collapse

'23-'24 SOTG Tally


2023-24 Season SoG Tally
Kolek11
Ighodaro6
Jones, K.6
Mitchell2
Jones, S.1
Joplin1

'22-23
'21-22 * '20-21 * '19-20
'18-19 * '17-18 * '16-17
'15-16 * '14-15 * '13-14
'12-13 * '11-12 * '10-11

Big East Standings

Recent Posts

Server Upgrade - This is the new server by THRILLHO
[Today at 05:52:28 PM]


Owens out Monday by TAMU, Knower of Ball
[Today at 03:23:08 PM]


Shaka Preseason Availability by Tyler COLEk
[Today at 03:14:12 PM]


Marquette Picked #3 in Big East Conference Preview by Jay Bee
[Today at 02:04:27 PM]


Get to know Ben Steele by Hidden User
[Today at 12:14:10 PM]


Deleted by TallTitan34
[Today at 09:31:48 AM]


2024-25 Big East TV Guide by Mr. Nielsen
[Today at 08:29:24 AM]

Please Register - It's FREE!

The absolute only thing required for this FREE registration is a valid e-mail address. We keep all your information confidential and will NEVER give or sell it to anyone else.
Login to get rid of this box (and ads) , or register NOW!

Next up: B&G Tip-Off Luncheon

Marquette
Marquette

B&G Luncheon

Date/Time: Oct 31, 2024 11:30am
TV: NA
Schedule for 2023-24
27-10

Grad. Transfer PF Options

Started by Litehouse, February 01, 2016, 12:31:58 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

GoldenWarrior11

Jeff BorzelloVerified account ‏@jeffborzello  4m4 minutes ago

Tulane transfer Dylan Osetkowski has heard from Oklahoma, Baylor, Marquette, Maryland. Will visit Texas this weekend, Arizona next weekend.

VegasWarrior77

No Marquette?

Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanESPN  18m18 minutes ago
Florida A&M grad transfer Malcolm Bernard told ESPN he is looking at UNLV, Richmond, Nevada and Southern Illinois.
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Albert Einstein

JamilJaeJamailJrJuan

Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on April 07, 2016, 02:00:41 PM
Jeff BorzelloVerified account ‏@jeffborzello  4m4 minutes ago

Tulane transfer Dylan Osetkowski has heard from Oklahoma, Baylor, Marquette, Maryland. Will visit Texas this weekend, Arizona next weekend.

Thanks for posting.

Like that - but again - so obvious to me that there is more than 1 spot wojo is searching for.  While this dude would be real nice in 2017 - the need in 16 in that spot is glaring.
Quote from: Goose on February 09, 2017, 11:06:04 AM
I would take the Rick SLU program right now.

GGGG

Quote from: VegasWarrior77 on April 07, 2016, 02:02:06 PM
No Marquette?

Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanESPN  18m18 minutes ago
Florida A&M grad transfer Malcolm Bernard told ESPN he is looking at UNLV, Richmond, Nevada and Southern Illinois.

The quality of the program's he is looking at should tell you something.

We R Final Four

Quote from: MU82 on April 07, 2016, 01:27:18 PM
He's the only one.

Have you seen the annual list of transfers, many from the nation's blueblood programs, but all the way down to the Whoever A&T's and Directional U?
People are thrilled that there are no transfers from this team,which to them is stability.

To others, if you can upgrade the bottom half of your roster through transfers that's what you do.

forgetful

Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on April 07, 2016, 02:00:41 PM
Jeff BorzelloVerified account ‏@jeffborzello  4m4 minutes ago

Tulane transfer Dylan Osetkowski has heard from Oklahoma, Baylor, Marquette, Maryland. Will visit Texas this weekend, Arizona next weekend.

My guess is that this is possibly a backup option for Kalif Young.  The two would be very similar players and neither would be really ready to contribute to 2017 (obviously Dylan wouldn't even be eligible until then).

Slight lean to Kalif, because he can at least offer possible minutes in 16-17, and because he gets 4 years in the program.

Like the idea of Osetkowski, because he's proven himself at the Division 1 level.

Would take either, but still need an immediate eligible 4.

Personally, I would like Patrick Steeves or Savon Goodman (if Stan oks) or Katin Reinhardt.

I think Katin can play the 4.  He's a very solid defender who seems unafraid to mix it up.  May be able to play the 4 in the Butler/Crowder/Lazar mold if coached up.

WarriorPride68

Alec Peters (Valpo) declared for NBA Draft? ...Wow, he must not have known we needed him.

GGGG

Quote from: WarriorPride68 on April 07, 2016, 10:25:26 PM
Alec Peters (Valpo) declared for NBA Draft? ...Wow, he must not have known we needed him.

Not hiring an agent.  Can still grad transfer if he wants.

WarriorPride68

Not a PF but didn't see another transfer thread..

