Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[jesmu84]

This is another good example of why the billionaires/ultra rich shouldn't be in charge of our society.

[21Jumpstreet]

This is another good example of why the billionaires/ultra rich shouldn't be in charge of our society.

The hypocrisy is thick

[MuggsyB]

Some news leaking out that the Penn board will ask Magill to resign. If she doesn't, she may be fired. I didn't think she would survive this, but I'm uncomfortable that she is being bullied out. This morning was the first time I thought maybe attending Penn could be a detriment to my son.

Where will your son be safe?  Jewish students are being bullied and a lot worse.  Fk McGill and the rest of these morally bankrupt college presidents.  This crap has clearly been going on for a very long time.   There must be a swat analysis of what is actually being taught in our colleges all across the country.  Start with Sociology departments, Poly-Sci, Anthro, History, Philosophy, Literature, Ed courses, etc.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

  of course they will be.  they always have the ole biden center with it's influx of $14 mil from "un named" chinese donors and another $2.5mil from the saudi's to fall back on.  nothing to do with his "smartest guy he knows" influence err anything cuz he never discussed any CEFC biness with him or his syndicate.  at least not on any of his numerous flights on airforce 2...allegedly

Holy unnatural carnal knowledge

[forgetful]

I think it is pretty clear that all scoopers believe Israel has a right to exist, and a right to defend itself.

But on the other side of the spectrum:

Is anyone (besides the dentists, Muggsy, and Heisy), against the establishment of an independent Palestinian state as part of a 2-state solution?

[ATL MU Warrior]

Where will your son be safe?  Jewish students are being bullied and a lot worse.  Fk McGill and the rest of these morally bankrupt college presidents.  This crap has clearly been going on for a very long time.   There must be a swat analysis of what is actually being taught in our colleges all across the country.  Start with Sociology departments, Poly-Sci, Anthro, History, Philosophy, Literature, Ed courses, etc.

yes, we need to keep this churning atop the culture war heap for about another 11 months, wouldn't you say?

[forgetful]

Where will your son be safe?  Jewish students are being bullied and a lot worse.  Fk McGill and the rest of these morally bankrupt college presidents.  This crap has clearly been going on for a very long time.   There must be a swat analysis of what is actually being taught in our colleges all across the country.  Start with Sociology departments, Poly-Sci, Anthro, History, Philosophy, Literature, Ed courses, etc.

What is being taught is far more conservative than what the college students believe. Students on average, are for more left-leaning than their professors.

[Heisenberg]

I could certainly be wrong but I think the Presidents won't be removed until this dies down. Then they will appoint interims and do long searches so that when they do make a hire,  the new president doesn't have to deal with any of this.

Because the reality is,  if they are removed,  theyre still not going to punish students for protected speech. And the anti-americans who want students punished for protected speech won't be satisfied until that happens.  So they will keep these presidents as their sin eaters and then sacrifice them once it's safe for a new president to come in. Unless they decide they're sick of this and resign on their own

You could be correct, but Penn is acting with some urgency. And if McGill goes soon, I don't expect the rest to survive much longer.

(And as far as finding a new President fast, See Northwestern, Rebecca Blank was leaving Wisconsin to take over in Evanston and, over the summer, announced advanced cancer and stepped down before she started; NU found her replacement in Michael Schill in days. So, it can be done fast.)

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/07/business/penn-emergency-meeting-liz-magill/index.html


The University of Pennsylvania's board of trustees held an emergency meeting Thursday.

One source familiar with the board's proceedings told CNN Scott Bok, the chair of Penn's Board of Trustees, was expected Thursday or Friday to talk to Magill about possibly stepping down. But another source with close knowledge of the board's activity denied that meeting between Bok and Magill was taking place and said the board was not close to holding discussions with Magill about a leadership change.

A spokesperson for Penn said there is no immediate plan for the board to replace Magill.

"There is no board plan for imminent leadership change," the spokesperson said.

Penn currently does not have an interim president lined up if Magill were to step down, a source said.

[JWags85]

I think it is pretty clear that all scoopers believe Israel has a right to exist, and a right to defend itself.

Are we sure about that? He's respectful/non vitriolic in his views so I don't clutch my pearls about it but I don't get that impression about Jesu at all.  He's posted nothing but disgust and derision about anything Israel for a solid month, or constant whataboutism at the very least.

[Pakuni]

Where will your son be safe?  Jewish students are being bullied and a lot worse.  Fk McGill and the rest of these morally bankrupt college presidents.  This crap has clearly been going on for a very long time.   There must be a swat analysis of what is actually being taught in our colleges all across the country.  Start with Sociology departments, Poly-Sci, Anthro, History, Philosophy, Literature, Ed courses, etc.

We need re-education camps, aina?

[Skatastrophy]

I think it is pretty clear that all scoopers believe Israel has a right to exist, and a right to defend itself.

But on the other side of the spectrum:

Is anyone (besides the dentists, Muggsy, and Heisy), against the establishment of an independent Palestinian state as part of a 2-state solution?

The Palestinians have been unable to establish their own functioning state, which is the practical problem in front of us today. I think we will see a 2 state solution with a demilitarized Palestine and a permanent presence of the UN or another peace keeping force agreed upon between the West and the Arab world.

I think this will make everyone pretty unhappy, so it's probably a good compromise.

