduated (no reason to assume he didn't) he would be forced to transfer if he wanted to continue playing basketball. He's 6-8 230 and averaged 11.5 and 7.5 in his junior season to go along with 51 3PM on 35% 3P shooting. Definitely a step up from the Ivy league to the Big East but Princeton is a good team.
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What about Stefan Jankovic from Hawaii? They were talking during the Hawaii Maryland game about Hawaii's sanctions for next year, and how it might drive eligible players like Jankovic to transfer.
6'11"
15.7 points
6.6 boards
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What about Stefan Jankovic from Hawaii? They were talking during the Hawaii Maryland game about Hawaii's sanctions for next year, and how it might drive eligible players like Jankovic to transfer.
6'11"
15.7 points
6.6 boards
If he goes, he will be one of the most sought after transfers this offseason. Would love to grab him.
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Brandon Sherrod from Yale.
Don't think he can play at Yale next year since he is likely graduating.
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But really, if Sherrod and Brase didn't have the grades to make it at Marquette the first time around, what makes anybody think they could get accepted now?
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He filed papers today for the NBA draft
True. But hasn't hired an agent and can come back. Scouts not liking that he's an undersized 4 from what I've heard through the grapevine. He's testing the waters. I'd say hes 50/50 at best.
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Patrick Steeves is graduating from Harvard and thus is ineligible to play for them next season. He has announced that he intends to play basketball next season. He's 6"7 220 so he has the size to play PF but is not a great rebounder only averaged 3.8 rebounds in 23 minutes of work. Part of that is because he is a stretch 4 and shot a very nice 46% from three. Don't think he's what we are looking for to replace HE Man but could add some depth.
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If he doesn't rebound well for his height, he'll fit right in.
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What about Stefan Jankovic from Hawaii? They were talking during the Hawaii Maryland game about Hawaii's sanctions for next year, and how it might drive eligible players like Jankovic to transfer.
6'11"
15.7 points
6.6 boards
Hawaii to Milwaukee would be a real kick in the groin. With that said, sign me up :)
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What about Stefan Jankovic from Hawaii? They were talking during the Hawaii Maryland game about Hawaii's sanctions for next year, and how it might drive eligible players like Jankovic to transfer.
6'11"
15.7 points
6.6 boards
He already transferred once from Missouri and was granted an exemption from sitting out a year (I'm guessing because of sanctions?), would they really allow it a second time.
I would assume he can't graduate after only 3 years total at two different schools.
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Hawaii to Milwaukee would be a real kick in the groin. With that said, sign me up :)
Milwaukee has better Serbian restaurants.
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Savin Goodman -AZ state - 6'6 220
Undersized but tough PF who averaged 10 and 6. Stan Johnson connection
Darion Clark - USC - 6'7 220lbs
Described as an athletic defender and rebounder. Averaged 3 and 5 this past season. But the previous year he averaged 6 and 6. Played HS ball at oak hill and played freshman year at Charlotte.
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He already transferred once from Missouri and was granted an exemption from sitting out a year (I'm guessing because of sanctions?), would they really allow it a second time.
I would assume he can't graduate after only 3 years total at two different schools.
He redshirtted his freshman year at Mizzou. He's been in school for four years. Don't know for sure that he is graduating, but I would imagine so.
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UNLV sophomore F (6'8" - 210) Dwayne Morgan will transfer. Not a great shooter but he's super athletic and was a top recruit coming out of high school. Another of Dave Rice's high recruits who didn't develop in his two years at UNLV.
247 - 4* - Rankings: National #23 - SF #5 - Maryland #1
Might not be a fit at this time for MU.
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An unlikely name but I'll throw it out there. Kale Ambrahamson from Drake. 6"8 221. Averaged 11.1 ppg and 3.8 rpg while shooting 35% from beyond the arc. Again, not the rebounder we are looking for but brings some size and some outside shooting.
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Patrick Steeves is graduating from Harvard and thus is ineligible to play for them next season. He has announced that he intends to play basketball next season. He's 6"7 220 so he has the size to play PF but is not a great rebounder only averaged 3.8 rebounds in 23 minutes of work. Part of that is because he is a stretch 4 and shot a very nice 46% from three. Don't think he's what we are looking for to replace HE Man but could add some depth.
I'd love it if we could find room for Steeves. I know he might not be exactly what we are looking for, but he's got one of the best comeback stories of the year.
http://onlyagame.wbur.org/2016/01/30/patrick-steeves-harvard-basketball
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I'd love it if we could find room for Steeves. I know he might not be exactly what we are looking for, but he's got one of the best comeback stories of the year.
http://onlyagame.wbur.org/2016/01/30/patrick-steeves-harvard-basketball
I didn't know that about him. Since he missed three seasons due to injury, would he be eligible for the Chris Otule plan? Seems like the kid deserves another year of eligibility.
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If he doesn't rebound well for his height, he'll fit right in.
No sh*t :) Well played.
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I know these aren't Grad Transfers but I thought it worth noting that the UWM program is in total meltdown. I'm blaming the AD. I hope these kids find a nice role somewhere. I'd get the heck out of dodge too.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/panthers/3-top-uwm-players-considering-leaving-team-b99693324z1-373273901.html
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I know these aren't Grad Transfers but I thought it worth noting that the UWM program is in total meltdown. I'm blaming the AD. I hope these kids find a nice role somewhere. I'd get the heck out of dodge too.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/panthers/3-top-uwm-players-considering-leaving-team-b99693324z1-373273901.html
Article states that all Horizon League schools and Marquette are on the no-transfer list. One of the players speculated it might be because we are in talks to play them.
That said, Springs is a guy I wouldn't mind adding, though it sounds like he and Johnson (high school teammates too) might be a package deal
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I know these aren't Grad Transfers but I thought it worth noting that the UWM program is in total meltdown. I'm blaming the AD. I hope these kids find a nice role somewhere. I'd get the heck out of dodge too.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/panthers/3-top-uwm-players-considering-leaving-team-b99693324z1-373273901.html
Arias Austin is a grad transfer. 6"6 200 wing. 11.4 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 35% 3P shooting. Not what we are looking for, but could have probably scraped out some minutes for us off the bench.
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Article states that all Horizon League schools and Marquette are on the no-transfer list. One of the players speculated it might be because we are in talks to play them.
That said, Springs is a guy I wouldn't mind adding, though it sounds like he and Johnson (high school teammates too) might be a package deal
I don't buy that "talks to play them" theory at all. This is nothing but spite on the part of UWM. They're upset because of Lovell and because we refuse to play them on their court. Feel like Springs would be a good fit, if a bit undersized.
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Article states that all Horizon League schools and Marquette are on the no-transfer list. One of the players speculated it might be because we are in talks to play them.
That said, Springs is a guy I wouldn't mind adding, though it sounds like he and Johnson (high school teammates too) might be a package deal
I may be wrong, but I don't think coaches can restrict graduate transfers.
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I may be wrong, but I don't think coaches can restrict graduate transfers.
I would bet you're correct here. Can't imagine that withstanding NCAA scrutiny if a student wanted to enroll in a Master's Program the at the new school that the first school didn't offer.
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Are they really upset about Lovell? It was two years ago and Lovell has done a lot to reach out to UWM as President at MU.
This is all about basketball in Milwaukee and UWM's perceived standing. That's it.
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Are they really upset about Lovell? It was two years ago and Lovell has done a lot to reach out to UWM as President at MU.
This is all about basketball in Milwaukee and UWM's perceived standing. That's it.
I think it's UWM's standing and feeling like the little brother in the city despite having Milwaukee in their name and a larger student base. I think us poaching Lovell, pretty much at the whim of Shaka Smart, still irks them because we were essentially able to use them as a farm club.
That said, I don't believe they can restrict grad transfers, so I almost want Marquette to go for Springs just to spite Milwaukee ;D
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Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN 1h1 hour ago
Florida A&M grad transfer Malcolm Bernard has gotten his release. Finally. Averaged 14 points, 7 boards, 4 assists this past season.
http://www.todaysu.com/u-news/florida-am-f-malcolm-bernard-to-transfer/
Bernard, a 6’5”, 195-pound versatile forward from Middleburg, Florida is coming off a 2015-16 season in which he averaged 14.4 points, 7.1 rebounds and 4.3 assists per game, which were all team-highs. That across-the-board production will likely make him a wanted commodity among coaches.
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Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN 1h1 hour ago
Florida A&M grad transfer Malcolm Bernard has gotten his release. Finally. Averaged 14 points, 7 boards, 4 assists this past season.
http://www.todaysu.com/u-news/florida-am-f-malcolm-bernard-to-transfer/
Bernard, a 6’5”, 195-pound versatile forward from Middleburg, Florida is coming off a 2015-16 season in which he averaged 14.4 points, 7.1 rebounds and 4.3 assists per game, which were all team-highs. That across-the-board production will likely make him a wanted commodity among coaches.
Already transferred from Charleston Southern to FAMU after two years because he didn't get a lot of minutes or produce. Not terribly effective outside of the MEAC, which is an awful conference.
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Already transferred from Charleston Southern to FAMU after two years because he didn't get a lot of minutes or produce. Not terribly effective outside of the MEAC, which is an awful conference.
Danny Manning & Wake Forest are interested in him. Will be interesting to see if he actually gets any high major offers.
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Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN 1h1 hour ago
Florida A&M grad transfer Malcolm Bernard has gotten his release. Finally. Averaged 14 points, 7 boards, 4 assists this past season.
http://www.todaysu.com/u-news/florida-am-f-malcolm-bernard-to-transfer/
Bernard, a 6’5”, 195-pound versatile forward from Middleburg, Florida is coming off a 2015-16 season in which he averaged 14.4 points, 7.1 rebounds and 4.3 assists per game, which were all team-highs. That across-the-board production will likely make him a wanted commodity among coaches.
Stan Johnson just started following Malcolm Bernard
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Stan Johnson just started following Malcolm Bernard
Really don't know what to make of Bernard. He has really poor efficiency, which is usually where I start when looking at a player, though he was an inefficient player on a team of inefficient players, so I'm not sure if he might just be a product of their system. He was also fairly inefficient at Charleston Southern in his two years there and they were far more efficient as an offense, so he could be the problem.
