Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[Hards Alumni]

Israel has the means to end and win this war in a very short timeframe if only the Buffoon and Blinken would quit trying to orchestrate it, aina?

Dream on.

[jesmu84]

Israel has the means to end and win this war in a very short timeframe if only the Buffoon and Blinken would quit trying to orchestrate it, aina?

What are those "means"?

How is the Biden administration obstructing that?

[NCMUFan]

Dream on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89dGC8de0CA

[4everwarriors]

What are those "means"?

How is the Biden administration obstructing that?

Israel has the manpower and the arsenal to send Hamas into permanent darkness. The administration is attempting to pressure Bibi toward a 2 state solution. That will never be an option as long as one side's only objective is the destruction of Israel and all its people and will not stop at anything else short of that, hey?

[Jockey]

Israel has the manpower and the arsenal to send Hamas into permanent darkness. The administration is attempting to pressure Bibi toward a 2 state solution. That will never be an option as long as one side's only objective is the destruction of Israel and all its people and will not stop at anything else short of that, hey?

Expected stupidity from you.

The US had the manpower and the arsenal to defeat the Vietnamese.

The US had the manpower and the arsenal to defeat the Iraqis.

The US had the manpower and the arsenal to defeat the Afghanis.

[reinko]

Israel has the manpower and the arsenal to send Hamas into permanent darkness. The administration is attempting to pressure Bibi toward a 2 state solution. That will never be an option as long as one side's only objective is the destruction of Israel and all its people and will not stop at anything else short of that, hey?

Honest question, than why are we sending them money and arms?

[Skatastrophy]

Expected stupidity from you.

The US had the manpower and the arsenal to defeat the Vietnamese.

The US had the manpower and the arsenal to defeat the Iraqis.

The US had the manpower and the arsenal to defeat the Afghanis.

I think the point is that a few people in this thread don't agree with limited warfare. Asymmetric warfare is frustrating for older folks, but for younger folks it's all we've ever known.

[Jockey]

I think the point is that a few people in this thread don't agree with limited warfare. Asymmetric warfare is frustrating for older folks, but for younger folks it's all we've ever known.

Yup. That was the point I was making. I don't know that it has much to do with age, though.

[4everwarriors]

Honest question, than why are we sending them money and arms?

Because Israel is our only democratic ally in the Middle East. This administration and the democratic party is doing their best to test that relationship, aina?

[reinko]

Because Israel is our only democratic ally in the Middle East. This administration and the democratic party is doing their best to test that relationship, aina?

Again, just asking.  You said they don't need our arms, money, or strategy.  So we give them arms and money, then say do whatever you want?

[jesmu84]

Israel has the manpower and the arsenal to send Hamas into permanent darkness. The administration is attempting to pressure Bibi toward a 2 state solution. That will never be an option as long as one side's only objective is the destruction of Israel and all its people and will not stop at anything else short of that, hey?

Are you referring to nuclear weapons?

Is it your opinion that all Palestinians want the destruction of Israel and would not accept a 2 state solution? Do you believe all Israelis would support a 2 state solution?

[4everwarriors]

When Palestinians are willing to be suicide bombers and use their children as human shields, there is no peaceful solution. Their goal is elimination of Israel and its people. They want the entire country. That's what is meant by "from the (Jordan) river to the (Mediterranean) sea Palestine will be free." Therefore, a 2 state solution will never be a possibility.
As for Israeli's acceptance of a 2 state solution, I am not sure what percentage would welcome it, but probably many would. However, opposition would be significant as well. Regardless, in theory, its sounds reasonable. In reality, it will never work, hey?

[Pakuni]

When Palestinians are willing to be suicide bombers and use their children as human shields, there is no peaceful solution. Their goal is elimination of Israel and its people. They want the entire country. That's what is meant by "from the (Jordan) river to the (Mediterranean) sea Palestine will be free." Therefore, a 2 state solution will never be a possibility.
As for Israeli's acceptance of a 2 state solution, I am not sure what percentage would welcome it, but probably many would. However, opposition would be significant as well. Regardless, in theory, its sounds reasonable. In reality, it will never work, hey?

And of course you're wrong about this.

By and large, Gazans do not share Hamas's goal of eliminating the state of Israel. When presented with three possible solutions to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (as well as an option to choose "other"), the majority of survey respondents (54 percent) favored the two-state solution outlined in the 1993 Oslo accords. Overall, 73 percent of Gazans favored a peaceful settlement to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. On the eve of Hamas's October 7 attack, just 20 percent of Gazans favored a military solution that could result in the destruction of the state of Israel.
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/israel/what-palestinians-really-think-hamas

[MU82]

Israel has the means to end and win this war in a very short timeframe if only the Buffoon and Blinken would quit trying to orchestrate it, aina?

You have such a bad case of BDS you have suspended all truth and logic about Israel - if you ever had any.

Shaddup and drill, and let those who actually know what's going on do the work.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

You look so cute on your soap box.

Buy me dinner first honey

[jesmu84]

When Palestinians are willing to be suicide bombers and use their children as human shields, there is no peaceful solution. Their goal is elimination of Israel and its people. They want the entire country. That's what is meant by "from the (Jordan) river to the (Mediterranean) sea Palestine will be free." Therefore, a 2 state solution will never be a possibility.
As for Israeli's acceptance of a 2 state solution, I am not sure what percentage would welcome it, but probably many would. However, opposition would be significant as well. Regardless, in theory, its sounds reasonable. In reality, it will never work, hey?