Edit: This is me agreeing with Egypt's government's stance, btw. El-Sisi has mentioned this as a potential solution. Not saying this as an appeal to authority, just pointing out that I don't have any original ideas

[rocket surgeon]

What is being taught is far more conservative than what the college students believe. Students on average, are for more left-leaning than their professors.

  where are the students getting "it" from? 

my sister and bro-in-law are conservative and raised all 3 of their kids as such.  they came back from state schools (uw, uw-lacrosse) with flowers in their hair.  they regret sending their kids off to college because they believe they did not get their monies worth. 

both of my kids(MU) returned with their heads still square on their shoulders

[rocket surgeon]

Holy unnatural carnal knowledge

  you and me both smitty-the amounts of corruption, lies, influence peddling, etc etc going on that the pravdas will not report is holy UCK man  bout time you started to wise up

[4everwarriors]

Y'all are comical and have zero notion with what you are obsessed. There will never be a 2 state solution. Why? Because the goal of the Arabs to finish what Hitler started. When people are lining up to be suicide bombers and willingly use their children as human shields, you soon realize the irrationality of the Palestinians, hey?


#fromtherivertothesea

[Skatastrophy]

Y'all are comical and have zero notion with what you are obsessed. There will never be a 2 state solution. Why? Because the goal of the Arabs to finish what Hitler started. When people are lining up to be suicide bombers and willingly use their children as human shields, you soon realize the irrationality of the Palestinians, hey?


#fromtherivertothesea

You've moved from blaming Hamas, to all Palestinians, to all Arabs.

So instead of blaming a group of people, or a country of people, now you're blaming a race of people. Know what that means?

[Uncle Rico]

  where are the students getting "it" from? 

my sister and bro-in-law are conservative and raised all 3 of their kids as such.  they came back from state schools (uw, uw-lacrosse) with flowers in their hair.  they regret sending their kids off to college because they believe they did not get their monies worth. 

both of my kids(MU) returned with their heads still square on their shoulders

Sweet Jesus.  9.5 out of 10

[JWags85]

The Palestinians have been unable to establish their own functioning state, which is the practical problem in front of us today. I think we will see a 2 state solution with a demilitarized Palestine and a permanent presence of the UN or another peace keeping force agreed upon between the West and the Arab world.

I think this will make everyone pretty unhappy, so it's probably a good compromise.

Edit: This is me agreeing with Egypt's government's stance, btw. El-Sisi has mentioned this as a potential solution. Not saying this as an appeal to authority, just pointing out that I don't have any original ideas

I agree with this and I think it's fair as of right now.  I think that's the biggest issue that the proponents of Palestinian freedom are missing right now.  If they got all they wanted (short of Israel not existing), including settlers removed from the West Bank and no blockade of Gaza, there is a huge power/leadership vacuum.  And the history of the Palestinian leadership in the area has been nearly fully ineffectual/corrupt at best, and Hamas/PIJ/70s terrorist PLO at worst.  Even if you remove Israel from the equation, there is still "occupation" needed for some time .

[MU82]

Damn college kids today, with their long hair, and their flower power, and their "love" this and "peace" that, and their rock-n-roll devil's music!

[jesmu84]

Are we sure about that? He's respectful/non vitriolic in his views so I don't clutch my pearls about it but I don't get that impression about Jesu at all.  He's posted nothing but disgust and derision about anything Israel for a solid month, or constant whataboutism at the very least.

I believe Israel has a right to exist.

I believe Israel has a right to defend itself and respond to attacks from any/all terrorist groups or nation-states.

I believe Palestinians have a right to exist.

I believe innocent Palestinian citizens being subjected to punishment by Israel simply because a terrorist organization occupies the same geographic area is wrong.

I post what I post because the loudest here only post in one direction. If I, or others, allow this without like-for-like counterbalance, then I believe the "window" will still shift too far in one direction.

I'm happy to discuss things more down the middle at any time.

[Uncle Rico]

Damn college kids today, with their long hair, and their flower power, and their "love" this and "peace" that, and their rock-n-roll devil's music!

Imagine raising a child to think for themselves and make their own decisions as adults and who they associate with.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

  where are the students getting "it" from? 

my sister and bro-in-law are conservative and raised all 3 of their kids as such.  they came back from state schools (uw, uw-lacrosse) with flowers in their hair.  they regret sending their kids off to college because they believe they did not get their monies worth. 

both of my kids(MU) returned with their heads still square on their shoulders

I don't think they get "it" from anywhere honestly.  I think for at least the past few hundred years, the younger generation has always been more socially progressive than the generation before it. It's the natural order of things.

I think this phenomenon of conservatives claiming that their children were staunch conservatives and then they went to college and were brainwashed is a fabrication meant to shift blame from themselves for having sometimes contensious relationships with their kids. I think in most cases these parents either didn't know their kids very well or didn't allow for an environment where their kids felt safe to express contrary views. These kids then go off to college, get their first taste of independence and begin the journey of self authorship. This gives them confidence and competence to express ideas contrary to their parents.  Rather than accepting that their child is their own person with their own opinions and values,  some parents choose to blame colleges for brainwashing their kids.  Which is really insulting to their own kids (and by extension their own parenting) when you think about it.

Students as a whole in this country are much more socially progressive than faculty as a whole in this country. They aren't learning it here.  They're just in an environment that allows them to express it freely amongst other likeminded individuals.  For many of them, it's their first time in that kind of environment.

[4everwarriors]

Plenty of land in Saudi Arabia, Iran, or Egypt for a Palestinian state. Why hasn't that happened? Oh, those countries don't want their brothers either, hey?

[Uncle Rico]

Plenty of land in Saudi Arabia, Iran, or Egypt for a Palestinian state. Why hasn't that happened? Oh, those countries don't want their brothers either, hey?

Like America not wanting Christians, hey?

[MU82]

Imagine raising a child to think for themselves and make their own decisions as adults and who they associate with.

No! Every college student must study only dentistry or business!

[MuggsyB]

These college presidents honestly sounded pretty pathetic to me when asked very simple questions.  And their apologies were emotionless and came across as statements from pr firms.