Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[The Sultan]

I suspect your knowledge of what MLK advocated starts and ends with a 20-second clip of one speech.

Whatever makes him comfortable

[Pakuni]

   whatever pakman...suspect away

Some MLK quotes you no doubt agree with. The third seems especially relevant.

"The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and racism. The problems of racial injustice and economic injustice cannot be solved without a radical redistribution of political and economic power".

"White Americans must recognize that justice for black people cannot  be achieved without radical changes in the structure of our society."

"Whites, it must frankly be said, are not putting in a similar mass  effort to reeducate themselves out of their racial ignorance. It is an  aspect of their sense of superiority that the white people of America  believe they have so little to learn."


"Again we have deluded ourselves into believing the myth that capitalism grew and prospered out of the Protestant ethic of hard work and sacrifices. Capitalism was built on the exploitation of black slaves and continues to thrive on the exploitation of the poor, both black and white, both here and abroad."

[Lennys Tap]

https://x.com/ryan_ken_acts/status/1720086842698297467?s=46&t=ppua9BCUAa7dWM9-SthPmg


"Everyone loves me know just like everybody loved me back then. That's why I died of natural causes at the age of 98."

A lot of truth in what Ryan Ken says. Those were tumultuous times, things were changing rapidly. But just like the Bible, everyone can find a favorite MLK quote to try to put him in a box. It wasn't that simple, and had he not been assassinated it  almost surely would have become more complex.

[MU82]

Elon endorsed antisemitism.

Period.

[jesmu84]

really?  you want a source for what MLK advocated?  like i just made some chit up?  you know, the color blind society?  you need a source for that?  come on man?

I'd like a source for "most everyone at the time seemed to agree with"

[Hards Alumni]

A lot of truth in what Ryan Ken says. Those were tumultuous times, things were changing rapidly. But just like the Bible, everyone can find a favorite MLK quote to try to put him in a box. It wasn't that simple, and had he not been assassinated it  almost surely would have become more complex.

"He'd have come around to my side eventually, I know this as an old white boomer".

[Uncle Rico]

Pretty interesting stuff on page 170 until 4elder, Heisey and Rocket decide Harvard's president is the biggest problem in the Middle East

And then MLK discussion with boomers telling us what MLK really thought

Bet MLK would pal around with Elon and golf with Trump

[Uncle Rico]

Elon endorsed antisemitism.

Period.

Yup.  He continues to promote it on his social media site.  But he's in the protected class of billionaires

[lawdog77]

Some MLK quotes you no doubt agree with. The third seems especially relevant.

"The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and racism. The problems of racial injustice and economic injustice cannot be solved without a radical redistribution of political and economic power".

"White Americans must recognize that justice for black people cannot  be achieved without radical changes in the structure of our society."

"Whites, it must frankly be said, are not putting in a similar mass  effort to reeducate themselves out of their racial ignorance. It is an  aspect of their sense of superiority that the white people of America  believe they have so little to learn."


"Again we have deluded ourselves into believing the myth that capitalism grew and prospered out of the Protestant ethic of hard work and sacrifices. Capitalism was built on the exploitation of black slaves and continues to thrive on the exploitation of the poor, both black and white, both here and abroad."

+100. MLK wanted all people to be treated equal. How we get to that place is how many people like to gloss over.

[rocket surgeon]

+100. MLK wanted all people to be treated equal. How we get to that place is how many people like to gloss over.

thank you dog!  this shouldn't have to be complicated.  i'm not sure what the "others" are looking for, but it i won't be surprised if they eventually conclude that mlk was really a white supremacist

[lawdog77]

thank you dog!  this shouldn't have to be complicated.  i'm not sure what the "others" are looking for, but it i won't be surprised if they eventually conclude that mlk was really a white supremacist

I think you might be missing Pakuni's point.

[Uncle Rico]

I think you might be missing Pakuni's point.

He is.  But that's hardly surprising. 

Wonder if Rocket would fire MLK for shaving his head to support a friend who had cancer?

[NCMUFan]

Good morning entertainment with my cup of coffee.

[Hards Alumni]

I think you might be missing Pakuni's point.

He never read it.  He read yours because it was much shorter and agreed with what he wanted to see. 

He is literally the poster child for this behavior.  Reading the news for him is just the headlines or having it read to him on cable news.

[MU82]

My sister-in-law has been writing regular Facebook updates from Tel Aviv.

Today she praised the Biden Administration, specifically Blinken for saying:  "Why doesn't anyone ask Hamas to lay down its weapons?  I don't hear anyone asking Hamas to stop hiding behind civilians, lay down its weapons and surrender, if that happens, it will be over tomorrow.  How is it that no one wants anything from the attacker and everyone wants from the victim?"

For those who missed my earlier references to my sister-in-law, she mostly liked Trump's stances on issues involving Israel and mostly disagreed with Obama's stances. She was a Bibi supporter until fairly recently; she wants him gone now. She mostly thinks Biden is doing a very good job, especially considering the complexity of the situation. If she were an American, I'd classify her as a right-of-center moderate.