Rothstein: Sacred Heart transfer Cane Broom begins his visit to Creighton today. Has visited Cincinnati the past two days. Averaged 23.1 PPG last year.

This kid looks pretty damn good. Please choose Cincy :)

Boone

6'8" 215 lbs. Bethune Cookman grad transfer LaRon Smith visits Charlotte today. Averaged 7 and 7 and 3 blocks. I'm sure he could help MU down low, if Wojo's interested.

Jay Bee

Quote from: Boone on April 09, 2016, 12:35:42 PM
6'8" 215 lbs. Bethune Cookman grad transfer LaRon Smith visits Charlotte today. Averaged 7 and 7 and 3 blocks. I'm sure he could help MU down low, if Wojo's interested.

27% free throw shooter. Scoopers would freak.
REJOICE! Eric Dixon has been suspended!!

PGsHeroes32

Quote from: Jay Bee on April 09, 2016, 02:38:47 PM
27% free throw shooter. Scoopers would freak.

Well yeah, people with legitamate handicaps can top that.
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

fjm

Quote from: Jay Bee on April 09, 2016, 02:38:47 PM
27% free throw shooter. Scoopers would freak.

I thought free throws didn't matter?

WarriorPride68

Derryck Thornton, PG from Duke transferring.

With our need for another guard, and Wojo's Duke ties I expect a commitment shortly

Jay Bee

Quote from: fjm on April 09, 2016, 02:51:48 PM
I thought free throws didn't matter?

Team FT% doesn't matter.

Scoopers don't believe it, but it doesn't. It's so far down the list of areas to worry about that it's a complete non-issue.

That said, when you're sitting at sub-50% -- and certainly when you're at 27% -- there's something wrong with you.
REJOICE! Eric Dixon has been suspended!!

brewcity77

Quote from: Jay Bee on April 10, 2016, 01:39:39 PM
Team FT% doesn't matter.

Scoopers don't believe it, but it doesn't. It's so far down the list of areas to worry about that it's a complete non-issue.

That said, when you're sitting at sub-50% -- and certainly when you're at 27% -- there's something wrong with you.

To put this in perspective...the reason for this is because statistically, offense can be thought of in terms of points per possession. The average team usually gets around 1.00 points per possession.

So if you shoot 65% on free throws as a team, you average 1.35 ppp on those possessions, which is still far higher than what would be expected for the average team, and better than the adjusted offensive efficiency of any team in the history of Pomeroy's rankings.

If you shoot a more respectable 70% on free throws, you average 1.40 ppp on those possessions, which is a fairly negligible difference and still far above the average expected return on a possession.

Yes, in individual games, free throws can make a difference, and performing well from the line can turn the tide in a close game, but over the course of a season, it's a marginal difference when compared to other more important factors like eFG%.
This space reserved for a 2024 2025 National Championship celebration banner.

MU82

Quote from: Jay Bee on April 10, 2016, 01:39:39 PM
That said, when you're sitting at sub-50% -- and certainly when you're at 27% -- there's something wrong with you.

When Ben Wallace (career FT% .414) was on the Bulls, one of the Chicago beat writers contacted Rick Barry to ask if he could teach Wallace how to shoot FTs underhand. Barry said he could teach him in a a few weeks and guaranteed that Wallace would shoot at least 75%. Wallace's reaction: "I would never do that. It would look stupid."

Yes, hitting FTs underhand would look much more stupid than firing the ball off the backboard or shooting airballs.

That's one of the somethings wrong with these guys!
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

The Equalizer

Quote from: brewcity77 on April 10, 2016, 04:49:46 PM
To put this in perspective...the reason for this is because statistically, offense can be thought of in terms of points per possession. The average team usually gets around 1.00 points per possession.

So if you shoot 65% on free throws as a team, you average 1.35 ppp on those possessions, which is still far higher than what would be expected for the average team, and better than the adjusted offensive efficiency of any team in the history of Pomeroy's rankings.

If you shoot a more respectable 70% on free throws, you average 1.40 ppp on those possessions, which is a fairly negligible difference and still far above the average expected return on a possession.

Yes, in individual games, free throws can make a difference, and performing well from the line can turn the tide in a close game, but over the course of a season, it's a marginal difference when compared to other more important factors like eFG%.

At the 65% rate, you're only get 1.3 points if you're shooting two.  Its less if its a one and one, because you only get that one if you make the first.

You have 0.65 expected points on the first shot, but you're only going to take the 2nd shot 65% of the time, so the expecte value for the second shot is 0.42.

If that happens 6 times  per game, the difference between a 72% shooting team and a 65% shooting team is about a point--which doesn't sound like much, but impacts more end of game situations than you think. 

If you're up 4 with five seconds to go and the other team has the ball, you're going to play a lot differently than if you're up by only 3.  And that's a lot different than you'd play if you were up by only 2.

A one point expected difference over the course of a game affects decision making anywhere from a +4 to -4 score in the last few seconds.


