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Pakuni

Quote from: MU82 on December 22, 2023, 12:00:43 PM
For me, the question isn't about Palestinians, it's about Hamas terrorists.

Until they are defeated, every other discussion is on hold IMHO.

I'm not saying you and others should avoid discussing this or any other topic. I'm saying that for me, it makes no sense to discuss hypothetical situations while the terrorists who boldly attacked Israel still strive to kill all Jews in Israel.

What does "Hamas terrorists defeated" look like? What's Israel's "Mission Accomplished " moment?

MU82

Quote from: Pakuni on December 22, 2023, 12:03:19 PM
What does "Hamas terrorists defeated" look like? What's Israel's "Mission Accomplished " moment?

That's a good question. We do not know the answer today. Hopefully we'll get a chance to find out in the not-too-distant future.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Hards Alumni

Quote from: MU82 on December 22, 2023, 12:00:43 PM
For me, the question isn't about Palestinians, it's about Hamas terrorists.

Until they are defeated, every other discussion is on hold IMHO.

I'm not saying you and others should avoid discussing this or any other topic. I'm saying that for me, it makes no sense to discuss hypothetical situations while the terrorists who boldly attacked Israel still strive to kill all Jews in Israel.

I've stated this before, but eliminating Hamas and Islamic Jihad is going to be impossible.  Just like holding Iraq and Afghanistan was.

So they should start talking.

4everwarriors

If you believe eliminating terrorists is impossible, then talkin' is a complete waste of time and totally futile, hey?


#fromtheJordanrivertotheMediterreanseaandPalestinewillbefree

#neveragain
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

Hards Alumni

Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 22, 2023, 12:51:06 PM
If you believe eliminating terrorists is impossible, then talkin' is a complete waste of time and totally futile, hey?


#fromtheJordanrivertotheMediterreanseaandPalestinewillbefree

#neveragain

I don't think it, I know it.  The facts are on my side, sir.

The Sultan

The only way you can defeat terrorism is to give people a more viable alternative.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 22, 2023, 12:52:49 PM
I don't think it, I know it.  The facts are on my side, sir.

Correct.  We can't even eliminate domestic terrorists.  Some won't even condemn it.  Heck, some people are voting for a domestic terrorist supporter
Guster is for Lovers

lawdog77

Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 22, 2023, 12:51:06 PM
If you believe eliminating terrorists is impossible, then talkin' is a complete waste of time and totally futile, hey?


#fromtheJordanrivertotheMediterreanseaandPalestinewillbefree

#neveragain
Eliminating all terrorists is impossible. Specific terrorists not impossible. What takes their place, though? Completely eliminating lines of communication/negotiations does not work. History proves that.

lawdog77

Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 22, 2023, 01:00:18 PM
Correct.  We can't even eliminate domestic terrorists.  Some won't even condemn it.  Heck, some people are voting for a domestic terrorist supporter
Waiting for the BLM reference in 3....2.....1....

Not all scoop users are created equal apparently

People actually still having something to lose like their home and food on the table usually is a good start to slowing radicalization.
" There are two things I can consistently smell.    Poop and Chlorine.  All poop smells like acrid baby poop mixed with diaper creme. And almost anything that smells remotely like poop; porta-johns, water filtration plants, fertilizer, etc., smells exactly the same." - Tower912

Re: COVID-19

Uncle Rico

Quote from: lawdog77 on December 22, 2023, 01:00:28 PM
Eliminating all terrorists is impossible. Specific terrorists not impossible. What takes their place, though? Completely eliminating lines of communication/negotiations does not work. History proves that.

This is correct.

It's also correct you fight back against terrorism and try and defeat it.  Anyone expecting to eliminate it is simply naive. 
Guster is for Lovers

Heisenberg

To all those who think what Israel is doing will radicalize more terrorists, you might have it backward.

Maybe what the Palestinians and Hamas have done over the decades has radicalized Israel, as the country is solidly united behind permanently removing the threat for all time.  And doing whatever it takes.

Consider the courage it takes a mother to say this because she sincerely believes what they are doing is right and necessary, like most of the country.

And no intellectual argument here, or anywhere in the West, is going to matter. What is going to matter is a way to get the rockets to stop and the terrorism to stop forever, and Israel will not stop until this goal is achieved.

