Big East Tournament Thread

[MU_Beav]

What exactly do we gain from beating DePaul?

You want to play DePaul because they're easier to beat to get to the semi finals, yes?

[MuggsyB]

A win and an advance to the semifinals.

Villanova is #32 NET.  If you're simply looking at getting to the SF of the BET?  That's fair.  But from a Macro/Season perspective we gain absolutely nothing from playing DePaul.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Man, not getting a chance to use that foul to give...

Or their remaining time outs after the made. 

[CountryRoads]

Villanova is #32 NET.  If you're simply looking at getting to the SF of the BET?  That's fair.  But from a Macro/Season perspective we gain absolutely nothing from playing DePaul.

I'm not sure. Think it would have been a good simulation of playing a 14/15 seed in that environment with the crowd against us.

[wisblue]

Villanova is #32 NET.  If you're simply looking at getting to the SF of the BET?  That's fair.  But from a Macro/Season perspective we gain absolutely nothing from playing DePaul.

It's the postseason. There is no macro or season perspective anymore. It's survive and advance time.

If you think a win over DePaul in the BET would adversely affect MU's NCAA seeding I think you are wrong.

[MuggsyB]

I'm not sure. Think it would have been a good simulation of playing a 14/15 seed in that environment with the crowd against us.

They're significantly worse than a 14/15 seed CR.  We're talking about a team that's won 3 games and is a complete dumpster fire. Maybe it's me but I'd rather play a team that is competing for an NCAA bid. 

[MU82]

They're significantly worse than a 14/15 seed CR.  We're talking about a team that's won 3 games and is a complete dumpster fire. Maybe it's me but I'd rather play a team that is competing for an NCAA bid.

It's you.

[MuggsyB]

It's the postseason. There is no macro or season perspective anymore. It's survive and advance time.

If you think a win over DePaul in the BET would adversely affect MU's NCAA seeding I think you are wrong.

I didn't say that.  A win over them means nothing is my basic point.  Just as a loss vs Nova or Creighton means nothing as far as seeding.  But a loss to DePaul would be a disaster.  This is where I stand. 

[copious1218]

It's you.

Not to defend Muggsy, but I get his point. 4 possible outcomes for MU going in to tonight:  1) beat depaul - does nothing; 2) lose to depaul - quad 4 loss, worst of the season, likely off the 2 seed line; 3) beat nova - quad 1 win; 4) lose to nova - quad 1 loss.

[GoldenEagles03]

What exactly do we gain from beating DePaul?

Another game.

We don't really gain anything from beating Nova either in all likelihood at this point.

[wisblue]

Another point in favor of playing DePaul would be that it increases the chance that MU could have an easy win where they could spread the minutes around.

They are playing shorthanded as it is, so expending a lot of energy on Thursday night might take a toll in a game against Providence or Creighton Friday night.

Creighton getting farther in the tournament is more likely to affect MUs seed and first weekend location than whether they play DePaul or Nova tomorrow night.

[MuggsyB]

Another point in favor of playing DePaul would be that it increases the chance that MU could have an easy win where they could spread the minutes around.

They are playing shorthanded as it is, so expending a lot of energy on Thursday night might take a toll in a game against Providence or Creighton Friday night.

Creighton getting farther in the tournament is more likely to affect MUs seed and first weekend location than whether they play DePaul or Nova tomorrow night.

I think it's a debatable conversation.   

[#UnleashSean]

The Muscoop doom and gloom about playing a Villanova team who just went to a final possession against 0-20 Depaul.

Guys relax.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

Speaking on behalf of the many Marquette fans currently or soon to be in NYC and would like to see Marquette go as far as it can in the BET, yes we would rather play DePaul. Screw your macro.

[MuggsyB]

Speaking on behalf of the many Marquette fans currently or soon to be in NYC and would like to see Marquette go as far as it can in the BET, yes we would rather play DePaul. Screw your macro.

Okay.  I get the MU fans at MSG want to see us advance.   But why then would you be concerned about a team who needed a triple in the last 10 secs to beat a 3 win DePaul team? 

[PointWarrior]

The Muscoop doom and gloom about playing a Villanova team who just went to a final possession against 0-20 Depaul.

Guys relax.

Pants Pissing is the new COLE....

[lawdog77]

I think it's a debatable conversation.

It's scoop. Everything is a debatable conversation.

[wisblue]

The Muscoop doom and gloom about playing a Villanova team who just went to a final possession against 0-20 Depaul.

Guys relax.

It's not doom and gloom because everybody assumed that Villanova would be the first opponent.

But anyone who thinks that a shorthanded MU team wouldn't have a better chance of beating DePaul than Villanova is simply ignorant.

[tower912]

Thanks, DePaul.   Now, my Big East bracket is in shambles.

[rocket surgeon]

I didn't say that.  A win over them means nothing is my basic point.  Just as a loss vs Nova or Creighton means nothing as far as seeding.  But a loss to DePaul would be a disaster.  This is where I stand.

  right on Muggs!!  remember who your audience is.  scoop unfortunately doesn't have the capability for us to draw pictures...hey, maybe a request is in order

[Uncle Rico]

Best day at the Garden.  Fun and important games other than UConn/X

[Uncle Rico]

St. John's-Seton Hall previews:

https://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2024/3/13/24097933/st-johns-vs-seton-hall-mens-basketball-preview-and-game-thread

https://stormthepaint.com/posts/st-johns-embracing-pressure-heading-must-win-game-against-seton-hall

[The Sultan]

I didn't say that.  A win over them means nothing is my basic point.  Just as a loss vs Nova or Creighton means nothing as far as seeding.  But a loss to DePaul would be a disaster.  This is where I stand. 

1. That's quite the loser's mentality.

2. It wouldn't be a "disaster."

3. DePaul would be the easier path to the semis.

4. Seeding is set - it will be a 2 or 3. Not a significant difference between the two.

[Oldgym]

St. John's-Seton Hall previews:

https://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2024/3/13/24097933/st-johns-vs-seton-hall-mens-basketball-preview-and-game-thread

https://stormthepaint.com/posts/st-johns-embracing-pressure-heading-must-win-game-against-seton-hall

Wait, where's the NYPost article?

[Scoop Snoop]

1. That's quite the loser's mentality.

2. It wouldn't be a "disaster."

3. DePaul would be the easier path to the semis.

4. Seeding is set - it will be a 2 or 3. Not a significant difference between the two.

Dammit Sultan! You and wisblue have simply GOT to stop it with your rational posts.