Is the hiring process still flawed??

[MR.HAYWARD]

Such a joke...no one questioned the 'process" when MU hired Deane.  no one questioned the 'process" when Mu hired a Coach in Crean that had never coached a game, yet some of the know it alls question the "process" so they can have an " i told you so" if Buzz fails.  Well any coach can fail, no matter how "good" the "process". 
At this point with Buzz being 2 for 2 with top 75 recruits in the upcoming class i would say it was a good "process"!!

[mviale]

would wilson make that 3? The new bigger version of the 3  amigos.

[esotericmindguy]

Looked like a joke from the outside, but it sounds like the guy has a magnetic personality.  Companies do often times hire quickly when they feel like they've found the perfect candidate.

At this point, I don't see how you can say the hiring was poor.  Really, its remarkable that a guy with no coaching experience can land a top 75 recruit in two months.  With Williams he had a previous relationship, but it sounds like Maymon was a relatively new target for MU.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Such a joke...no one questioned the 'process" when MU hired Deane.  no one questioned the 'process" when Mu hired a Coach in Crean that had never coached a game, yet some of the know it alls question the "process" so they can have an " i told you so" if Buzz fails.  Well any coach can fail, no matter how "good" the "process". 
At this point with Buzz being 2 for 2 with top 75 recruits in the upcoming class i would say it was a good "process"!!

The hiring process doesn't change a thing, it remains flawed....remains risky.  That doesn't mean it can't work nor did anyone say that it couldn't.

Now, if you also go look at almost everyone's posts that felt it was flawed, we all said to a man that he could succeed, hoped he would succeed, thought he could succeed but didn't think the risk was necessary.

Even saying all that....we'll know if he succeeded years from now (hell, there are idiots on this board that said Crean wasn't successful after 9 years....does this mean if Buzz does anything short of Crean he isn't successful?), not a 6 weeks after being hired because he got a verbal from a kid who still has to qualify....right?

Great get by Buzz.  Hope like hell the kid can get it together on the grade side because he sounds like a special talent on the court.

[MR.HAYWARD]

blah, blah, blah,  Chicos stick to your guns!!  "it was the process, by golly, it was the process".

like other posters have said...you have no idea, absolutely no idea waht the process was so to say it was flawed is lunacy!!

as esoteric... siad...
Companies do often times hire quickly when they feel like they've found the perfect candidate.

even our former coach said he would very soon be a "high, high, major coach very soon".

based on the first 40+ days days ...i like flawed processes!!!

[THEGYMBAR]

The hiring process was a joke and remains a joke. Everyone's anger was not about Buzz. What was he supposed to do, turn down the job? I believe Buzz is fearless and has nothing to lose. It might work out well for him and MU, but does not take away the fact the hiring process was incomplete and unprofessional.

Everyone that says those against the hire wanted to see Buzz fail is flat out wrong. His early success in recruiting is a reflection on him and not the admin. I believe Buzz is in great situation. He really has no expectations because no one thought he was prepared for the job.

If Buzz is successful he gets ALL of the credit in my opinion.

[RawdogDX]

Hayward you are starting all the fights here.  No matter what buzz does the process of not interviewing anyone for the ad job and then having the ad not interview anyone for the hc job is funky. 

Go buzz,  and thank god our inept process has been blessed by a higher power and seems to be working.

[THEGYMBAR]

Rawdog and Hayward---The process can be flawed and still work. A problem with a flawed process is it opensyou to up criticism. If MU came across more professional in the hiring of Buzz there would have been far less people complaining. It was not the hire but how the hire was conducted.

[Chili]

still flawed.

[RawdogDX]

gym - yep, that's what i'm saying. 

[esotericmindguy]

Rawdog and Hayward---The process can be flawed and still work. A problem with a flawed process is it opensyou to up criticism. If MU came across more professional in the hiring of Buzz there would have been far less people complaining. It was not the hire but how the hire was conducted.

Really, then the reverse could be true as well.  We could have went through this overdone process and hired some coach that did great at the University of Whoville and everyone would be happy.  Then he fails miserably. 

So basically quit whining about the "process", so far we should be lauding the hire.