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Mother of Israeli hostage issues forgiving message to IDF soldiers who accidentally shot her son
https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/mother-of-israeli-hostage-issues-forgiving-message-to-idf-soldiers-who-accidentally-shot-her-son-ikp84ui1
Iris Haim, mother of Yotam Haim, invites soldiers to her home and tells them: 'I love and appreciate you. I have no anger'

Addressing soldiers of the Bislamach Brigade's 17th Battalion, Iris said: "I wanted to tell you that I love you very much, that I hug you here from afar, and I know that what happened is not your fault at all. I ask you to take care of yourself".

She said the soldiers "are doing the best thing in the world that can help us, as the people of Israel. We all need you healthy".

Iris also asked the soldiers not to hesitate, adding: "If you see a terrorist, don't think you killed a hostage on purpose. You need to protect yourself because that's the only way you can protect us."

---

Earlier today, she met the soldier who killed her son and forgave him.

Soldier from battalion that mistakenly shot hostages meets mom of one of those killed
https://www.timesofisrael.com/soldier-from-battalion-that-mistakenly-shot-hostages-meets-mom-of-one-of-those-killed/

Hards Alumni

Quote from: Not A Serious Person on December 22, 2023, 01:14:07 PM
To all those who think what Israel is doing will radicalize more terrorists, you might have it backward.

Maybe what the Palestinians and Hamas have done over the decades has radicalized Israel, as the country is solidly united behind permanently removing the threat for all time.  And doing whatever it takes.

Consider the courage it takes a mother to say this because she sincerely believes what they are doing is right and necessary, like most of the country.

And no intellectual argument here, or anywhere in the West, is going to matter. What is going to matter is a way to get the rockets to stop and the terrorism to stop forever, and Israel will not stop until this goal is achieved.

---

Mother of Israeli hostage issues forgiving message to IDF soldiers who accidentally shot her son
https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/mother-of-israeli-hostage-issues-forgiving-message-to-idf-soldiers-who-accidentally-shot-her-son-ikp84ui1
Iris Haim, mother of Yotam Haim, invites soldiers to her home and tells them: 'I love and appreciate you. I have no anger'

Addressing soldiers of the Bislamach Brigade's 17th Battalion, Iris said: "I wanted to tell you that I love you very much, that I hug you here from afar, and I know that what happened is not your fault at all. I ask you to take care of yourself".

She said the soldiers "are doing the best thing in the world that can help us, as the people of Israel. We all need you healthy".

Iris also asked the soldiers not to hesitate, adding: "If you see a terrorist, don't think you killed a hostage on purpose. You need to protect yourself because that's the only way you can protect us."

---

Earlier today, she met the soldier who killed her son and forgave him.

Soldier from battalion that mistakenly shot hostages meets mom of one of those killed
https://www.timesofisrael.com/soldier-from-battalion-that-mistakenly-shot-hostages-meets-mom-of-one-of-those-killed/

God, you're stupid.

Pakuni

Quote from: Not A Serious Person on December 22, 2023, 01:14:07 PM
To all those who think what Israel is doing will radicalize more terrorists, you might have it backward.

Maybe what the Palestinians and Hamas have done over the decades has radicalized Israel, as the country is solidly united behind permanently removing the threat for all time.  And doing whatever it takes.

I'll see your decades of history and raise you an unrelated anecdote.

cheebs09

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on December 22, 2023, 12:58:35 PM
The only way you can defeat terrorism is to give people a more viable alternative.

I believe someone here has a multiple point plan that can solve this issue for us.

Heisenberg

About all the concerns about the hospitals in Gaza

Gaza hospital director admits Hamas used medical complex as operational hub
https://www.timesofisrael.com/gaza-hospital-director-admits-hamas-used-medical-complex-as-operational-hub/
The director of Gaza's Kamal Adwan hospital in Jabaliya has revealed in a Shin Bet interrogation that his northern Gaza hospital was turned into a military facility under Hamas's control and that at one point, it had housed a kidnapped soldier.

In footage published on Tuesday by the Shin Bet and Israel Defense Forces, hospital director Ahmed Kahlot could be seen telling an Israeli interrogator that Hamas had offices inside the hospital and used it as a base for operational activity.

According to Kahlot, who said he has been a lieutenant colonel in Hamas since 2010, some 16 members of the hospital's staff — including doctors, nurses and paramedics — were Hamas operatives serving in the al-Qassam Brigades, the military wing of the terror organization.