Lennys Tap

Quote from: The Equalizer on April 12, 2016, 12:23:39 PM
At the 65% rate, you're only get 1.3 points if you're shooting two.  Its less if its a one and one, because you only get that one if you make the first.

You have 0.65 expected points on the first shot, but you're only going to take the 2nd shot 65% of the time, so the expecte value for the second shot is 0.42.

If that happens 6 times  per game, the difference between a 72% shooting team and a 65% shooting team is about a point--which doesn't sound like much, but impacts more end of game situations than you think. 



But "that" won't happen 6 times a game very often. Only in games where your opponent commits at least 9 fouls in both halves and fouls #7,8 and 9 in both halves are non shooting fouls.

brewcity77

Quote from: The Equalizer on April 12, 2016, 12:23:39 PM
At the 65% rate, you're only get 1.3 points if you're shooting two.  Its less if its a one and one, because you only get that one if you make the first.

You have 0.65 expected points on the first shot, but you're only going to take the 2nd shot 65% of the time, so the expecte value for the second shot is 0.42.

If that happens 6 times  per game, the difference between a 72% shooting team and a 65% shooting team is about a point--which doesn't sound like much, but impacts more end of game situations than you think. 

If you're up 4 with five seconds to go and the other team has the ball, you're going to play a lot differently than if you're up by only 3.  And that's a lot different than you'd play if you were up by only 2.

A one point expected difference over the course of a game affects decision making anywhere from a +4 to -4 score in the last few seconds.

You'll get no disagreement here, but the significance of those free throws compared to an increase in eFG% isn't really comparable. Improve your eFG% by 7% as a team and it will have an impact on virtually all of your games. That's why Jay Bee asserts this, because improving from a poor FT% team of 65% to a good FT% team of 72% is worth about a point per game, but improving your eFG% from 52% to 59% would not only have made MU #1 in eFG% in the country, it would have increased their points on their 57.2 FGA per game from 59.5 ppg to 67.5 ppg. Suffice to say, the 8 point increase would have far greater impact than the 1 point FT difference.
This space reserved for a 2024 2025 National Championship celebration banner.

VegasWarrior77

UNLV C/PF Ben Carter (6'8" - 225) might become a grad transfer.  He is a high energy, "do the dirty work", glue guy.  He was the one Rebel whose game I actually liked.  There are only four scholarship players left on the Rebel squad!

http://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/unlv-rebels/basketball/unlv-s-ben-carter-considering-transferring-basketball-team
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Albert Einstein

WarriorPride68

Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on April 07, 2016, 02:00:41 PM
Jeff BorzelloVerified account ‏@jeffborzello  4m4 minutes ago

Tulane transfer Dylan Osetkowski has heard from Oklahoma, Baylor, Marquette, Maryland. Will visit Texas this weekend, Arizona next weekend.

Committed to Texas just now

Jay Bee

Quote from: The Equalizer on April 12, 2016, 12:23:39 PM
At the 65% rate, you're only get 1.3 points if you're shooting two.  Its less if its a one and one, because you only get that one if you make the first.

You have 0.65 expected points on the first shot, but you're only going to take the 2nd shot 65% of the time, so the expecte value for the second shot is 0.42.

If that happens 6 times  per game, the difference between a 72% shooting team and a 65% shooting team is about a point--which doesn't sound like much, but impacts more end of game situations than you think. 

If you're up 4 with five seconds to go and the other team has the ball, you're going to play a lot differently than if you're up by only 3.  And that's a lot different than you'd play if you were up by only 2.

A one point expected difference over the course of a game affects decision making anywhere from a +4 to -4 score in the last few seconds.

Please add in offensive rebounds into your wacky equation.

BTW, Ben Carter.. the injuries are a concern and was never a great rebounder... but, would consider.
REJOICE! Eric Dixon has been suspended!!

The Equalizer

Quote from: brewcity77 on April 12, 2016, 01:31:59 PM
You'll get no disagreement here, but the significance of those free throws compared to an increase in eFG% isn't really comparable. Improve your eFG% by 7% as a team and it will have an impact on virtually all of your games. That's why Jay Bee asserts this, because improving from a poor FT% team of 65% to a good FT% team of 72% is worth about a point per game, but improving your eFG% from 52% to 59% would not only have made MU #1 in eFG% in the country, it would have increased their points on their 57.2 FGA per game from 59.5 ppg to 67.5 ppg. Suffice to say, the 8 point increase would have far greater impact than the 1 point FT difference.

I'm not suggesting FTs are more important than eFG. I'm just suggesting that it not insignificant, either. 

Jay Bee

Quote from: The Equalizer on April 13, 2016, 07:06:42 AM
I'm not suggesting FTs are more important than eFG. I'm just suggesting that it not insignificant, either.

Team FT% is insignificant. Too small to be bothered concerning yourself over.
REJOICE! Eric Dixon has been suspended!!