[ATWizJr]

process flawed?  This is a very impressive result.  Do we care about form or substance?

[ATWizJr]

eso - right you are!

[Henry Sugar]

Are you going to post this every time Buzz does something good?

[Pakuni]

Are you going to post this every time Buzz does something good?

We'll probably see it as often as we saw remarks like "so much for consistency" when Christopherson transferred and Nick Williams and Tyshwan Taylor were released from their commitments.

[ATWizJr]

For those who felt Buzz should be given a chance before he, and by extension the process, is judged, it is gratifying to see this result. 

There are many miles to go before final judgement is in, but this first step does seem promising. It should be a reminder that the Buzz and the methodology by which he was employed by MU should be judged on actual results, good or bad, and not on perception.

[ChicosBailBonds]

For those who felt Buzz should be given a chance before he, and by extension the process, is judged, it is gratifying to see this result. 

There are many miles to go before final judgement is in, but this first step does seem promising. It should be a reminder that the Buzz and the methodology by which he was employed by MU should be judged on actual results, good or bad, and not on perception.

Exactly....so we really can't just this one then until he signs, stays eligible and produces...right?   

Again, great get by Buzz.  We'll ultimately know how good Buzz is in a few years....but it's clear Hayward has already made his decision.  I'll wait to see a few years from now before getting there.  I"m sure Hayward thought Crean sucked after signing Merritt, Diener, Wade, Novak in the first few years.... 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Rawdog and Hayward---The process can be flawed and still work. A problem with a flawed process is it opensyou to up criticism. If MU came across more professional in the hiring of Buzz there would have been far less people complaining. It was not the hire but how the hire was conducted.

Shhhh....you're not allowed to have that logical opinion don't you know.  Oh, and anything you hear from BOT members or folks that work in athletics or the university...you can't believe them either because, you know, you weren't there.    

[ChicosBailBonds]

Really, then the reverse could be true as well.  We could have went through this overdone process and hired some coach that did great at the University of Whoville and everyone would be happy.  Then he fails miserably. 

So basically quit whining about the "process", so far we should be lauding the hire.

Uhm, of course....and everyone has said that from day 1.  All hires are risky....it's the element of risk you want to take on, but none are a slam dunk. 

In fact, some would argue this signing of this kid is risky...no guarantees he signs in November, no guarantees he is academically eligible....guaranteeing a starting job to a junior in high school is a risk...but this is a risk the staff felt necessary to take.  There are risks with everything

[MR.HAYWARD]

the gym bar.... you can in no way deem the process flawed when you have no idea what the process entailed. 

additionally, the focus should entirely be on results..in as much as any process that ultimately has a bad result could be deemed bad and vice versa.

therefore to this point the process is not flawed but has been wonderful!!

In as much as Buzz has now gotten a commitment and a recommitment from the two highest rated forwards to Mu in the last 10 years!!  how flawed is that!!!  we could have had capobianco!!!

[THEGYMBAR]

Hayward--Your comments are so shallow and continually avoid the facts. You can state the process was professional because you wee part of the process? Honestly after reading your posts I believe you might be part of the process. You just do not get it.

[NYWarrior]

Buzz has now gotten a commitment and a recommitment from the two highest rated forwards to Mu in the last 10 years!! 

TC couldn't get within earshot of kids like Maymon or Williams.  nice work by Buzz

[mu_hilltopper]

Erik Williams is Tom Crean's recruit.  You can't claim Buzz "got him" because EW decided to honor his legally binding Letter of Intent, instead of breaking his word. 

[nola03]

Erik Williams is Tom Crean's recruit.  You can't claim Buzz "got him" because EW decided to honor his legally binding Letter of Intent, instead of breaking his word. 

The LOI is the exact reason why people claim EW as a Buzz recruit. He hasn't signed anything yet kept his commitment. They feel that rightfully claims him to Buzz and not Crean.

[bma725]

Erik Williams is Tom Crean's recruit.  You can't claim Buzz "got him" because EW decided to honor his legally binding Letter of Intent, instead of breaking his word. 

EW doesn't have a LOI yet.  He's not even eligible to sign one for a few more months.  There was nothing to honor but a verbal commit.