Hards Alumni

Quote from: Not A Serious Person on December 22, 2023, 02:38:48 PM
About all the concerns about the hospitals in Gaza

Gaza hospital director admits Hamas used medical complex as operational hub
https://www.timesofisrael.com/gaza-hospital-director-admits-hamas-used-medical-complex-as-operational-hub/
The director of Gaza's Kamal Adwan hospital in Jabaliya has revealed in a Shin Bet interrogation that his northern Gaza hospital was turned into a military facility under Hamas's control and that at one point, it had housed a kidnapped soldier.

In footage published on Tuesday by the Shin Bet and Israel Defense Forces, hospital director Ahmed Kahlot could be seen telling an Israeli interrogator that Hamas had offices inside the hospital and used it as a base for operational activity.

According to Kahlot, who said he has been a lieutenant colonel in Hamas since 2010, some 16 members of the hospital's staff — including doctors, nurses and paramedics — were Hamas operatives serving in the al-Qassam Brigades, the military wing of the terror organization.


Not all scoop users are created equal apparently

" There are two things I can consistently smell.    Poop and Chlorine.  All poop smells like acrid baby poop mixed with diaper creme. And almost anything that smells remotely like poop; porta-johns, water filtration plants, fertilizer, etc., smells exactly the same." - Tower912

Re: COVID-19

NCMUFan

After 172 web pages of posts, what have we Scoopers accomplished?

Hards Alumni

Quote from: NCMUFan on December 22, 2023, 04:12:34 PM
After 172 web pages of posts, what have we Scoopers accomplished?

It's about the journey, not the destination.

The Sultan

"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Pakuni

Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 22, 2023, 04:17:16 PM
It's about the journey, not the destination.

If you're all about the destination, then take a fu--ing flight.

Not all scoop users are created equal apparently

Quote from: NCMUFan on December 22, 2023, 04:12:34 PM
After 172 web pages of posts, what have we Scoopers accomplished?

That people are just jealous Elon haters
" There are two things I can consistently smell.    Poop and Chlorine.  All poop smells like acrid baby poop mixed with diaper creme. And almost anything that smells remotely like poop; porta-johns, water filtration plants, fertilizer, etc., smells exactly the same." - Tower912

Re: COVID-19

Heisenberg

Harvard controversy casts spotlight on Penny Pritzker, former Obama official atop university board

https://jewishinsider.com/2023/12/penny-pritzker-harvard-president-claudine-gay-barack-obama/

Obama privately lobbied on Harvard President Claudine Gay's behalf as she faces growing scrutiny

—-

embattled president, Claudine Gay, amid mounting backlash over her handling of campus antisemitism and new accusations of plagiarism, Penny Pritzker, who helms the university's highest governing body, has so far remained conspicuously silent, drawing fresh scrutiny to her role atop the administration.

Pritzker, the billionaire Chicago hotel scion and former Obama administration official, was elected senior fellow of the Harvard Corporation last year, months after she had donated $100 million to the university. In her new position, she personally led the search committee that named Gay as president last December, praising her in an announcement at the time as "a remarkable leader who is profoundly devoted to sustaining and enhancing Harvard's academic excellence."

Notwithstanding her initial enthusiasm, Pritzker has in recent weeks avoided personally defending the newly installed president, who has faced calls to resign, instead joining a statement signed by the 11 members of Harvard's top board, which has been criticized for a lack of transparency.

The Sultan

Quote from: Not A Serious Person on December 23, 2023, 04:26:54 AM
Harvard controversy casts spotlight on Penny Pritzker, former Obama official atop university board

https://jewishinsider.com/2023/12/penny-pritzker-harvard-president-claudine-gay-barack-obama/

Obama privately lobbied on Harvard President Claudine Gay's behalf as she faces growing scrutiny

—-

embattled president, Claudine Gay, amid mounting backlash over her handling of campus antisemitism and new accusations of plagiarism, Penny Pritzker, who helms the university's highest governing body, has so far remained conspicuously silent, drawing fresh scrutiny to her role atop the administration.

Pritzker, the billionaire Chicago hotel scion and former Obama administration official, was elected senior fellow of the Harvard Corporation last year, months after she had donated $100 million to the university. In her new position, she personally led the search committee that named Gay as president last December, praising her in an announcement at the time as "a remarkable leader who is profoundly devoted to sustaining and enhancing Harvard's academic excellence."

Notwithstanding her initial enthusiasm, Pritzker has in recent weeks avoided personally defending the newly installed president, who has faced calls to resign, instead joining a statement signed by the 11 members of Harvard's top board, which has been criticized for a lack of transparency.



I heard Obama's black preacher was the problem.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

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