Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[Hards Alumni]

The Palestinians have been unable to establish their own functioning state, which is the practical problem in front of us today. I think we will see a 2 state solution with a demilitarized Palestine and a permanent presence of the UN or another peace keeping force agreed upon between the West and the Arab world.

I think this will make everyone pretty unhappy, so it's probably a good compromise.

Edit: This is me agreeing with Egypt's government's stance, btw. El-Sisi has mentioned this as a potential solution. Not saying this as an appeal to authority, just pointing out that I don't have any original ideas

Pretty much what I said about a month ago.  It's the only path forward.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Y'all are comical and have zero notion with what you are obsessed. There will never be a 2 state solution. Why? Because the goal of the Arabs to finish what Hitler started. When people are lining up to be suicide bombers and willingly use their children as human shields, you soon realize the irrationality of the Palestinians, hey?


#fromtherivertothesea

And before you say it, yes Drake is Jewish. And yes Drake has used his immense platform to speak out in favor of a ceasefire.

[jesmu84]

https://www.thefire.org/news/fire-congress-university-presidents-dont-expand-censorship-end-it

https://youtu.be/sCfnuSL_m2c?si=btt6LNWppRk5SolS

[jesmu84]

The Palestinians have been unable to establish their own functioning state, which is the practical problem in front of us today. I think we will see a 2 state solution with a demilitarized Palestine and a permanent presence of the UN or another peace keeping force agreed upon between the West and the Arab world.

I think this will make everyone pretty unhappy, so it's probably a good compromise.

Edit: This is me agreeing with Egypt's government's stance, btw. El-Sisi has mentioned this as a potential solution. Not saying this as an appeal to authority, just pointing out that I don't have any original ideas

It's going to be incredibly challenging to establish a 2 state solution at this point. The extremes in Israel are against it (the ones Bibi is relying on to maintain power) and the extremes in the surrounding areas are against it.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

I believe Israel has a right to exist.

I believe Israel has a right to defend itself and respond to attacks from any/all terrorist groups or nation-states.

I believe Palestinians have a right to exist.

I believe innocent Palestinian citizens being subjected to punishment by Israel simply because a terrorist organization occupies the same geographic area is wrong.

I post what I post because the loudest here only post in one direction. If I, or others, allow this without like-for-like counterbalance, then I believe the "window" will still shift too far in one direction.

I'm happy to discuss things more down the middle at any time.

Has Jesmu posted anything untrue? I don't think awareness of thousands dying is whataboutism.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

No! Every college student must study only dentistry or business!

Can Professor McAdams teach my son Intro to Dentistry?

[4everwarriors]

So who in the hell is Drake and why should I give a chit what he says, hey?

[forgetful]

Plenty of land in Saudi Arabia, Iran, or Egypt for a Palestinian state. Why hasn't that happened? Oh, those countries don't want their brothers either, hey?

Maybe, because it is their homeland.

Take for instance a group of Palestinian Christians (only ~1000 remain). Their lineage has, continuously, lived in Palestine/Israel since the 1st century, their ancestors may very well have walked with Jesus. One particular group lives in Gaza as many were expelled from Israel during the Nakba. They haven't been allowed to return to their own land/properties.

Many are concerned that they will be wiped out, and the oldest/longest continual christian group will no longer exist.

Why should they go live in Saudi Arabia, Iran, or Egypt...countries, and cultures they have no history with whatsoever. The same story can be said of the rest of the Palestinians, most of whom have lived there for centuries or longer. They are culturally distinct from any of those other countries. Why should they have to leave, why should they be denied a right to self-determination in an independent state along side Israel.

Why are you against Palestine and Israel coexisting side by side.

[4everwarriors]

History will show you that there never was a country recognized as Palestine. It never existed. I explained early that a 2 state solution cannot work if 1 side is fixated on eradicating every Jew, hey?

[jesmu84]

Has Jesmu posted anything untrue? I don't think awareness of thousands dying is whataboutism.

