Quite The Juxtaposition

[Goose]

tower

MU players quite likely have had some "perks" over the years and that never bothered me one bit. Guys getting paid today does not bother me, it is other stuff that bothers me.

I am not sure if 100% accurate or not but I heard that Kon actually got the equivalent of a two year NIL deal at Duke. The way I heard it was he needed to stay for two years to get his money. My source is someone I trust and has been around the block and I trust him. For the record, my source is big time Badger guy and he has never shared anything with me that has not proven to be true.

[lawdog77]

The NCAA could stop this if it wanted.

How, oh wise one?

[The Sultan]

They could make student athletes employees and negotiate with them as a players union.

That's why professional athletes don't have complete freedom of movement.

[lawdog77]

They could make student athletes employees and negotiate with them as a players union.

That's why professional athletes don't have complete freedom of movement.

Not sure why college basketball players would want this. Seems to me like the college basketball player has the advantage now the way NIL is along with the freedom to move after their one year commitment is up

Would all schools be in the union, or does each school have a Local union? Can one school strike? Would seniors and others who would be going pro even want to strike? Professional sports unions are in much smaller scale than what a NCAA union would be.

[The Sultan]

Not sure why college basketball players would want this. Seems to me like the college basketball player has the advantage now the way NIL is along with the freedom to move after their one year commitment is up

Would all schools be in the union, or does each school have a Local union? Can one school strike? Would seniors and others who would be going pro even want to strike? Professional sports unions are in much smaller scale than what a NCAA union would be.

The players may want it to set parameters around working conditions and enhanced additional compensation in return for less freedom of movement.

The rest of your questions would sort themselves out.

[loid walden]

Viper; Just want to say I resonate and really appreciate your pertinent and well written explanation of your position/feeling vis a vis amateur college athletics.  I agree 99%.
Thank for articulating my feelings as well

"playing for your school, your teammates, classmates, fans, rivalries or whatever, but not for a contract"

[The Sultan]

Guys, it's not 1950 anymore. College athletics is a big time business that the players have not been allowed to adequately compensate from.

And we need to stop acting that "playing for your school, your teammates, classmates, fans" and "playing for a contract" are mutually exclusive options.

[Pakuni]

How, oh wise one?

Yep, what Sultan said.. Make athletes employees and collectively bargain with their union.

Not sure why college basketball players would want this. Seems to me like the college basketball player has the advantage now the way NIL is along with the freedom to move after their one year commitment is up

Why would professional athletes want unions?
The answer, of course, is obvious. Unions invariably boost wages, protect workers from unlawful treatment and improve working conditions.
There's the reason the NCAA - and big businesses everywhere - fight unionization, and it's not because they're looking out for the workers' best interests.

[lawdog77]

The players may want it to set parameters around working conditions and enhanced additional compensation in return for less freedom of movement.

The rest of your questions would sort themselves out.

I understand your points, but if I am a high D-1 basketball player, there is no way I would want my ability to change schools yearly to be lessened. I think the toothpaste is out of the tube on that issue. Parameters around working conditions should be discussed before the NLI is signed.

Saying the other things will work themselves out? I don't agree with that.

[lawdog77]

Yep, what Sultan said.. Make athletes employees and collectively bargain with their union.

Why would professional athletes want unions?
The answer, of course, is obvious. Unions invariably boost wages, protect workers from unlawful treatment and improve working conditions.
There's the reason the NCAA - and big businesses everywhere - fight unionization, and it's not because they're looking out for the workers' best interests.

Help me find a union where the members are required to leave the union after 4 or 5 years.  This is nowhere near a typical union.

[Uncle Rico]

Playing for dear old Alma mater

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Uncle Rico]

How, oh wise one?

The NCAA buried their heads in the sand for the last 30 years.  This day was coming long ago and they chose not to prepare or plan for it.

They've let the environment get this way in a hope the government fixes the mess they made.

You can add the conferences and university leadership across the nation as being the others to blame. 