However, he does do everything we need a guy to do. Rebounds well, good passer, and can hit the occasional three. Could see worse options out there, but I have a feeling there will also be better ones.
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There are already 8 graduate transfers I would take before Malcolm Bernard. And it is still very early in the graduate transfer process. He put up great numbers but his efficiency is low, he is too small, and players from the MEAC don't do well when transferring to a high major.
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Not a PF, but...
Alex Kline @TheRecruitScoop 3m3 minutes ago
RT @JonRothstein: Memphis guard Avery Woodson will graduate and transfer.
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Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein 2h2 hours ago
New Mexico transfer Cullen Neal will visit Ohio State in mid-April, Craig Neal told @CBSSports. Also considering Ole Miss & Texas A&M.
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Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN 9h9 hours ago
Michigan’s Spike Albrecht told ESPN he was granted his release today and plans to play next season elsewhere as a grad transfer.
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He's not a Power Forward and his stats are not good, but Sam Cassell Jr. will be graduating UConn and transferring.
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More of a wing, but would give us more shooting
Jeff GoodmanVerified account @GoodmanESPN 12m12 minutes ago
USC’s Katin Reinhardt told ESPN he will graduate and transfer. One year left and will play immediately. Averaged 11.4 points last year.
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He's not a Power Forward and his stats are not good, but Sam Cassell Jr. will be graduating UConn and transferring.
I think Marquette was one of his finalists coming out of high school.
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I think Marquette was one of his finalists coming out of high school.
He was. But he did not do well at UConn. I would be surprised if pursued.
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He was. But he did not do well at UConn. I would be surprised if pursued.
That was also a different coaching staff. I imagine most guys that had us as finalists under Buzz wouldn't necessarily have any interest now. May indicate they will consider Va Tech, though.
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This has become a booming industry.
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He's not a Power Forward and his stats are not good, but Sam Cassell Jr. will be graduating UConn and transferring.
Realize he wasn't a power forward. Went a little OT...
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http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/14390188/college-basketball-transfer-list
The transfer list from Goodman and Co. 250 and counting
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SG Jimmy Whitt transferring from Arkansas. Wojo recruited last year.
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Anthony Livingston, 6-8 230 PF from Arkansas state. 15 pts 9 rebs.
Aaand he punched a cop last May.
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Looks like slim pickings to me.
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SG Jimmy Whitt transferring from Arkansas. Wojo recruited last year.
I thought that kid had some ability. We should look at him.
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Let's hope the coaching carousel will yield better pleasant surprises.
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SG Jimmy Whitt transferring from Arkansas. Wojo recruited last year.
IIRC, it was down to us, Arkansas, and
Misery...I mean Mizzou
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Da part 'bout punchin' a cop shows grit that the current roster is lackin', hey?
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Looks like slim pickings to me.
MU doesn't need a grad transfer PF to come in to be a star. Just to fill a role.
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Ray Kasongo will transfer. Has 2 years of eligibility left. I don't believe he is immediately eligible.
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Javon Bess and Marvin Clark from Michigan State are available as regular transfers.
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2016/03/28/michigan-state-basketball-marvin-clark/82359356/
If they get healthy they could be solid contributors for us.
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Per Gary Parrish
Worth noting that Valpo's Alec Peters can graduate this summer and transfer. Relevant now that Bryce Drew is gone to Vandy.
This would be the MF'in golden goose if he does indeed decide to transfer. Could also see him testing the NBA waters as well.
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Per Gary Parrish
Worth noting that Valpo's Alec Peters can graduate this summer and transfer. Relevant now that Bryce Drew is gone to Vandy.
This would be the MF'in golden goose if he does indeed decide to transfer. Could also see him testing the NBA waters as well.
And just like that Alec Peters would vault to the top of the Grad Transfer market. Parrish also mentioned he could follow Drew to Vandy
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Peters would be a huge pick up, who knows what he'll decide, but he would be worth pursuing
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Per Gary Parrish
Worth noting that Valpo's Alec Peters can graduate this summer and transfer. Relevant now that Bryce Drew is gone to Vandy.
This would be the MF'in golden goose if he does indeed decide to transfer. Could also see him testing the NBA waters as well.
Ummm, yes please, where do we sign.
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Per Gary Parrish
Worth noting that Valpo's Alec Peters can graduate this summer and transfer. Relevant now that Bryce Drew is gone to Vandy.
This would be the MF'in golden goose if he does indeed decide to transfer. Could also see him testing the NBA waters as well.
I can confirm that flying into Bloomington-Normal is a lot easier this time of year than Augusta. Go get him Wojo!
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To summarize, best Grad Transfer PF options at the moment:
Rodney Pryor- 6"5 205 lb wing from Robert Morris. Averaged 8.0 rpg this season.
Anthony Livingston- 6"8 230 lb forward from Arkansas State. Has some legal baggage.
Savon Goodman- 6"6 210 lb forward from Arizona State. Has a lot of legal baggage.
Patrick Steeves- 6"7 220 lb forward from Harvard. More of a stretch four than a post. 2 years of eligibility.
Darion Clark- 6"7 220 lb forward from USC. Was a bench player but great rebounder.
Kale Abrahamson- 6"8 221 lb forward from Drake. More of a stretch four than a post.
Malcolm Benard 6"5 205 lb wing from Florida A&M. Averaged 7.4 rpg this season.
Derail Green- 6"7 215 lb forward from Incarnate Word. More of a stretch four than a post. 2 years of eligibility.
LaRon Smith- 6"8 190 lb forward from Bethune-Cookman. Slight but averaged 7 rpg this season.
Chad Rykhoek- 6"11 230 lb center from Baylor. Has never played a minute of college ball due to multiple injuries. Was a top 150 player in the class of 2012. Two years of eligibility left.
JJ N'Ganga- 6"10 240 lb center from New Mexico. Back of the rotation for New Mexico. Starting to get desperate here.
Najeal Young- 6"5 215 lb forward from UIC. Milwaukee native. Averaged 6.5 rpg this season.
In short, most of the options are either too short, too small, too squirmy, or too bad at basketball. I love Livingston or Goodman if Marquette is willing to look past their various transgressions. If not, I think Darion Clark could very good for us. He's not a complete player but he's a maniac on the boards. Could fill a role quite nicely.
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Thanks for the list, Eagle.
In other news, Alec Peters would make me giddy. We'd be legit next year.
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In short, most of the options are either too short, too small, too squirmy, or too bad at basketball. I love Livingston or Goodman if Marquette is willing to look past their various transgressions. If not, I think Darion Clark could very good for us. He's not a complete player but he's a maniac on the boards. Could fill a role quite nicely.
Livingston can play but he was arrested for punching a police officer less than a year ago. I'm much more willing to give guys a second chance if they made a "youthful mistake" as teen and have learned from it. March of 2015 is a little too soon for my liking.
Clark or Najeal Young could be an interesting fit as a hustle/energy guy who can board.
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Per Evan Daniels
Katin Reinhardt receiving strong interest from Alabama, Marquette, UTEP, and VCU.
He's 6-6 and not a rebounder. Not sure if the staff is mailing it in on the PF front or if they know they have more than 1 scholarship to work with. I could get behind this if we have another one opening up, but if not, it has me scratching my head.
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Love Peters, but as Dr. B said in another post, we need a rebounder. Peters plays like Hank, but shoots way better from the outside. I think perimeter scoring is something we won't be lacking in next year.
And even if he does transfer, he's probably going to Vandy. And if he didn't go to Vandy, why would he come to Marquette? He can choose practically any team in the country. He could easily go to the school 75 miles west of Marquette, fit right into Vito Brown's role and make them a Final Four contender.
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Love Peters, but as Dr. B said in another post, we need a rebounder. Peters plays like Hank, but shoots way better from the outside. I think perimeter scoring is something we won't be lacking in next year.
And even if he does transfer, he's probably going to Vandy. And if he didn't go to Vandy, why would he come to Marquette? He can choose practically any team in the country. He could easily go to the school 75 miles west of Marquette, fit right into Vito Brown's role and make them a Final Four contender.
Hank led conference in rebounding
He would play every minute that he is physically capable of (see Hank).
UW would probably want to redshirt him
I agree that we wouldn't be the front runner but grad transfers are generally looking for one thing above all else, which is PT. We got lots.
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Love Peters, but as Dr. B said in another post, we need a rebounder. Peters plays like Hank, but shoots way better from the outside. I think perimeter scoring is something we won't be lacking in next year.
And even if he does transfer, he's probably going to Vandy. And if he didn't go to Vandy, why would he come to Marquette? He can choose practically any team in the country. He could easily go to the school 75 miles west of Marquette, fit right into Vito Brown's role and make them a Final Four contender.
So true. Markus Howard should probably reconsider too. Same with Haanif and the rest of the roster.
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Livingston can play but he was arrested for punching a police officer less than a year ago. I'm much more willing to give guys a second chance if they made a "youthful mistake" as teen and have learned from it. March of 2015 is a little too soon for my liking.
The incident occurred while Livingston was being checked into a behavioral health facility. I'm not sure whether that makes it any more or less likely that MU should recruit him, but it appears that this was more of a guy experiencing a mental health problem than a dangerous criminal. His record is otherwise clean, according to his coach at ASU.
Regardless, people down there think he's headed to St. John's.
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Per Evan Daniels
Katin Reinhardt receiving strong interest from Alabama, Marquette, UTEP, and VCU.
He's 6-6 and not a rebounder. Not sure if the staff is mailing it in on the PF front or if they know they have more than 1 scholarship to work with. I could get behind this if we have another one opening up, but if not, it has me scratching my head.
Those are three schools I don't mind recruiting against. At 6"6 215, Reinhardt has enough size to be a rebounding wing. Not a great one but a serviceable one. I'd be curious to see how Wojo would use him.
If we added Reinhardt, this team would shoot the three better than any Marquette team in history.
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Those are three schools I don't mind recruiting against. At 6"6 215, Reinhardt has enough size to be a rebounding wing. Not a great one but a serviceable one. I'd be curious to see how Wojo would use him.
If we added Reinhardt, this team would shoot the three better than any Marquette team in history.
