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MU82

Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 09, 2024, 06:06:42 PM
Pretty sure the BOTUS is antisemitic, aina?

After the Hamas massacres of Oct. 7, the Israeli government also posited three war aims: uproot the Hamas military structure from Gaza; maintain Israeli security control over the territory; and prevent the Palestinian Authority (PA) from taking control of Gaza in a bid for a "two state solution" favored by Washington.

President Biden has been rhetorically very good on the first goal.

But rather than offering Israel the same unconditional and open-ended support Ukraine received, the U.S., with its European allies and international organizations including UNRWA, has been increasingly determined to force Israel to adopt American — rather than Israeli — aims on the other two points.

The president himself noted, "I also advised Israelis not to let their pain and anger mislead them into making mistakes we ourselves have made in the past."

The U.S. has not found itself under attack in the homeland since 2001, and – happily – never had more than 1,200 of our citizens tortured, raped, burned alive and beheaded in their own homes one night, or had hundreds – including babies –  kidnapped to hostile territory from those homes. So, it is unclear which American mistakes he believes Israel might make without U.S. "advice."

While the IDF operation was just getting started, Secretary of State Blinken told a Senate hearing that, after Israel succeeded in ousting Hamas, "What would make the most sense would be for an effective and revitalized Palestinian Authority to have governance and ultimately security responsibility for Gaza."

It is well-known that the PA uses tax revenues received through the Israeli government for salaries and payments to terrorists, including Hamas terrorists. Israel announced it would withhold the amount of the payments.

The PA replied it would receive all of the money — or accept none. Washington has demanded that Israel turn over the money.

In addition, U.S. officials encouraged Israel to use American tactics from Iraq, targeting Hamas leaders "using small teams of commandos, combined with precision strikes from drones and manned aircraft."

It should be noted that only a few months ago, the U.S. asked for "clarifications" over Israel's use of a drones to target terrorists for fear of a "potential loosening of rules of engagement in an area that needs to see de-escalation." During the Obama administration, there were 542 drone strikes, killing nearly 4,000 people.

Then, there was the "humanitarian-pause-that-is-not-a-ceasefire," although stopping military operations is the literal definition of a ceasefire. Hamas used the time to reorganize its forces and send messages to its operatives, thus increasing Israeli casualties when Hamas broke the ceasefire.

The U.S. parked a battleship off the coast of Lebanon while warning Israel not to attack Hezbollah. Presumably, Israel was to think that if Hezbollah entered the war, the U.S. would retaliate on Israel's behalf.

If it was meant to be a serious warning to Hezbollah, it failed. Hezbollah has maintained steady, if limited, rocket fire against Israeli civilians in the north.

The U.S. rejected Israel's request for Apache helicopters.

And in the most immediately horrific decision, the U.S. has refused to press Egypt to temporarily take Palestinian refugees into Sinai where they could receive food and medical care in safety. Tens of thousands of Palestinians are now trapped in southern Gaza and Israel will be forced to fight around them and their international organizational jailers.

The U.S. is providing Kiev with arms, money, and military carte blanche, with no timeline for success in pursuit of war aims that appear to be receding. The U.S. is providing Israel with rhetorical support, a lot of nagging and unsolicited "advice," and military restrictions

You support Jew-haters.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

The Sultan

https://x.com/shashj/status/1744680088849813975?s=46&t=ppua9BCUAa7dWM9-SthPmg

"Joe Biden wants Riyadh to resume talks over recognizing Israel in return for Israeli restraint in Gaza and the West Bank and pledges to accommodate Palestinian interests, including an eventual Palestinian state"


Smart. Glad Biden is trying to save Israel from themselves. The key is Iran.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Hards Alumni

Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 09, 2024, 03:45:46 AM
Much tado 'bout nothin', aina?

Lol if that was antifa breaking into the capitol building you'd be suggesting they should be executed.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Hards Alumni on January 10, 2024, 07:26:41 AM
Lol if that was antifa breaking into the capitol building you'd be suggesting they should be executed.

To be fair, it was Antifa that perpetrated 1-6.  Get out of your lame stream media bubble
Guster is for Lovers

MU82

The previous president is now publicly rooting for the economy to collapse, a situation that would severely hurt tens of millions of Americans.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

4everwarriors

"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

Uncle Rico

Quote from: MU82 on January 10, 2024, 07:40:37 AM
The previous president is now publicly rooting for the economy to collapse, a situation that would severely hurt tens of millions of Americans.

Some scoopers rooting against it, too
Guster is for Lovers

MUBurrow

Quote from: MU82 on January 10, 2024, 07:40:37 AM
The previous president is now publicly rooting for the economy to collapse, a situation that would severely hurt tens of millions of Americans.

Just what happens when the generation that never had any intention of planting trees they'd never sit under reaches the supernova stage in their life cycle.

