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I would wager that at least 85% of the adult mortality has a pre existing condition. At least the ones. I’ve worked with.
But the vast majority of those pre-existing conditions were not terminal, if not for the COVID infection, right?
Yep. A 65-year-old woman has diabetes. She's been managing it successfully for 20 years with meds and diet. There is no reason to believe she won't live another 10 or 15 or 20 years, get to enjoy her grandchildren and friends. Then she gets COVID-19 and dies.Without the pre-existing condition, yes, she might still be alive. But without COVID-19, she almost certainly would have lived many more years. And yet there are many who would argue that isn't really a "COVID-19 death." (I am NOT saying or suggesting MUDPT is arguing that.)
Thats fine, but at the same time, broad brush comparing those with pre-existing conditions and the general population when it comes to infection and mortality statistics isnt exactly kosher, especially when it comes to things like diabetes or asthma or the like. This entire pandemic has had news sources or commentators playing fast and loose with percentages to drum up anxiety and gain eyeballs.
40 percent of American adults are obese.13 percent of American adults have diabetes.8 percent of American adults have asthma.14 percent of American adults suffer chronic kidney disease.About 1.7 million Americans are diagnosed with cancer every year, and one in three will have it in their lifetime.These are not insignificant populations we're talking about, Wags. And again, the vast majority of COVID fatalities with comorbidities are people who would not have died if not for the COVID. Any effort to distinguish these people as "not the general population" is simply downplaying their deaths and the ravages of the disease. If 40 percent, or 1 in 3, isn't the general population, what is?
Wags ... What's your point, then? I've never thought of you as an anti-vaxxer or COVID denier, but I have no idea exactly what you're getting atThat the deaths of those with survivable pre-existing conditions - which includes hundreds of millions of Americans - is somehow different than other deaths? That the lives of those over the age of 65 are less valuable?And of course you don't want to talk about long haulers and finger quotes - nonfatal - finger quotes consequences, because doing so kind of ruins whatever point you're making.You can't seriously claims to be a person who takes science and COVID seriously while making the case that some people - excepting those with medical issues preventing it - shouldn't be vaccinated.
Whats my overall point? As I said, over a year later and we still seemingly miss the point that for many many people, the reason for vaccination is protecting the most vulnerable. Yet I feel like so much of the messaging is "get vaccinated or die/be hospitalized" which isn't likely for many people under the age of 65 and thus easy for selfish idiots to ignore. Doom and gloom isn't effective anymore other than driving clicks. I'm exhausted by the messaging so I call it out. Many others just ignore it.
Why is "protecting the vulnerable" suddenly the reason for vaccination? And why is death the only outcome that matters to you?People don't get their annual influenza shot to "protect the vulnerable." They do it to avoid getting sick.As I mentioned earlier, before the chickenpox vaccine, the chances of dying from it were less than 1 in 1,000,000. And yet we require it for schoolchildren and hardly anyone makes a fuss. Same with measles. Why is COVID different?
I’m admitting young healthy people to the hospital with very serious COVID infections,” wrote Cobia, a hospitalist at Grandview Medical Center in Birmingham, in an emotional Facebook post Sunday. “One of the last things they do before they’re intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I’m sorry, but it’s too late.”https://www.al.com/news/2021/07/im-sorry-but-its-too-late-alabama-doctor-on-treating-unvaccinated-dying-covid-patients.html
Just sayin'
More than half of of the 146 COVID-19 patients at Mercy Springfield are under the age of 60. They will be needing a 3rd COVID-19 ICU. 8 percent vaccinated:https://twitter.com/caomercysgf/status/1417871150722453506?s=21
Have we had the discussion yet about costs of vaccinated vs unvaccinated?Those who choose to go without the vaccine, get sick and require medical treatment, are (if they have insurance) paying their deductible/co pay and then relying on the vaccinated to pay for the treatment. Seems... screwed up to me.
Yep. I had thought about this a lot. It's kind of like ... um ... what's that evil word? ... welfare!
Or, um, you know, insurance.
A Yahoo News/YouGov poll conducted July 13-15 and released Tuesday found that more unvaccinated Americans think the COVID-19 vaccines pose the greater risk to their personal health than think the coronavirus poses the greater risk. https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article252919518.html?Overall, 61% of respondents said the coronavirus poses a greater risk to their personal health than the COVID-19 vaccines, while 18% said the vaccines pose a greater risk than the coronavirus and 21% said they are not sure.But when broken down by vaccination status, the poll found 29% of respondents who are not vaccinated think the virus poses the greater risk and 37% think the vaccines pose the greater risk. Another 34% said they are not sure.In other news, the majority of unvaccinated Americans are not very bright.