To be fair to wags, I don't think I've posted much, if any, explicitly anti-hamas or pro-israel stuff.

[jesmu84]

History will show you that there never was a country recognized as Palestine. It never existed. I explained early that a 2 state solution cannot work if 1 side is fixated on eradicating every Jew, hey?

Do you think there's a segment of Zionism or Jewish folks that are fixated on eradicating every Palestinian?

[4everwarriors]

I don't think any Jew can rest easy when the goal is to eradicate you from the face of the earth. Terrorist groups have surfaced periodically throughout history with the sole intent of genocide. That is likely to recur.
The very disturbing factor now is the emergence and acceptance of blatant antisemitism, not only throughout the world, but so evident and accepted in the United States. It is no longer hidden and silent. Frankly, this is how Nazi Germany started and yes, it can happen here and in other countries. Understand that 6 million Jews perished in the Holocaust while the entire world watched and did nothing. For those of you who have not visited the Holocaust Museum in D.C., I would urge you to do so. It is a museum unlike all others and is extremely moving, hey?

#fromtherivertothesea

#neveragain

[TSmith34, Inc.]

  you and me both smitty-the amounts of corruption, lies, influence peddling, etc etc going on that the pravdas will not report is holy UCK man  bout time you started to wise up

If only there existed things like, I dunno, evidence, or facts, or proof.

But much like "ivermectin totally works, "they" are just covering it up", reality just gets in the way of your narrative, so best ignore it.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

These college presidents honestly sounded pretty pathetic to me when asked very simple questions.  And their apologies were emotionless and came across as statements from pr firms.

I actually agree that they didn't have good responses though I suspect my reasons are different than yours. What they said was the truth (caveat I have not watched the entire hearings just the few clips that have gone viral)  which is what they are required to speak when under oath. I can understand the instict to just stick to answering the question when under oath, but they could have displayed a lot more compassion than they did... but even then I understand the fear.  Because if a university president says the wrong thing,  they can be accused of "chilling" free speech which is another potential lawsuit.

They had to have known that this line of questioning was coming.  They didn't prepare well enough. University presidents need to be politicians as much as they are academics

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

So who in the hell is Drake and why should I give a chit what he says, hey?

a Jewish man who you should tell that he has the wrong opinions about Israel.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

History will show you that there never was a country recognized as Palestine. It never existed. I explained early that a 2 state solution cannot work if 1 side is fixated on eradicating every Jew, hey?

Why do 138 countries know less than you in regards to recognizing the existence and sovereignty of Palestine?

Sweden should know their place damnit!

[Uncle Rico]

Anyone angry at the people calling and leaving messages for Judge Enogron and his clerk calling them "dirty Jews"?

[Hards Alumni]

I don't think any Jew can rest easy when the goal is to eradicate you from the face of the earth. Terrorist groups have surfaced periodically throughout history with the sole intent of genocide. That is likely to recur.
The very disturbing factor now is the emergence and acceptance of blatant antisemitism, not only throughout the world, but so evident and accepted in the United States. It is no longer hidden and silent. Frankly, this is how Nazi Germany started and yes, it can happen here and in other countries. Understand that 6 million Jews perished in the Holocaust while the entire world watched and did nothing. For those of you who have not visited the Holocaust Museum in D.C., I would urge you to do so. It is a museum unlike all others and is extremely moving, hey?

#fromtherivertothesea

#neveragain

Consider that the state of Israel has been ghettoizing Palestinians for almost twenty years.  They're literally behaving like the Nazi's did towards the Jewish population during WW2.

If Hamas was out to only kill Jewish people, don't you think they'd try... ya know, killing a few somewhere besides Israel?  Kinda strange that they don't, isn't it? 

They're anti-Israel, not anti-Jewish.  And yes, you can separate the two if you possess working brain cells.

And for the record, I've been to the holocaust museum as well as Dachau.  The crimes of 80 years ago don't give the state of Israel carte blanche to kill civilians as they see fit.