Were you referring to use of nuclear weapons earlier?

Do you think there are a majority of Israelis who want the entire country only for themselves?

[NCMUFan]

Buy me dinner first honey

Sorry, have a beautiful wife I am faithful to.

[4everwarriors]

Were you referring to use of nuclear weapons earlier?

Do you think there are a majority of Israelis who want the entire country only for themselves?

Yes, it is their country since 1948. There never was a Palestine. As for your first question, chumps like Hamas can be taken out with conventional warfare. But hey, its war and everything is on the table when your existence as a country is at stake, aina?

[4everwarriors]

You have such a bad case of BDS you have suspended all truth and logic about Israel - if you ever had any.

Shaddup and drill, and let those who actually know what's going on do the work.

What exactly have I stated that you find untruthful? Yeah, probably should be workin' more than 10 hours/day to meet the demand. So, appreciate the advice, hey?

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Sorry, have a beautiful wife I am faithful to.

I'd knock off the flirting then before you run astray. Ok back to...whatever this is

[The Sultan]

Yes, it is their country since 1948. There never was a Palestine.

So? There wasn't an "Israel" for a few millennia and hardly any Jews lived there when it was re-formed.

[MU82]

What exactly have I stated that you find untruthful? Yeah, probably should be workin' more than 10 hours/day to meet the demand. So, appreciate the advice, hey?

Biden is far more popular in Israel than you think.

And he's far more popular there than your hero is in the United States, where a new poll shows that 58% of voters surveyed believe the Insurrectionist-In-Chief committed serious federal crimes, including 66% of independent voters.

He also supports and accepts support from antisemites, but that won't stop you from being all-in on him.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/un-human-rights-office-opt-unlawful-killings-gaza-city

Yikes

[JWags85]

And of course you're wrong about this.

By and large, Gazans do not share Hamas's goal of eliminating the state of Israel. When presented with three possible solutions to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (as well as an option to choose "other"), the majority of survey respondents (54 percent) favored the two-state solution outlined in the 1993 Oslo accords. Overall, 73 percent of Gazans favored a peaceful settlement to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. On the eve of Hamas's October 7 attack, just 20 percent of Gazans favored a military solution that could result in the destruction of the state of Israel.
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/israel/what-palestinians-really-think-hamas

The tragic thing for the innocent Palestinian civilian population is they have no competent or pragmatic leadership advocating for them.  They have the savagery of Hamas or the impotent corruption of guys like Abbas.  It's very much like the old Narcos way of "plomo o plata", these guys only know violence or lining their pockets while "advocating" for the Palestinians.  Those can't be the only 2 choices and in that world, nothing will ever change.

I don't disagree that Bibi needs to be gone, and Gatz stepping in to fill the void won't change anything.  But there are countless intelligent savvy political operators in the Knesset that will have plenty of support and backing for true change on the heels of this conflict.

But I think this is what frustrates me about the vocal and uninformed pro-Palestine voice right now. First, it's not binary, there is no world in which there is a Palestine without Israel, full stop.  If it came to it and only 1 existed, we all know it wouldn't be Israel on the losing side. 

But secondly, any solution that ends in a positive long term outcome for the Palestinian people will not, and cannot, happen as is under the current status quo.  It's not the direct fault of the Palestinian people, but they need a party, a voice, a leader who diverges from the current leadership of Gaza/West Bank who cannot do anything but point fingers at/espouse the negatives of Israel.

[rocket surgeon]

The tragic thing for the innocent Palestinian civilian population is they have no competent or pragmatic leadership advocating for them.  They have the savagery of Hamas or the impotent corruption of guys like Abbas.  It's very much like the old Narcos way of "plomo o plata", these guys only know violence or lining their pockets while "advocating" for the Palestinians.  Those can't be the only 2 choices and in that world, nothing will ever change.

I don't disagree that Bibi needs to be gone, and Gatz stepping in to fill the void won't change anything.  But there are countless intelligent savvy political operators in the Knesset that will have plenty of support and backing for true change on the heels of this conflict.

But I think this is what frustrates me about the vocal and uninformed pro-Palestine voice right now. First, it's not binary, there is no world in which there is a Palestine without Israel, full stop.  If it came to it and only 1 existed, we all know it wouldn't be Israel on the losing side. 

But secondly, any solution that ends in a positive long term outcome for the Palestinian people will not, and cannot, happen as is under the current status quo.  It's not the direct fault of the Palestinian people, but they need a party, a voice, a leader who diverges from the current leadership of Gaza/West Bank who cannot do anything but point fingers at/espouse the negatives of Israel.

   wow!  this is one of the most clear eyed, reasoned/pragmatic post i've seen in a long time.  but then again, i don't have time to stumble through all the noise here.  great post nonetheless waggy

  in any event, hamas is like hussein was-gee, he never lost an election-weird how that happened.  unfortunately, we see versions of hamas throughout societies.  most of them are insidious and come in the vacuum of power struggles or by force.  the common denominator, unfortunately is usually POWER.  now it get's complicated

    if the palestinians are true to their convictions, and i mean the "rank and file" if you will, it is going to take a strong will to get, maintain and keep civility.  there will be constant threats and tests to this civility, not unlike most other societies.  the difference is overcoming, oh, a few thousand years of "tradition".  think hatfields and mccoys times 1000