My brother (who has dual citizenship) is left of her, voted for Obama and would never vote for Trump, but he agrees with her on most Israel-related issues. He is appreciative of Biden's strong support for Israel in particular and Judaism in general.

[NCMUFan]

Good points.
I hope Biden continues his support.

[Hards Alumni]

Good points.
I hope Biden continues his support.

It's America and Israel.  There will always be support, no need to hope.

They're our de facto colony in the Middle East.

[NCMUFan]

Maybe at one time.
But at $33 trillion in debt.
Doesn't the world own the USA?

[Hards Alumni]

Maybe at one time.
But at $33 trillion in debt.
Doesn't the world own the USA?

No.  Most of that money is owed to the US citizens and is spread out over decades for payment.

The highest holder of US debt is Japan, and they own just over $1.1 trillion.

Debt rises and GDP rises. 

[The Sultan]

Oh it's cute that people care about the national debt again!

[JWags85]

No doubt your BIL's feelings here are understandable, but what might he say is the best hope for a resolution, if not a two-state solution?
The status quo clearly is a disaster for both sides. I can't imagine perpetual occupation would be any better, nor would Israel ever annex Gaza and the West Bank and offer its inhabitants a path to citizenship.
Every option seems fraught with peril, but I don't see any with a better chance of establishing something close to long-term stability (and even security?) for either side than a two-state setup.
But I'm open to other ideas.

I might not have phrased it properly, but he/his family would be supportive of a two state solution with reasonable and pragmatic Palestinian leadership.  They are uneasy about a two state solution if the Palestinian state is controlled/ruled by Hamas or similar Hamas/PIJ loyalist factions. 

A leadership group that is committed to actually improving the lives of the Palestinian people, instead of making Israel an enemy that needs to be eradicated or using Israel as a scapegoat for the plight of Palestinians while financially enriching themselves, would change the tone for them, and I imagine for many in the "against a 2 state solution" vote in previous polls.

[NCMUFan]

Oh it's cute that people care about the national debt again!

Thank you for thinking so!

[Heisenberg]

My sister-in-law has been writing regular Facebook updates from Tel Aviv.

Today she praised the Biden Administration, specifically Blinken for saying:  "Why doesn't anyone ask Hamas to lay down its weapons?  I don't hear anyone asking Hamas to stop hiding behind civilians, lay down its weapons and surrender, if that happens, it will be over tomorrow.  How is it that no one wants anything from the attacker and everyone wants from the victim?"

For those who missed my earlier references to my sister-in-law, she mostly liked Trump's stances on issues involving Israel and mostly disagreed with Obama's stances. She was a Bibi supporter until fairly recently; she wants him gone now. She mostly thinks Biden is doing a very good job, especially considering the complexity of the situation. If she were an American, I'd classify her as a right-of-center moderate.

My brother (who has dual citizenship) is left of her, voted for Obama and would never vote for Trump, but he agrees with her on most Israel-related issues. He is appreciative of Biden's strong support for Israel in particular and Judaism in general.

Good post. Your SIL is spot on.

[forgetful]

My sister-in-law has been writing regular Facebook updates from Tel Aviv.

Today she praised the Biden Administration, specifically Blinken for saying:  "Why doesn't anyone ask Hamas to lay down its weapons?  I don't hear anyone asking Hamas to stop hiding behind civilians, lay down its weapons and surrender, if that happens, it will be over tomorrow.  How is it that no one wants anything from the attacker and everyone wants from the victim?"

For those who missed my earlier references to my sister-in-law, she mostly liked Trump's stances on issues involving Israel and mostly disagreed with Obama's stances. She was a Bibi supporter until fairly recently; she wants him gone now. She mostly thinks Biden is doing a very good job, especially considering the complexity of the situation. If she were an American, I'd classify her as a right-of-center moderate.

My brother (who has dual citizenship) is left of her, voted for Obama and would never vote for Trump, but he agrees with her on most Israel-related issues. He is appreciative of Biden's strong support for Israel in particular and Judaism in general.

There is no right or wrong answer to this question, but I'm kind of curious as to what Scoopers think would happen if the Palestinians put down all weapons right now. How would the lives of Palestinians change in 1-year, 2-years, 5-years?

[MU82]

There is no right or wrong answer to this question, but I'm kind of curious as to what Scoopers think would happen if the Palestinians put down all weapons right now. How would the lives of Palestinians change in 1-year, 2-years, 5-years?

For me, the question isn't about Palestinians, it's about Hamas terrorists.

Until they are defeated, every other discussion is on hold IMHO.

I'm not saying you and others should avoid discussing this or any other topic. I'm saying that for me, it makes no sense to discuss hypothetical situations while the terrorists who boldly attacked Israel still strive to kill all Jews in Israel.