Still a lot of variables there though I'd think.
Duane is streaky. JJJ found his this year but it's not a huge sample. Same with Haanif. Howard and Rowsey appear to be good shooters.
But it still seems like it's more of a "potential to shoot well" roster not a close to a given.
Also not really big on Katin. He can't rebound and is not efficient inside the arc.
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IIRC, it was down to us, Arkansas, and
Misery...I mean Mizzou
Colorado, Oklahoma, Kansas, NC State, Wisconsin have all reached out to Whitt per CBS
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Still a lot of variables there though I'd think.
Duane is streaky. JJJ found his this year but it's not a huge sample. Same with Haanif. Howard and Rowsey appear to be good shooters.
But it still seems like it's more of a "potential to shoot well" roster not a close to a given.
Also not really big on Katin. He can't rebound and is not efficient inside the arc.
Agreed. Next year's team is probably not going to top 2010 (41.3%) or 2004 (40.6%).
For context, players from those seasons with 100+ 3PA
Lazar: 35%
DJO: 47%
Acker: 50%
Cooby: 41%
Diener: 45%
Novak: 43%
And our current roster's 2016 numbers:
Duane: 35%
JJ: 39%
Haanif: 39%
TC: 31%
Sandy: 35%
Rowsey is at 39% for his career, but with a ton of volume, so hopefully that could go up with fewer, but higher quality attempts. Hauser and Howard are new to college ball, so we'll see what happens with those two.
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But it still seems like it's more of a "potential to shoot well" roster not a close to a given.
....Well...yeah. That's true of any prediction. If Lebron James decided to play for Marquette next season we would have "potential to win a lot" but not be close to a given. If I must rephrase, "If we added Reinhardt, this team would have a reasonable shot of being able to shoot the three better than any Marquette team in history.
Also not really big on Katin. He can't rebound and is not efficient inside the arc.
I'll give you the he can' rebound. But he shot 51% on 2FG as a jumpshooting wing. That's about as good as you can hope for.
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Agreed. Next year's team is probably not going to top 2010 (41.3%) or 2004 (40.6%).
For context, players from those seasons with 100+ 3PA
Lazar: 35%
DJO: 47%
Acker: 50%
Cooby: 41%
Damn, I forgot how good of shooters that 2010 team was. I amend my previous statement to say second best team. 2004 was great but was heavily weighted by two guys. I'm looking more at a perspective of every player on the court being able to hit the three.
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Love Peters, but as Dr. B said in another post, we need a rebounder. Peters plays like Hank, but shoots way better from the outside. I think perimeter scoring is something we won't be lacking in next year.
And even if he does transfer, he's probably going to Vandy. And if he didn't go to Vandy, why would he come to Marquette? He can choose practically any team in the country. He could easily go to the school 75 miles west of Marquette, fit right into Vito Brown's role and make them a Final Four contender.
He'd have to beat our Vito for the spot - and Vito knows the offense well plus is a good 3 point shooter.
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....Well...yeah. That's true of any prediction. If Lebron James decided to play for Marquette next season we would have "potential to win a lot" but not be close to a given. If I must rephrase, "If we added Reinhardt, this team would have a reasonable shot of being able to shoot the three better than any Marquette team in history.
I'll give you the he can' rebound. But he shot 51% on 2FG as a jumpshooting wing. That's about as good as you can hope for.
Uhh you used Lebron James as an analogy for a bunch of 35-39% 3 pt shooters giving us our best shooting team?
Yeah, sorry but what I said stands.
And Reinhardt is a career sub 40% overall FG% guy.
So yeah
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Uhh you used Lebron James as an analogy for a bunch of 35-39% 3 pt shooters giving us our best shooting team?
Yeah, sorry but what I said stands.
And Reinhardt is a career sub 40% overall FG% guy.
So yeah
Right, but he improved drastically this season. Are we discounting JJJ for next year and assuming he'll regress to his previous two years?
I don't think it's fair to use his career averages after he made significant improvement.
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I expect JJJ, Cheatham and likely Howard to be at 42% or higher from 3. Katin Reinhardt has the capacity to be in the low 40's. A healthy Duane that gets his shot back to normal would shoot low 40's.
The bottom line is we may not have a absolute lights out shooter (like Acker, DJO), but we may have a team of Cooby's.
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And Reinhardt is a career sub 40% overall FG% guy.
So yeah
...what does what he did two and four years ago have to do with what he will do next season?
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To summarize, best Grad Transfer PF options at the moment:
Rodney Pryor- 6"5 205 lb wing from Robert Morris. Averaged 8.0 rpg this season.
Couple thoughts on Pryor. Saw him play a lot when he was a senior at Notre Dame in 2011. (don't know how he's still eligible to be honest) He played mostly the 2 in high school, don't really know if we be using him in the proper position. I think JJJ is better than Pryor and he's nowhere near big enough to play the 4 unless they go 4 out, even then though, still a ridiculously small lineup.
My 2 cents.
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Couple thoughts on Pryor. Saw him play a lot when he was a senior at Notre Dame in 2011. (don't know how he's still eligible to be honest) He played mostly the 2 in high school, don't really know if we be using him in the proper position. I think JJJ is better than Pryor and he's nowhere near big enough to play the 4 unless they go 4 out, even then though, still a ridiculously small lineup.
My 2 cents.
Appreciate the thoughts.
He had two season ending injuries in JUCO so he's on the the Otule plan. I think he has grown significantly. I haven't seen him in person, just watched a few videos and the NCAA tournament game against Duke. He appears to be bigger than Sandy but I could be wrong. Either way, 18.0 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 1.4 spg, and 0.9 spg is nothing to shake a stick at. Could he do it in the Big East? Doubtful, but I think he would contribute. Not sure he's what we want though.
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...what does what he did two and four years ago have to do with what he will do next season?
Nothing, nothing matters.
Thats what you don't get. You used LeBron James as proven superstar as an analogy for calling a bunch of unproven shooters the best shooting team weve seen at MU.
We haven't even watch Rowsey, Reinhardt(if he came) or Howard shoot a single basketball in a MU uniform in our offense. And one of them has never played college ball.
Good lord I didn't think ud argue with a simple observation so mightily.
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Right, but he improved drastically this season. Are we discounting JJJ for next year and assuming he'll regress to his previous two years?
I don't think it's fair to use his career averages after he made significant improvement.
Assuming he will regress? No. But you also can't assume 39% is automatically the norm after 1 season.
It was a simple devils advocate point I made.
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Appreciate the thoughts.
He had two season ending injuries in JUCO so he's on the the Otule plan. I think he has grown significantly. I haven't seen him in person, just watched a few videos and the NCAA tournament game against Duke. He appears to be bigger than Sandy but I could be wrong. Either way, 18.0 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 1.4 spg, and 0.9 spg is nothing to shake a stick at. Could he do it in the Big East? Doubtful, but I think he would contribute. Not sure he's what we want though.
He was always a pretty well built kid, even in high school. He played with Chevious who started at Tennessee and just finished up at Hampton. Chevious always gor more fan fare, but always thought Pryor was a better player. Still I agree he's not what Marquette is looking for. He's kind of a carbon copy of JJJ. Maybe a smidge stronger.
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Nothing, nothing matters.
Thats what you don't get. You used LeBron James as proven superstar as an analogy for calling a bunch of unproven shooters the best shooting team weve seen at MU.
We haven't even watch Rowsey, Reinhardt(if he came) or Howard shoot a single basketball in a MU uniform in our offense. And one of them has never played college ball.
Good lord I didn't think ud argue with a simple observation so mightily.
....I'm guessing the point went past you. I made a prediction. You said the prediction isn't a given. I said, well, yeah, its a prediction, no prediction is a given and used Lebron as an example for how even a sure fire prediction isn't a given. I wasn't comparing Lebron to our players. I didn't take issue with you disagreeing. I just thought it was silly to phrase it as "its not a given"
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....I'm guessing the point went past you. I made a prediction. You said the prediction isn't a given. I said, well, yeah, its a prediction, no prediction is a given and used Lebron as an example for how even a sure fire prediction isn't a given. I wasn't comparing Lebron to our players. I didn't take issue with you disagreeing. I just thought it was silly to phrase it as "its not a given"
Yeah but like I said the only reason I phrased it that way is because our guys are more potential to be great not a proven collection.
If we were returning a team that shot 40% from 3 as a squad that's when it's less devils advocate.
I love that we will finally have shooting options. I was just pointing out that while there are about 8 guys who appear capable of regularly hitting 3s. Rowsey at low mid major is the closet to proven in that regard.
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Yeah but like I said the only reason I phrased it that way is because our guys are more potential to be great not a proven collection.
If we were returning a team that shot 40% from 3 as a squad that's when it's less devils advocate.
I love that we will finally have shooting options. I was just pointing out that while there are about 8 guys who appear capable of regularly hitting 3s. Rowsey at low mid major is the closet to proven in that regard.
Fair enough. I didn't consider that perspective.
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http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=51417.0
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Here's an interesting name. Christian Jones from St. John's. You might remember him as the guy who hung 29 points and 7 rebounds on us in the BET. He's 6"7 220. Good rebounder. No shot, does all his work in the post. Not sure of this, but I think graduate transfers can actually transfer within conference. Not convinced he would be great but might fill a role.
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Another name to add to the list, LG Gill. 6"7 210 lb Forward from Duquesne. Averaged 10 and 6.5 for the Dukes.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/66386/lg-gill
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Here's an interesting name. Christian Jones from St. John's. You might remember him as the guy who hung 29 points and 7 rebounds on us in the BET. He's 6"7 220. Good rebounder. No shot, does all his work in the post. Not sure of this, but I think graduate transfers can actually transfer within conference. Not convinced he would be great but might fill a role.
Pretty sure he cannot transfer to BE team. If that's the case, its news to me.
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Pretty sure he cannot transfer to BE team. If that's the case, its news to me.
Not sure if basketball or just the Big East has different rules, but I know Iowa's QB grad transferred to Michigan to play his last season there. Thats the only case I know of a grad transfer staying in the same conference.
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Pretty sure he cannot transfer to BE team. If that's the case, its news to me.