[Heisenberg]

I believe Israel has a right to exist.

I believe Israel has a right to defend itself and respond to attacks from any/all terrorist groups or nation-states.

I believe Palestinians have a right to exist.

I believe innocent Palestinian citizens being subjected to punishment by Israel simply because a terrorist organization occupies the same geographic area is wrong.

I post what I post because the loudest here only post in one direction. If I, or others, allow this without like-for-like counterbalance, then I believe the "window" will still shift too far in one direction.

I'm happy to discuss things more down the middle at any time.

Hamas is not just a terrorist organization that occupies the same geographic area. They are also the government of Gaza.

[Hards Alumni]

Hamas is not just a terrorist organization that occupies the same geographic area. They are also the government of Gaza.

They're the current unelected government, yes.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Anyone angry at the people calling and leaving messages for Judge Enogron and his clerk calling them "dirty Jews"?

IOKIYAR
--signed, 4elder

[MuggsyB]

Consider that the state of Israel has been ghettoizing Palestinians for almost twenty years.  They're literally behaving like the Nazi's did towards the Jewish population during WW2.

If Hamas was out to only kill Jewish people, don't you think they'd try... ya know, killing a few somewhere besides Israel?  Kinda strange that they don't, isn't it? 

They're anti-Israel, not anti-Jewish.  And yes, you can separate the two if you possess working brain cells.

And for the record, I've been to the holocaust museum as well as Dachau.  The crimes of 80 years ago don't give the state of Israel carte blanche to kill civilians as they see fit.

So you're take is they're not anti-Jewish, they're anti-Israel.  Are they anti the existence of a Jewish State?  Are you saying if they were anti-Jewish, they would attacking pockets of Jews in Europe and South America?   There are essentially two countries with significant Jewish populations:  the United States and Israel. Do think Iran is anti-Israel but not anti-Jewish?  Because if they were they would be taking out orthodox communities in NYC and Miami?  What are you actually saying here about a terrorist organization, controlled by Iran, that has in their charter, the elimination of the State of Israel?

[Heisenberg]

They're the current unelected government, yes.

And how does that change things?

[Heisenberg]

I actually agree that they didn't have good responses though I suspect my reasons are different than yours. What they said was the truth (caveat I have not watched the entire hearings just the few clips that have gone viral)  which is what they are required to speak when under oath. I can understand the instict to just stick to answering the question when under oath, but they could have displayed a lot more compassion than they did... but even then I understand the fear.  Because if a university president says the wrong thing,  they can be accused of "chilling" free speech which is another potential lawsuit.

They had to have known that this line of questioning was coming.  They didn't prepare well enough. University presidents need to be politicians as much as they are academics

Groveling to save her job?

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'I Am Sorry': Harvard President Gay Addresses Backlash Over Congressional Testimony on Antisemitism
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/12/8/gay-apology-congressional-remarks/

Harvard President Claudine Gay apologized for her remarks at the end of her congressional testimony, which sparked fierce national criticism and led the leadership of Harvard Hillel to say they don't trust her to protect Jewish students at the University.

"I am sorry," Gay said in an interview with The Crimson on Thursday. "Words matter."

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"President Gay's failure to properly condemn this speech calls into question her ability to protect Jewish students on Harvard's campus," Hillel's leadership wrote. "President Gay's testimony fails to reassure us that the University is seriously concerned about the antisemitic rhetoric pervasive on campus."

[Heisenberg]

Because the reality is,  if they are removed,  theyre still not going to punish students for protected speech. And the anti-americans who want students punished for protected speech won't be satisfied until that happens.  So they will keep these presidents as their sin eaters and then sacrifice them once it's safe for a new president to come in. Unless they decide they're sick of this and resign on their own

They are calling for intifada, genocide, and threatening Jewish Students. They are words to incite violence and physical assaults, and such words are not protected speech.