[lawdog77]

The NCAA buried their heads in the sand for the last 30 years.  This day was coming long ago and they chose not to prepare or plan for it.

They've let the environment get this way in a hope the government fixes the mess they made.

You can add the conferences and university leadership across the nation as being the others to blame.

I wholeheartedly agree. I just think forming a union in this case would do more harm than good for the athletes.

[Pakuni]

Help me find a union where the members are required to leave the union after 4 or 5 years.  This is nowhere near a typical union.

What about this one:
https://www.uchicagogsu.org/

And this one:
https://harvardgradunion.org/

And this one:
https://bcgradunion.com/

And this one:
https://mitgsu.org/

Plus about 150 others across the country.

And you're correct, it would not be a typical union. Neither is the SAG. Or the NFLPA. Or the ALPA.
So what? Does it need to be exactly like the IBEW?

[Pakuni]

I wholeheartedly agree. I just think forming a union in this case would do more harm than good for the athletes.

How so?

[lawdog77]

Right now, there is no need for a union for D-1 basketball players. The extra money they would get from a school would not outweigh the restriction of movement that I am sure the schools would want to collectively bargain for. 

Do all D-1 basketball players have to join the union? Will all schools have to only hire union athletes?

[tower912]

When players were Creaned or Buzzcut, what was the reaction?

[Uncle Rico]

When players were Creaned or Buzzcut, what was the reaction?

Depended if the player brought in was better. 

[Pakuni]

Right now, there is no need for a union for D-1 basketball players. The extra money they would get from a school would not outweigh the restriction of movement that I am sure the schools would want to collectively bargain for. 

Neither of us have any idea if this is true. Athletes in other professional sports have decided the benefits of unionization outweigh the restrictions of movement that come with a CBA (and for good reason).

Do all D-1 basketball players have to join the union? Will all schools have to only hire union athletes?

I don't know why they would. Not all NFL players have to join the NFLPA. But I imagine, for several reasons, few would chose not to.

[wadesworld]

I managed to get through both Marquette and my Catholic high school while sharing classroom space with students driving nicer cars, living in nicer homes and having way more financial wherewithal than I.

Lol right?

Not to mention, sharing a classroom at MU with guys who flew charter flights to stay in nice hotels and have tutors follow them around the country to make sure they're getting good enough grades to keep helping the school rack up basketball wins.

The idea that these guys were your everyday, average students back before NIL is LOL funny.

[Uncle Rico]

Lol right?

Not to mention, sharing a classroom at MU with guys who flew charter flights to stay in nice hotels and have tutors follow them around the country to make sure they're getting good enough grades to keep helping the school rack up basketball wins.

The idea that these guys were your everyday, average students back before NIL is LOL funny.

Disagree.  They were students first playing for dear old Alma mater, you know, the name on the front of the jersey, not the name on the back.  Like Jimmy Butler

[lawdog77]

Neither of us have any idea if this is true. Athletes in other professional sports have decided the benefits of unionization outweigh the restrictions of movement that come with a CBA (and for good reason).


I don't know why they would. Not all NFL players have to join the NFLPA. But I imagine, for several reasons, few would chose not to.

States schools are exempt from this, correct?

[The Sultan]

Lol right?

Not to mention, sharing a classroom at MU with guys who flew charter flights to stay in nice hotels and have tutors follow them around the country to make sure they're getting good enough grades to keep helping the school rack up basketball wins.

The idea that these guys were your everyday, average students back before NIL is LOL funny.

Not to mention they didn't have to pay a dime for school because of their athletic ability.

[#UnleashSean]

Lol right?

Not to mention, sharing a classroom at MU with guys who flew charter flights to stay in nice hotels and have tutors follow them around the country to make sure they're getting good enough grades to keep helping the school rack up basketball wins.

The idea that these guys were your everyday, average students back before NIL is LOL funny.

1000%. These guys haven't been true student athletes for many many years.

[Pakuni]

States schools are exempt from this, correct?

From what?