WellsstreetWanderer

Quote from: MU82 on January 10, 2024, 07:40:37 AM
The previous president is now publicly rooting for the economy to collapse, a situation that would severely hurt tens of millions of Americans.

  You must also be concerned about the 12 million who have crossed our borders unvetted that surely will severely impact tens of millions of Americans.

jesmu84

Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on January 10, 2024, 11:27:26 AM
  You must also be concerned about the 12 million who have crossed our borders unvetted that surely will severely impact tens of millions of Americans.

Nope. We need the workforce - it allows for the elderly to choose retirement and allows for children to stay in school.

The Sultan

Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on January 10, 2024, 11:27:26 AM
  You must also be concerned about the 12 million who have crossed our borders unvetted that surely will severely impact tens of millions of Americans.

12 million? Over what time frame?

Anyway, I am not overly concerned. Quickest solution to the labor force shortages we see now.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Uncle Rico

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 10, 2024, 11:37:14 AM
12 million? Over what time frame?

Anyway, I am not overly concerned. Quickest solution to the labor force shortages we see now.

Problem is, these 12 million are all gang members
Guster is for Lovers

Pakuni


jesmu84


rocky_warrior

Quote from: jesmu84 on January 10, 2024, 12:27:01 PM
We let fish cross the border???

Yes, they're usually murderers that carry a high disease rate!

https://www.wildlife.utah.gov/news/utah-wildlife-news/1738-reminder-to-not-ditch-a-fish-after-illegal-introductions-to-4-waterbodies-in-2023.html
QuoteIllegal fish species can prey on and outcompete other fish species, including sportfish, native fish and endangered fish species.
The new fish can introduce disease because they weren't properly tested before being dumped into that waterbody.

forgetful

Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 10, 2024, 01:36:30 PM
Yes, they're usually murderers that carry a high disease rate!

https://www.wildlife.utah.gov/news/utah-wildlife-news/1738-reminder-to-not-ditch-a-fish-after-illegal-introductions-to-4-waterbodies-in-2023.html

Now this is a real problem. They better not be harming the Walleye population. There aren't enough of them to go around as it is.

Pakuni



Uncle Rico

Quote from: forgetful on January 10, 2024, 02:52:30 PM
No wonder so many people want to move to Idaho.

Why are they considered invasive?  Maybe the other fish are just dumb
Guster is for Lovers

Pakuni

Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 10, 2024, 03:02:03 PM
Why are they considered invasive?  Maybe the other fish are just dumb

They're being bused into Boise by Tony Evers and Tim Walz.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Pakuni on January 10, 2024, 03:11:05 PM
They're being bused into Boise by Tony Evers and Tim Walz.

Hope Idaho doesn't retaliate by sending any citizens.  I've seen Yellowstone.  Not good people
Guster is for Lovers

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on January 10, 2024, 11:27:26 AM
  You must also be concerned about the 12 million who have crossed our borders unvetted that surely will severely impact tens of millions of Americans.
That's EXACTLY like actively cheering for the economy to collapse. Yes indeed.
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

The Sultan

Huh.

https://x.com/IsraeliPM/status/1745186120109846710?s=20

Prime Minister of Israel
@IsraeliPM
"I want to make a few points absolutely clear: Israel has no intention of permanently occupying Gaza or displacing its civilian population. Israel is fighting Hamas terrorists, not the Palestinian population, and we are doing so in full compliance with international law."


https://x.com/IsraeliPM/status/1745186125839204578?s=20

Prime Minister of Israel
@IsraeliPM
PM Netanyahu: "Our goal is to rid Gaza of Hamas terrorists and free our hostages. Once this is achieved Gaza can be demilitarized and deradicalized, thereby creating a possibility for a better future for Israel and Palestinians alike."
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Mutaman

Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 10, 2024, 07:36:57 AM
To be fair, it was Antifa that perpetrated 1-6.  Get out of your lame stream media bubble

No question about it.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErGLUB7XMAcxbfg?format=jpg&name=medium

jesmu84

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 10, 2024, 03:58:30 PM
Huh.

https://x.com/IsraeliPM/status/1745186120109846710?s=20

Prime Minister of Israel
@IsraeliPM
"I want to make a few points absolutely clear: Israel has no intention of permanently occupying Gaza or displacing its civilian population. Israel is fighting Hamas terrorists, not the Palestinian population, and we are doing so in full compliance with international law."


https://x.com/IsraeliPM/status/1745186125839204578?s=20

Prime Minister of Israel
@IsraeliPM
PM Netanyahu: "Our goal is to rid Gaza of Hamas terrorists and free our hostages. Once this is achieved Gaza can be demilitarized and deradicalized, thereby creating a possibility for a better future for Israel and Palestinians alike."

Why have his ministers said differently?

I would guess they're a bit afraid of the outcome of the genocide trial at the ICJ

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