Pretty sure he cannot transfer to BE team. If that's the case, its news to me.
Grad transfers have different rules than regular transfers. It depends on the conference. Adam Smith transferred from Virginia Tech to Georgia Tech without issue last season. Max Biefeldt transferred from Michigan to Indiana and he just needed to get the B1G's permission. I honestly don't know what the Big East's rules are. If anyone knows, I'd love to hear it.
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Grad transfers have different rules than regular transfers. It depends on the conference. Adam Smith transferred from Virginia Tech to Georgia Tech without issue last season. Max Biefeldt transferred from Michigan to Indiana and he just needed to get the B1G's permission. I honestly don't know what the Big East's rules are. If anyone knows, I'd love to hear it.
I was unable to find a Big East transfer document that didn't pre-date 2006 so there is not a lot of information out there about graduate transfers. Would love to see if anyone could find the current rules about that as it'd be very interesting to read.
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I was unable to find a Big East transfer document that didn't pre-date 2006 so there is not a lot of information out there about graduate transfers. Would love to see if anyone could find the current rules about that as it'd be very interesting to read.
Same here. The policy I found was dated 10/31/2005, and stated that hoops or football players couldn't transfer between BE schools, with "no exceptions." If the policy hasn't been revised since then, it would seem to be a no-go.
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I thought it was more strict than that. That no player who has even signed an NLI with a BE school can play at another one. That is at least the old BE rule. Not sure if that's the rule currently in place.
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A bit off topic, but it has been a week since BigDaddy posted saying that he was hopefully going to change his name soon given one of our targets. It too early to start:
NAME WATCH 2K16
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Also, per Donna Ditota, the Cuse basketball writer for The Post-Standard, 6-9 PF/C Chino Obokoh is transferring from Cuse. Eligible immediately.
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A ton of players are hitting the market. Have to think MU can land one big body from the group.
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Love to see a 7 foot 300 lb big body join us.
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Love to see a 7 foot 300 lb big body join us.
I'd love if my dog pooped $100 bills.
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I'd love if my dog pooped $100 bills.
LOL!
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I'd love if my dog pooped $100 bills.
(http://www.japantrendshop.com/img/happinet/unchoken-lucky-dog-poop-robot-bank-2.jpg)
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A bit off topic, but it has been a week since BigDaddy posted saying that he was hopefully going to change his name soon given one of our targets. It too early to start:
NAME WATCH 2K16
Unfortunately that was only 3 days ago. Seems longer though.
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I'd love if my dog pooped $100 bills.
F*ckin' would just be happy to poop, hey?
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Unfortunately that was only 3 days ago. Seems longer though.
Bummer. Well...back to the watch.
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Goodman's transfer list notes that Malcolm Bernard, grad transfer out of Florida A&M by way for College of Charleston is considering MU along with Middle Tennessee, Chattanooga, Cal State Bakersfield and Richmond.
Undersized PF (6-6), who plays in the post. Averaged 14.4, 7.1 and 4.3 last year. Pretty inefficient player, but he can at least play a role as a rebounding forward.
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Goodman's transfer list notes that Malcolm Bernard, grad transfer out of Florida A&M by way for College of Charleston is considering MU along with Middle Tennessee, Chattanooga, Cal State Bakersfield and Richmond.
Undersized PF (6-6), who plays in the post. Averaged 14.4, 7.1 and 4.3 last year. Pretty inefficient player, but he can at least play a role as a rebounding forward.
He put up monster numbers, you can add 2.3 steals per game to the ones you mentioned. But he did for the second worst team in division 1. What's worse, Florida A&M didn't even play a tough non-conference. He had exactly 1 game against a top 100 opponent, #81 Houston, and he put up pretty bad numbers. I really think this is a case of a guy gorging on weak opponents.
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He put up monster numbers, you can add 2.3 steals per game to the ones you mentioned. But he did for the second worst team in division 1. What's worse, Florida A&M didn't even play a tough non-conference. He had exactly 1 game against a top 100 opponent, #81 Houston, and he put up pretty bad numbers. I really think this is a case of a guy gorging on weak opponents.
Agreed. But I'd take him over Kalif Young for next season. I'd probably prefer Reinhardt to Bernard, tho.
Just don't really see what a hs PF accomplishes for us at this point. Its a nice luxury to have if you have room - but we need a dude we can rely on to play 30 MPG at the 4 next year.
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Agreed. But I'd take him over Kalif Young for next season. I'd probably prefer Reinhardt to Bernard, tho.
Just don't really see what a hs PF accomplishes for us at this point. Its a nice luxury to have if you have room - but we need a dude we can rely on to play 30 MPG at the 4 next year.
Wojo will always pick the best long term over the best short term. FWIW, Young has had some blue bloods attending his practices. Duke, Louisville, and Syracuse IIRC. He's not ranked highly but he seems like he might be one of those late blooming bigs. Not saying he would start or anything like that, just that he might be a little better than we anticipate.
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Wojo will always pick the best long term over the best short term. FWIW, Young has had some blue bloods attending his practices. Duke, Louisville, and Syracuse IIRC. He's not ranked highly but he seems like he might be one of those late blooming bigs. Not saying he would start or anything like that, just that he might be a little better than we anticipate.
How do you know this?
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Wojo will always pick the best long term over the best short term. FWIW, Young has had some blue bloods attending his practices. Duke, Louisville, and Syracuse IIRC. He's not ranked highly but he seems like he might be one of those late blooming bigs. Not saying he would start or anything like that, just that he might be a little better than we anticipate.
Probably true and not a bad thing. We have exactly 1 big for 2017 and his name is Matt Heldt. That frighten anybody else? At some point you have to bring in another PF/C that will be here for 3-4 years. Grad transfers are great and I agree we could use a contributing PF for next year, but the big body cupboard will be severely bare after next year. Can't keep up the trend of 1-year post players unless you are Kentucky, Duke, or Kansas.
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How do you know this?
Wojo's message has always been building a program not building a team. But honestly, its just my impression of the man. I should of put "In my opinion" my apologies.
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Wojo's message has always been building a program not building a team. But honestly, its just my impression of the man. I should of put "In my opinion" my apologies.
Thanks & I dont disagree - but my hypothesis is that it is more conditional/situational versus 'always'. Otherwise he wouldn't have gone after the grad transfers last year. Just didn't know if there was something out there that made it that concrete.
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Probably true and not a bad thing. We have exactly 1 big for 2017 and his name is Matt Heldt. That frighten anybody else? At some point you have to bring in another PF/C that will be here for 3-4 years. Grad transfers are great and I agree we could use a contributing PF for next year, but the big body cupboard will be severely bare after next year. Can't keep up the trend of 1-year post players unless you are Kentucky, Duke, or Kansas.
In an ideal world, you get a Bernard/Reinhardt (assuming he'd play the 4) and a Kalif Young. But that would require a transfer out.
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Probably true and not a bad thing. We have exactly 1 big for 2017 and his name is Matt Heldt. That frighten anybody else? At some point you have to bring in another PF/C that will be here for 3-4 years. Grad transfers are great and I agree we could use a contributing PF for next year, but the big body cupboard will be severely bare after next year. Can't keep up the trend of 1-year post players unless you are Kentucky, Duke, or Kansas.
Possible middle of the road option is getting a grad transfer with two years of eligibility left. Patrick Steeves or Derail Green come to mind.
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In an ideal world, you get a Bernard/Reinhardt (assuming he'd play the 4) and a Kalif Young. But that would require a transfer out.
As my South Side Chicago father-in law would say: "I'll take da boada dem."
And if the end result is a transfer out, that's OK, too. As long as the transfer isn't any of our top half-dozen.
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Or think about how some other coaches might handle this. Some might 'encourage' Wally to concentrate on his High Jump so he could fill 2 slots. I really believe Wojo won't even consider that option out of loyalty to one of 'his' guys. I'd argue that's building the program the right way. Now assuming Wally does decide to play, Wojo probably won't be shy about telling the Senior what he expects from him, even if that expectation delays or temporarily diminishes his jumping prowess. For example, he could try to have Wally put on 10 pounds of muscle in an effort to get more out of him at the #4. Totally fair and I think the Ellenson family would agree.
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Or think about how some other coaches might handle this. Some might 'encourage' Wally to concentrate on his High Jump so he could fill 2 slots. I really believe Wojo won't even consider that option out of loyalty to one of 'his' guys. I'd argue that's building the program the right way. Now assuming Wally does decide to play, Wojo probably won't be shy about telling the Senior what he expects from him, even if that expectation delays or temporarily diminishes his jumping prowess. For example, he could try to have Wally put on 10 pounds of muscle in an effort to get more out of him at the #4. Totally fair and I think the Ellenson family would agree.
I don't think Wojo would push Wally out. Hell, as the roster is currently constructed - Wally would get decent minutes at the 4. But that is what is scary. He's a decent enough energy guy, and I'd be fine with him being around, but he's not someone you want to play more than 10 MPG.
It's either Wally is in a position to graduate and wants to go play at a lower level, or decides to concentrate of high jump, or he just stays. My bet is he just stays, but again, it sure looks like Wojo is trying to fill more than 1 roster spot. Then again, BD sounded pretty certain.
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As my South Side Chicago father-in law would say: "I'll take da boada dem."
And if the end result is a transfer out, that's OK, too. As long as the transfer isn't any of our top half-dozen.
Agreed, with emphasis on the bolded. Its the way of CBB today.
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I don't think Wojo would push Wally out. Hell, as the roster is currently constructed - Wally would get decent minutes at the 4. But that is what is scary. He's a decent enough energy guy, and I'd be fine with him being around, but he's not someone you want to play more than 10 MPG.
It's either Wally is in a position to graduate and wants to go play at a lower level, or decides to concentrate of high jump, or he just stays. My bet is he just stays, but again, it sure looks like Wojo is trying to fill more than 1 roster spot. Then again, BD sounded pretty certain.
We agree. I'm simply saying Wojo will allow this to be Wally's choice offering him sound advice throughout the process.
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And if the end result is a transfer out, that's OK, too. As long as the transfer isn't any of our top half-dozen.
AKA......the Buzz Williams approach.
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AKA......the Buzz Williams approach.
AKA - how you win in CBB.
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AKA......the Buzz Williams approach.
He's the only one.
Have you seen the annual list of transfers, many from the nation's blueblood programs, but all the way down to the Whoever A&T's and Directional U?
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Jeff BorzelloVerified account @jeffborzello 4m4 minutes ago
Tulane transfer Dylan Osetkowski has heard from Oklahoma, Baylor, Marquette, Maryland. Will visit Texas this weekend, Arizona next weekend.
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No Marquette?
Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN 18m18 minutes ago
Florida A&M grad transfer Malcolm Bernard told ESPN he is looking at UNLV, Richmond, Nevada and Southern Illinois.
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Jeff BorzelloVerified account @jeffborzello 4m4 minutes ago
Tulane transfer Dylan Osetkowski has heard from Oklahoma, Baylor, Marquette, Maryland. Will visit Texas this weekend, Arizona next weekend.
Thanks for posting.
Like that - but again - so obvious to me that there is more than 1 spot wojo is searching for. While this dude would be real nice in 2017 - the need in 16 in that spot is glaring.
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No Marquette?
Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN 18m18 minutes ago
Florida A&M grad transfer Malcolm Bernard told ESPN he is looking at UNLV, Richmond, Nevada and Southern Illinois.
The quality of the program's he is looking at should tell you something.
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He's the only one.
Have you seen the annual list of transfers, many from the nation's blueblood programs, but all the way down to the Whoever A&T's and Directional U?
People are thrilled that there are no transfers from this team,which to them is stability.
To others, if you can upgrade the bottom half of your roster through transfers that's what you do.
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Jeff BorzelloVerified account @jeffborzello 4m4 minutes ago
Tulane transfer Dylan Osetkowski has heard from Oklahoma, Baylor, Marquette, Maryland. Will visit Texas this weekend, Arizona next weekend.
My guess is that this is possibly a backup option for Kalif Young. The two would be very similar players and neither would be really ready to contribute to 2017 (obviously Dylan wouldn't even be eligible until then).
Slight lean to Kalif, because he can at least offer possible minutes in 16-17, and because he gets 4 years in the program.
Like the idea of Osetkowski, because he's proven himself at the Division 1 level.
Would take either, but still need an immediate eligible 4.
Personally, I would like Patrick Steeves or Savon Goodman (if Stan oks) or Katin Reinhardt.
I think Katin can play the 4. He's a very solid defender who seems unafraid to mix it up. May be able to play the 4 in the Butler/Crowder/Lazar mold if coached up.
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Alec Peters (Valpo) declared for NBA Draft? ...Wow, he must not have known we needed him.
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Alec Peters (Valpo) declared for NBA Draft? ...Wow, he must not have known we needed him.
Not hiring an agent. Can still grad transfer if he wants.
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Not a PF but didn't see another transfer thread..
Rothstein: Sacred Heart transfer Cane Broom begins his visit to Creighton today. Has visited Cincinnati the past two days. Averaged 23.1 PPG last year.
This kid looks pretty damn good. Please choose Cincy :)
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6'8" 215 lbs. Bethune Cookman grad transfer LaRon Smith visits Charlotte today. Averaged 7 and 7 and 3 blocks. I'm sure he could help MU down low, if Wojo's interested.
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6'8" 215 lbs. Bethune Cookman grad transfer LaRon Smith visits Charlotte today. Averaged 7 and 7 and 3 blocks. I'm sure he could help MU down low, if Wojo's interested.
27% free throw shooter. Scoopers would freak.
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27% free throw shooter. Scoopers would freak.
Well yeah, people with legitamate handicaps can top that.
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27% free throw shooter. Scoopers would freak.
I thought free throws didn't matter?
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Derryck Thornton, PG from Duke transferring.
With our need for another guard, and Wojo's Duke ties I expect a commitment shortly
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I thought free throws didn't matter?
Team FT% doesn't matter.
Scoopers don't believe it, but it doesn't. It's so far down the list of areas to worry about that it's a complete non-issue.
That said, when you're sitting at sub-50% -- and certainly when you're at 27% -- there's something wrong with you.
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Team FT% doesn't matter.
Scoopers don't believe it, but it doesn't. It's so far down the list of areas to worry about that it's a complete non-issue.
That said, when you're sitting at sub-50% -- and certainly when you're at 27% -- there's something wrong with you.
To put this in perspective...the reason for this is because statistically, offense can be thought of in terms of points per possession. The average team usually gets around 1.00 points per possession.
So if you shoot 65% on free throws as a team, you average 1.35 ppp on those possessions, which is still far higher than what would be expected for the average team, and better than the adjusted offensive efficiency of any team in the history of Pomeroy's rankings.
If you shoot a more respectable 70% on free throws, you average 1.40 ppp on those possessions, which is a fairly negligible difference and still far above the average expected return on a possession.
Yes, in individual games, free throws can make a difference, and performing well from the line can turn the tide in a close game, but over the course of a season, it's a marginal difference when compared to other more important factors like eFG%.
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That said, when you're sitting at sub-50% -- and certainly when you're at 27% -- there's something wrong with you.
When Ben Wallace (career FT% .414) was on the Bulls, one of the Chicago beat writers contacted Rick Barry to ask if he could teach Wallace how to shoot FTs underhand. Barry said he could teach him in a a few weeks and guaranteed that Wallace would shoot at least 75%. Wallace's reaction: "I would never do that. It would look stupid."
Yes, hitting FTs underhand would look much more stupid than firing the ball off the backboard or shooting airballs.
That's one of the somethings wrong with these guys!
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To put this in perspective...the reason for this is because statistically, offense can be thought of in terms of points per possession. The average team usually gets around 1.00 points per possession.
So if you shoot 65% on free throws as a team, you average 1.35 ppp on those possessions, which is still far higher than what would be expected for the average team, and better than the adjusted offensive efficiency of any team in the history of Pomeroy's rankings.
If you shoot a more respectable 70% on free throws, you average 1.40 ppp on those possessions, which is a fairly negligible difference and still far above the average expected return on a possession.
Yes, in individual games, free throws can make a difference, and performing well from the line can turn the tide in a close game, but over the course of a season, it's a marginal difference when compared to other more important factors like eFG%.
At the 65% rate, you're only get 1.3 points if you're shooting two. Its less if its a one and one, because you only get that one if you make the first.
You have 0.65 expected points on the first shot, but you're only going to take the 2nd shot 65% of the time, so the expecte value for the second shot is 0.42.
If that happens 6 times per game, the difference between a 72% shooting team and a 65% shooting team is about a point--which doesn't sound like much, but impacts more end of game situations than you think.
If you're up 4 with five seconds to go and the other team has the ball, you're going to play a lot differently than if you're up by only 3. And that's a lot different than you'd play if you were up by only 2.
A one point expected difference over the course of a game affects decision making anywhere from a +4 to -4 score in the last few seconds.
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At the 65% rate, you're only get 1.3 points if you're shooting two. Its less if its a one and one, because you only get that one if you make the first.
You have 0.65 expected points on the first shot, but you're only going to take the 2nd shot 65% of the time, so the expecte value for the second shot is 0.42.
If that happens 6 times per game, the difference between a 72% shooting team and a 65% shooting team is about a point--which doesn't sound like much, but impacts more end of game situations than you think.
But "that" won't happen 6 times a game very often. Only in games where your opponent commits at least 9 fouls in both halves and fouls #7,8 and 9 in both halves are non shooting fouls.
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At the 65% rate, you're only get 1.3 points if you're shooting two. Its less if its a one and one, because you only get that one if you make the first.
You have 0.65 expected points on the first shot, but you're only going to take the 2nd shot 65% of the time, so the expecte value for the second shot is 0.42.
If that happens 6 times per game, the difference between a 72% shooting team and a 65% shooting team is about a point--which doesn't sound like much, but impacts more end of game situations than you think.
If you're up 4 with five seconds to go and the other team has the ball, you're going to play a lot differently than if you're up by only 3. And that's a lot different than you'd play if you were up by only 2.
A one point expected difference over the course of a game affects decision making anywhere from a +4 to -4 score in the last few seconds.
You'll get no disagreement here, but the significance of those free throws compared to an increase in eFG% isn't really comparable. Improve your eFG% by 7% as a team and it will have an impact on virtually all of your games. That's why Jay Bee asserts this, because improving from a poor FT% team of 65% to a good FT% team of 72% is worth about a point per game, but improving your eFG% from 52% to 59% would not only have made MU #1 in eFG% in the country, it would have increased their points on their 57.2 FGA per game from 59.5 ppg to 67.5 ppg. Suffice to say, the 8 point increase would have far greater impact than the 1 point FT difference.
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UNLV C/PF Ben Carter (6'8" - 225) might become a grad transfer. He is a high energy, "do the dirty work", glue guy. He was the one Rebel whose game I actually liked. There are only four scholarship players left on the Rebel squad!
http://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/unlv-rebels/basketball/unlv-s-ben-carter-considering-transferring-basketball-team
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Jeff BorzelloVerified account @jeffborzello 4m4 minutes ago
Tulane transfer Dylan Osetkowski has heard from Oklahoma, Baylor, Marquette, Maryland. Will visit Texas this weekend, Arizona next weekend.
Committed to Texas just now
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At the 65% rate, you're only get 1.3 points if you're shooting two. Its less if its a one and one, because you only get that one if you make the first.
You have 0.65 expected points on the first shot, but you're only going to take the 2nd shot 65% of the time, so the expecte value for the second shot is 0.42.
If that happens 6 times per game, the difference between a 72% shooting team and a 65% shooting team is about a point--which doesn't sound like much, but impacts more end of game situations than you think.
If you're up 4 with five seconds to go and the other team has the ball, you're going to play a lot differently than if you're up by only 3. And that's a lot different than you'd play if you were up by only 2.
A one point expected difference over the course of a game affects decision making anywhere from a +4 to -4 score in the last few seconds.
Please add in offensive rebounds into your wacky equation.
BTW, Ben Carter.. the injuries are a concern and was never a great rebounder... but, would consider.
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You'll get no disagreement here, but the significance of those free throws compared to an increase in eFG% isn't really comparable. Improve your eFG% by 7% as a team and it will have an impact on virtually all of your games. That's why Jay Bee asserts this, because improving from a poor FT% team of 65% to a good FT% team of 72% is worth about a point per game, but improving your eFG% from 52% to 59% would not only have made MU #1 in eFG% in the country, it would have increased their points on their 57.2 FGA per game from 59.5 ppg to 67.5 ppg. Suffice to say, the 8 point increase would have far greater impact than the 1 point FT difference.
I'm not suggesting FTs are more important than eFG. I'm just suggesting that it not insignificant, either.
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I'm not suggesting FTs are more important than eFG. I'm just suggesting that it not insignificant, either.
Team FT% is insignificant. Too small to be bothered concerning yourself over.
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Team FT% is insignificant. Too small to be bothered concerning yourself over.
but it drives people nuts, especially in close games and dudes that can it 3 pointers with a hand in their face...missing wide open 15 footers,
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but it drives people nuts, especially in close games and dudes that can it 3 pointers with a hand in their face...missing wide open 15 footers,
Yep. Some/most think emotionally and irrationally.
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UNLV C/PF Ben Carter (6'8" - 225) might become a grad transfer. He is a high energy, "do the dirty work", glue guy. He was the one Rebel whose game I actually liked. There are only four scholarship players left on the Rebel squad!
http://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/unlv-rebels/basketball/unlv-s-ben-carter-considering-transferring-basketball-team
Stan "the man" Johnson just started following Ben Carter...
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Stan "the man" Johnson just started following Ben Carter...
#donedeal, a''ina? Could see this one working out. Worried about injury.. but this one would seem to make some sense.
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanESPN
Duquesne grad transfer L.G. Gill told ESPN he's been contacted by Marquette, Texas, Iowa St, Alabama, Cincy, ECU, Maryland - and more.
6'7" forward, averaged 10/6.5 this year.
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanESPN
Duquesne grad transfer L.G. Gill told ESPN he's been contacted by Marquette, Texas, Iowa St, Alabama, Cincy, ECU, Maryland - and more.
6'7" forward, averaged 10/6.5 this year.
I will repeat again - clearly Wojo know someone isn't going to be around.
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I will repeat again - clearly Wojo know someone isn't going to be around.
If Wojo knows, at this stage in the game, it has to be Wally as the other possible transfers would have to get there name out there to find another school as scholarships are tightening up.
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At this point that person who is not going to be around has to be Wally, right?? If not what is the hold up on announcing the transfer?
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If Wojo knows, at this stage in the game, it has to be Wally as the other possible transfers would have to get there name out there to find another school as scholarships are tightening up.
HoopsterBC, we're on the same page.
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My guess is that we will know more soon. The basketball banquet is tonight.
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I will repeat again - clearly Wojo know someone isn't going to be around.
Know is a strong word. I'd say he knows that a player or players is considering leaving. And even if he doesn't, he definitely knows that a player could just transfer out of nowhere. Just got to be prepared in case it happens.
ABR.
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Know is a strong word. I'd say he knows that a player or players is considering leaving. And even if he doesn't, he definitely knows that a player could just transfer out of nowhere. Just got to be prepared in case it happens.
ABR.
Cut to Banquet Awards tonight:
Wojo: We're going to add something new to tonight's banquet. As you all know first prize is a trip to Comedy Sportz. Anyone wanna see second prize? Second prize is a spirit shop gift card. Third prize is: you're transferring.
Get the picture? You laughing now? You got reps. The boosters paid good money--you can't close out on the man you're given on d you can't close crap. You ARE crap. Hit the bricks, pal, and beat it 'cause you are transferring OUT.
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If some player is not at the banquet without an excuse like a family issue that might be telling. I would think if you are leaving, you are not going to show up for banquet. Maybe I'm wrong but seems logical.
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Refresh my memory. Doesn't Wally have one INDOOR season of eligibility left after this year but run out of outdoor? So as BD suggested in 'Barbershop', that could be a very good plan for next winter, even at MU. I'm assuming track could give him a full or partial scholly. Anyone correct my NCAA math. Now if he'd prefer to play hoops, well fine. I suppose he could even walk on to hoops first semester. Here's what I do think I know. If he utilizes a hoops scholly, Wojo will expect his full and undivided commitment.
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Refresh my memory. Doesn't Wally have one INDOOR season of eligibility left after this year but run out of outdoor? So as BD suggested in 'Barbershop', that could be a very good plan for next winter, even at MU. I'm assuming track could give him a full or partial scholly. Anyone correct my NCAA math. Now if he'd prefer to play hoops, well fine. I suppose he could even walk on to hoops first semester. Here's what I do think I know. If he utilizes a hoops scholly, Wojo will expect his full and undivided commitment.
If Wally's on a track scholarship of any kind, then basketball would not be allowed per NCAA rules. IIRC, it all goes back to Jimmy Johnson putting wide receivers on track scholarships back when he was at U of Miami.
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Also, I am not sure that eligibility is separate for indoor and outdoor track.
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At this point that person who is not going to be around has to be Wally, right?? If not what is the hold up on announcing the transfer?
I've heard that there has been talk of D Wilson leaving school to play in Europe. I know that Duane was not happy when he moved from starting Wojo's first year to coming off the bench the past year. The talent coming in will make that even worse. Plus I'm not sure what he feels about his personal relationship with Wojo. We have always assumed that the fact that he burned the redshirt year will keep him from transferring but leaving school all together is a different scenario. Hope he doesn't leave. I like Duane and he isn't afraid of the moment in close games. You need players like that.
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I've heard that there has been talk of D Wilson leaving school to play in Europe. I know that Duane was not happy when he moved from starting Wojo's first year to coming off the bench the past year. The talent coming in will make that even worse. Plus I'm not sure what he feels about his personal relationship with Wojo. We have always assumed that the fact that he burned the redshirt year will keep him from transferring but leaving school all together is a different scenario. Hope he doesn't leave. I like Duane and he isn't afraid of the moment in close games. You need players like that.
Not unthinkable, especially with Duane having a family to take care of.
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If Wally's on a track scholarship of any kind, then basketball would not be allowed per NCAA rules. IIRC, it all goes back to Jimmy Johnson putting wide receivers on track scholarships back when he was at U of Miami.
Totally agree. Any use of a scholly other than hoops would preclude him from playing hoops. And I like Sultan don't know if there's a distinction between outdoor and indoor.
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Cut to Banquet Awards tonight:
Wojo: We're going to add something new to tonight's banquet. As you all know first prize is a trip to Comedy Sportz. Anyone wanna see second prize? Second prize is a spirit shop gift card. Third prize is: you're transferring.
Get the picture? You laughing now? You got reps. The boosters paid good money--you can't close out on the man you're given on d you can't close crap. You ARE crap. Hit the bricks, pal, and beat it 'cause you are transferring OUT.
Schollies are for closers!
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I've heard that there has been talk of D Wilson leaving school to play in Europe. I know that Duane was not happy when he moved from starting Wojo's first year to coming off the bench the past year. The talent coming in will make that even worse. Plus I'm not sure what he feels about his personal relationship with Wojo. We have always assumed that the fact that he burned the redshirt year will keep him from transferring but leaving school all together is a different scenario. Hope he doesn't leave. I like Duane and he isn't afraid of the moment in close games. You need players like that.
Duane moving on will be a loss beyond the court. I can't think of anyone else who was such a supporter of the program and positive voice to possible recruits for at least his first two years.
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Duane moving on will be a loss beyond the court. I can't think of anyone else who was such a supporter of the program and positive voice to possible recruits for at least his first two years.
Agreed. I'm a huge fan of Duane on and off the court. The kid embraces the big moments and I'd love to see him find success at Marquette, especially as a local product.
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Duane moving on will be a loss beyond the court. I can't think of anyone else who was such a supporter of the program and positive voice to possible recruits for at least his first two years.
+1 -- I hope he stays...would understand if he moved on, but would be a loss. I hope he gets his degree before he chooses to move on as well. Could be a huge asset down the road.
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i've always questioned this. in the case of someone like wilson, why don't more kids leave early? he's not an nba talent, meaning he won't make millions a year, but from the little i know about overseas ball, he can make some decent $$$. i understand its not an easy transition, but duane essentially has ~15 years to make as much money as he can playing ball before age ends his career. every year he isn't earning income is a big deal considering the amount he's likely to make. someone like henry could get insurance, have fun at MU as long as he likes, and then sign a contract in the nba that essentially allows him to be set for life. duane likely needs to be extremely prudent with his earnings, and maximize his years of earnings, to ensure he has something come the age of 35-40? he can always come back and finish a degree. obviously there are reasons so few leave college early to play overseas...but i'm surprised more don't.
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My guess is that it's because many 18-22 year olds don't want to be that far from home. And because there aren't as many lucrative opportunities and people may think.
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i've always questioned this. in the case of someone like wilson, why don't more kids leave early? he's not an nba talent, meaning he won't make millions a year, but from the little i know about overseas ball, he can make some decent $$$. i understand its not an easy transition, but duane essentially has ~15 years to make as much money as he can playing ball before age ends his career. every year he isn't earning income is a big deal considering the amount he's likely to make. someone like henry could get insurance, have fun at MU as long as he likes, and then sign a contract in the nba that essentially allows him to be set for life. duane likely needs to be extremely prudent with his earnings, and maximize his years of earnings, to ensure he has something come the age of 35-40? he can always come back and finish a degree. obviously there are reasons so few leave college early to play overseas...but i'm surprised more don't.
Duane is a very small 2 guard, does not have ideal size, is an average shooter, seemed to lost his hops last year, injury maybe, if he has a good year next year he might graduate and become a grad transfer, not sure he is the best 2 guard next year at MU. Since the team does not have great size, the starters will probably
be Howard or Carter, Cheatham, Johnson, Reinhardt and Luke. If he can not even start at MU, not sure Europe is the answer yet.
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My guess is that it's because many 18-22 year olds don't want to be that far from home. And because there aren't as many lucrative opportunities and people may think.
Agree.
Also, while we know the NBA drafts more on potential than immediate ability to contribute, I'd bet many overseas teams want their players ready to produce (especially foreign players, since there are often limits). And that might require the extra strength and game experience that a kid like DuWil would get in college.
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My guess is that it's because many 18-22 year olds don't want to be that far from home. And because there aren't as many lucrative opportunities and people may think.
Also, any fierce competitor like Duane thinks he is good enough to make the NBA and reach his dream even if it's not realistic or probable. These kids beat to a different drum which is sometimes why they make irrational and impulsive decisions.
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Stan "the man" Johnson just started following Ben Carter...
Found this article about Carter: http://runrebs.com/2016/04/14/ben-carter-big-impact-injury-shortened-season/
Really like the sound of the kid. I think he could be exactly what our team is missing next season. I would go from thinking "can we make the ncaas" to "what seed are we going to get?" Assuming he recovers from his torn acl.
However I did see this quote in the article that might give some scooper some pause:
Though he lacked the size, length or athleticism of some of the Rebels’ more renowned prospects, Carter proved to be a master of positioning
Translation: HE ONLY GETS THE EASY REBOUNDS!!!
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Well good. Those 10 easy rpg that Henry got have to go to someone!
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Found this article about Carter: http://runrebs.com/2016/04/14/ben-carter-big-impact-injury-shortened-season/
Really like the sound of the kid. I think he could be exactly what our team is missing next season. I would go from thinking "can we make the ncaas" to "what seed are we going to get?" Assuming he recovers from his torn acl.
However I did see this quote in the article that might give some scooper some pause:
Translation: HE ONLY GETS THE EASY REBOUNDS!!!
So..he's nto Goodluck Okonoboh or Zimmerman. Gotcha.
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With the torn ACL, Carter would really be for the 2017-2018 season correct?
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With the torn ACL, Carter would really be for the 2017-2018 season correct?
Not necessarily. He tore it in early February. Season doesn't start until mid November. A little over 9 months is enough time in theory to recover from a torn ACL. It depends on the athlete.
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I've heard that there has been talk of D Wilson leaving school to play in Europe. I know that Duane was not happy when he moved from starting Wojo's first year to coming off the bench the past year. The talent coming in will make that even worse. Plus I'm not sure what he feels about his personal relationship with Wojo. We have always assumed that the fact that he burned the redshirt year will keep him from transferring but leaving school all together is a different scenario. Hope he doesn't leave. I like Duane and he isn't afraid of the moment in close games. You need players like that.
Me too. Duane's one of my favorite players. Really hope he stays.
I also don't think we've seen him scratch the surface of his potential in an MU uni yet.
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Just because the conversation already seems to have started here, I've also heard that Wally and Duane are transfer candidates, for the same reasons mentioned. Would be bummed to see Duane leave as he came in with so much promise and potential and being from Milwaukee I love the story. But it's clear Wojo is bringing in serious talent at guard, talent that is more suited to Wojo's style of play, and he very well could already be lost in the shuffle. Plus with his injury his frosh year and having to sit, Buzz leaving and a whole new regime coming in while buddies like his cousin (Jamil), Deonte, and Jameel left too, and now probably losing substantial PT going forward, it makes sense if he does.
In addition, and I hate speculating but what the hell, I've heard there's a chance Traci may consider bouncing. Although I was told it's the least likely of the 3, with Howard on board and Rowsey a ball handling shooter too, he could see his minutes get cut into to the point he would leave. Again, this was all based in rumor and outside of Wally it sounded like the other two weren't as likely. But it explains all of our interest in other players.
So Kalif Young, L.G. Gill, and maybe another guy or two are on our radar because we would be bringing in "maybe 2 to 3 new guys". Sounds like a lot of dominoes have yet to fall so things could be far from over. Interested to hear what BD has to say.
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In furtherance of the transfer speculations, it's truly getting a little late for players to make that decision IF the decision is to move onto another university and continue to play basketball. Available slots do fill up. It serves no purpose to maintain radio silence from the student athlete's perspective. Again, a guy like Wally is a special case. I suppose Du going to Europe would also fall into that category. But at some point it becomes pretty unlikely.
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In furtherance of the transfer speculations, it's truly getting a little late for players to make that decision IF the decision is to move onto another university and continue to play basketball. Available slots do fill up. It serves no purpose to maintain radio silence from the student athlete's perspective. Again, a guy like Wally is a special case. I suppose Du going to Europe would also fall into that category. But at some point it becomes pretty unlikely.
I will be more worried after next season. This year's logjam will lead to less minutes for somebody. Traci may know for sure that Markus has the PG keys (or vice versa, but less likely IMO). Duane will likely have the ability to grad transfer and avoid a sit-out year. While I do think we see at least one more transfer this year, I don't think it is either of those guys. Wally makes the most sense to me at this time.
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LG Gill will visit Marquette on 4/29. So...there's that.
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LG Gill will visit Marquette on 4/29. So...there's that.
Same weekend as Young, right?
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Same weekend as Young, right?
Yes. Young will be visiting April 28.
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LG Gill will visit Marquette on 4/29. So...there's that.
..yah, about that.
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I will be more worried after next season. This year's logjam will lead to less minutes for somebody. Traci may know for sure that Markus has the PG keys (or vice versa, but less likely IMO). Duane will likely have the ability to grad transfer and avoid a sit-out year. While I do think we see at least one more transfer this year, I don't think it is either of those guys. Wally makes the most sense to me at this time.
Yep. If new top 25-50 recruits beat out lesser players that's the way the cookie crumbles. Hey, none of our current guys took us dancing. Not critical of them but we are trying to build something here.
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I read that Carter plans to be ready by November.
Him or Young please.
No no no no no on Gill
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I read that Carter plans to be ready by November.
Him or Young please.
No no no no no on Gill
I'd rather have young or Carter too but why so down on Gill?
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I'd rather have young or Carter too but why so down on Gill?
All the no's are a little excessive lol. I'd rather have him than nothing at all.
But I just don't like a PF with a guards shooting % unless it's a Henry type talent.
But it does appear he can knock the 3 down decently at least.
Just really prefer a 4 year guy. Or someone like Carter who appears to be a plant his ass down low, play tough D and be quality PF
With all our guards I don't think have a more of a scorer mentality PF is a need. We just need someone down there to fight.
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But I just don't like a PF with a guards shooting % unless it's a Henry type talent.
FG% is an irrelevant figure.
Gill shoots the 3 more often than the 2. Last season, his 2FG% of 53.5% was impressive, AS WAS his eFG% of 52.3%.
FG% is a horrible statistic when discussing how well a player shoots the ball.
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FG% is an irrelevant figure.
Gill shoots the 3 more often than the 2. Last season, his 2FG% of 53.5% was impressive, AS WAS his eFG% of 52.3%.
FG% is a horrible statistic when discussing how well a player shoots the ball.
To put that into context.....Henry's efg% was only 48%.
Obviously other factors also,play into a players overall value
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LG Gill will visit Marquette on 4/29. So...there's that.
Per same tweet from Rothstein, Gill plans to visit Shaka & Texas
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Yep. If new top 25-50 recruits beat out lesser players that's the way the cookie crumbles. Hey, none of our current guys took us dancing. Not critical of them but we are trying to build something here.
Agree, glow.
I'm reminded of the many years the Cubs sucked. Invariably, several players would get cut or traded or go elsewhere after the season, and fans would moan about it. "Matt Murton! We need him!" And I'm thinking, "They sucked! You don't NEED most of them!"
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FG% is an irrelevant figure.
Gill shoots the 3 more often than the 2. Last season, his 2FG% of 53.5% was impressive, AS WAS his eFG% of 52.3%.
FG% is a horrible statistic when discussing how well a player shoots the ball.
But that's the point. We've already got as some have said about 8 shooters and possibly our best shooting team in forever. We don't need a PF that's gonna camp out there.
We need a efficient big man in the paint(or a 4 year player with that potential)
Not sure how Gill defense is though.
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I'll say this. Wojo is certainly being bold in how he is approaching next year. Hopefully it works.
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I'll say this. Wojo is certainly being bold in how he is approaching next year. Hopefully it works.
I like it.
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I'll say this. Wojo is certainly being bold in how he is approaching next year. Hopefully it works.
Yup. But at least it appears it's a plan. And not complete desperation.
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But that's the point. We've already got as some have said about 8 shooters and possibly our best shooting team in forever. We don't need a PF that's gonna camp out there.
We need a efficient big man in the paint(or a 4 year player with that potential)
Not sure how Gill defense is though.
Has a 40 inch vertical leap. So maybe he can get some of the hard ones.
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New PF on the list. Lew Evans, 6"9 230 lb PF from Utah state. 8.4 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 0.9 apg, 0.4 spg, 0.2 bpg, .412 FG%, .356 3P%. Would put him behind Ben Carter and Kalif Young but maybe on the same level as LG Gill.
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Anyone know if we have a shot at Anthony Livingston. He'd be one of my top choices. 2 years of eligibility. Immediately eligible.
6'8" 230lbs, averaged 15.5 pts, 9.4 rebounds.
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Anyone know if we have a shot at Anthony Livingston. He'd be one of my top choices. 2 years of eligibility. Immediately eligible.
6'8" 230lbs, averaged 15.5 pts, 9.4 rebounds.
Cop-puncher. I'm betting Wojo steered clear of him.
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Anyone know if we have a shot at Anthony Livingston. He'd be one of my top choices. 2 years of eligibility. Immediately eligible.
6'8" 230lbs, averaged 15.5 pts, 9.4 rebounds.
Unless you know something I don't, Livingston only has one year of eligibility. He played two full seasons at Arkansas State and one season at San Jacinto Junior College.
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Cop-puncher. I'm betting Wojo steered clear of him.
I agree this is probably the case. However, I would be willing to at least talk to him to find out what happened. The articles I have read about it make it sound like a unique case. Also, speaking as someone living in a small town in the south....when a person of color punches a cop down here, it is never smart....but the cop sometimes deserved it. NOT saying that's what happened here. No information. Just saying I'd be willing to hear Livingston's side of the story.
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I agree this is probably the case. However, I would be willing to at least talk to him to find out what happened. The articles I have read about it make it sound like a unique case. Also, speaking as someone living in a small town in the south....when a person of color punches a cop down here, it is never smart....but the cop sometimes deserved it. NOT saying that's what happened here. No information. Just saying I'd be willing to hear Livingston's side of the story.
That was my stance in regards to the cop punching incident. Seems like this was a unique case.
Also, I missed him spending a year at a JC. Still an interesting prospect, but less so if he only has 1 year. I'm more concerned with 2017-18 and forward as far as bigs are concerned than I am 2016-17.
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2017 is an issue upfront, but Wojo can sell good guards coming back and small forwards. Whom ever he recruits at center probably will start, and maybe power
forward as well. If he does that, the rebuild is over. NCAA tournament or good-bye, figuring the following year, he will get Bailey and Joey Hauser if Sam likes it
at MU.
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2017 is an issue upfront, but Wojo can sell good guards coming back and small forwards. Whom ever he recruits at center probably will start, and maybe power
forward as well. If he does that, the rebuild is over. NCAA tournament or good-bye, figuring the following year, he will get Bailey and Joey Hauser if Sam likes it
at MU.
Will same pay for Joey's scholarship, though?
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Will same pay for Joey's scholarship, though?
Not lettin this one go are ya?
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Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN 2h2 hours ago
One of UNLV's few remaining players, Ben Carter, told ESPN he received his release to speak with other schools - but may still stay at UNLV.
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Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN 2h2 hours ago
One of UNLV's few remaining players, Ben Carter, told ESPN he received his release to speak with other schools - but may still stay at UNLV.
Ha. (I sincerely hope UNLV puts things back together but to hang around would be crazy. I understand hometown stuff and all but still. Actually feel somewhat bad for the young man. He didn't ask for any of this.)
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Ha. (I sincerely hope UNLV puts things back together but to hang around would be crazy. I understand hometown stuff and all but still. Actually feel somewhat bad for the young man. He didn't ask for any of this.)
I believe if Carter leaves, new HC Marvin Menzies will have three scholarship players returning and ten to fill. It's been such a rush for the exits - I think those figures are accurate. The coaches can come and go as they please but the players all suffer.
Mark Anderson @markanderson65 41m41 minutes ago
Updated: #UNLVmbb announces hiring of Marvin Menzies as new basketball coach https://shar.es/1jwXJA via @reviewjournal #RJnow
George Karl would have given UNLV a "senior discount" to coach:
Matt Youmans @mattyoumans247 23m23 minutes ago
George Karl's proposed staff was Augmon, Welch and Karl's son. Due around $7 mil from the Kings, Karl was willing to coach at UNLV for 500k
Some LV locals are using humor to ease their pain:
Mark Anderson @markanderson65 1h1 hour ago
RT @Rebel_Net: Sources say Chris Beard is frontrunner to replace Marvin Menzies at NMSU
Drew @Drew2406 1h1 hour ago
@stevecofield @DerekSchill It feels like getting socks for Christmas.
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What a story. Runnin' Rebels fans are in for a long year.
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Menzies might be a better hire than Beard. Longer sustained record of success at one school.
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Is Sheryl Swoopes running the UNVL program?
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Austin Arians (6'6, 200 lbs, G/F) grad transfer from UWM is deciding between Utah, Wake Forest, Wisconsin.
Avg: 11.4 ppg, 4 reb, 1.5 ast. 52 eFG%. Led UWM with 80 triples, next closest 43.
2/3 chance we see him next season at some point
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Austin Arians (6'6, 200 lbs, G/F) grad transfer from UWM is deciding between Utah, Wake Forest, Wisconsin.
Avg: 11.4 ppg, 4 reb, 1.5 ast. 52 eFG%. Led UWM with 80 triples, next closest 43.
2/3 chance we see him next season at some point
Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN
Wake Forest has picked up Milwaukee grad transfer Austin Arians, source told ESPN. Forward averaged 11.4 points last season.
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Appreciate the thoughts.
He had two season ending injuries in JUCO so he's on the the Otule plan. I think he has grown significantly. I haven't seen him in person, just watched a few videos and the NCAA tournament game against Duke. He appears to be bigger than Sandy but I could be wrong. Either way, 18.0 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 1.4 spg, and 0.9 spg is nothing to shake a stick at. Could he do it in the Big East? Doubtful, but I think he would contribute. Not sure he's what we want though.
We'll get to see what Pryor can do in the Big East after all. Committed to Georgetown today. He's going to be a b*tch to guard next season.
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Is Sheryl Swoopes running the UNVL program?
either sheryl is not providing enough "safe zones" and is too "old school" for these pampered millenials, or she is the women's modern day version of bobby knight and she wasn't "that" when she recruited these players; a little doc jekyll and mr.hyde thing going on?
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Scratch Ben Carter off MU's wish list:
Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN 1h1 hour ago
UNLV grad transfer Ben Carter told ESPN he will schedule visits to Arizona, Arizona State, Michigan State, NC State and Miami.
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Scratch Ben Carter off MU's wish list:
Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN 1h1 hour ago
UNLV grad transfer Ben Carter told ESPN he will schedule visits to Arizona, Arizona State, Michigan State, NC State and Miami.
Yup so really looks like its down to 1 of(maybe both??) of the buys coming in next weekend.
I liked Carter but if Wojo can close a PF here soon Im good!
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If Butler can get two starters MU can at least get one, right?
Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein 4m4 minutes ago
Chris Holtmann could have two transfers start next season for Butler: Avery Woodson (Memphis) and Kethan Savage (GW). Interesting team.
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If Butler can get two starters MU can at least get one, right?
Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein 4m4 minutes ago
Chris Holtmann could have two transfers start next season for Butler: Avery Woodson (Memphis) and Kethan Savage (GW). Interesting team.
Savage is pretty good.
So they already got those two? Missed that.
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If Butler can get two starters MU can at least get one, right?
Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein 4m4 minutes ago
Chris Holtmann could have two transfers start next season for Butler: Avery Woodson (Memphis) and Kethan Savage (GW). Interesting team.
MU may have already picked up a starter..or at least somebody who can play starters minutes.
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MU may have already picked up a starter..or at least somebody who can play starters minutes.
Being more specific, MU hopefully can get one PF starter/contributor before next year.
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Scratch Ben Carter off MU's wish list:
Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN 1h1 hour ago
UNLV grad transfer Ben Carter told ESPN he will schedule visits to Arizona, Arizona State, Michigan State, NC State and Miami.
I'm truly happy for the kid. He's bounced a lot and deserves to be able to finish strong. All outstanding programs.
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Savage is pretty good.
So they already got those two? Missed that.
Kethan Savage is a traditional transfer they picked up last summer. Avery Woodson literally committed hours ago.
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Kethan Savage is a traditional transfer they picked up last summer. Avery Woodson literally committed hours ago.
Seriously? Savage didnt play at GW this year? Wow lol really out of loop.
And I see Woodson has only played 2 years, hes eligible right away though? Guy can shoot the 3. Pretty blah elsewhere though.
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Jon Rothstein Verified account @JonRothstein 6 hours ago
Duquesne transfer LG Gill told @CBSSports he's meeting with Texas, ECU, Maryland, & Iowa St this week. Official visit to Marquette on 4/29.
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And I see Woodson has only played 2 years, hes eligible right away though? Guy can shoot the 3. Pretty blah elsewhere though.
Went to JUCO first.
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Jon Rothstein Verified account @JonRothstein 6 hours ago
Duquesne transfer LG Gill told @CBSSports he's meeting with Texas, ECU, Maryland, & Iowa St this week. Official visit to Marquette on 4/29.
So what Rothstien is saying is that he'll come to Marquette this summer and transfer to Iowa State.
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Savon Goodman has been talked about a fair amount in here with his ties to Stan... He will visit La Salle & NC State per Rothstein
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Savage is pretty good.
So they already got those two? Missed that.
If a 6'3" guard who turns it over a lot and shoots a career 46.6% eFG% (43.9% in his most recent season), yup.. pretty good.. 27.6% career 3FG%. Yuck.
But he has experience..
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If Butler can get two starters MU can at least get one, right?
Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein 4m4 minutes ago
Chris Holtmann could have two transfers start next season for Butler: Avery Woodson (Memphis) and Kethan Savage (GW). Interesting team.
Here is some detail on Woodson. I think he is perfect for Butler.
http://www.commercialappeal.com/sports/tigers/basketball/Tigers-avery-woodson-says-hell-transfer-to-butler-30c500d2-be89-60cc-e053-0100007f93fe-376104201.html
As for Savage, I hoped he spent the year off working on his shot.
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If a 6'3" guard who turns it over a lot and shoots a career 46.6% eFG% (43.9% in his most recent season), yup.. pretty good.. 27.6% career 3FG%. Yuck.
But he has experience..
Yup pretty good
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Creighton has a quality transfer in Marcus Foster coming on line this year.
http://www.omaha.com/creighton/kansas-state-transfer-marcus-foster-picks-creighton/article_62d97158-e6d2-11e4-8d74-674b6a2d367a.html
they are also picking up Kaleb Joseph.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/15229365/syracuse-orange-kaleb-joseph-transferring-creighton-bluejays
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If a 6'3" guard who turns it over a lot and shoots a career 46.6% eFG% (43.9% in his most recent season), yup.. pretty good.. 27.6% career 3FG%. Yuck.
But he has experience..
Doesn't sound like a Butler type of guy. They must have seen something showing he could play different, I guess.
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Creighton has a quality transfer in Marcus Foster coming on line this year.
http://www.omaha.com/creighton/kansas-state-transfer-marcus-foster-picks-creighton/article_62d97158-e6d2-11e4-8d74-674b6a2d367a.html
they are also picking up Kaleb Joseph.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/15229365/syracuse-orange-kaleb-joseph-transferring-creighton-bluejays
Going the Iowas State route, just with more quality recruits of their own to start with, especially bigs.
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Going the Iowas State route, just with more quality recruits of their own to start with, especially bigs.
Here are the two quality recruits of their own they got.
http://www.omaha.com/creighton/blog/by-at-least-one-measure-creighton-has-one-of-the/article_baeb2124-ceb8-11e5-8816-f3b851447be5.html
Creighton doing a solid job with their program.