Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[The Sultan]

Damn straight it does. I'll tell anyone within shoutin' range includin' ewe two, hey?

"I'm not antisemitic, but they aren't smart enough to know who to vote for. Just like the citizens of Milwaukee."

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Even if you weren't wrong here...

Knowingly dropping a bomb on a building where you know there are babies is still intentional.  It isn't an accident.

If you want to justify it, this isn't the way.

I tend to believe (same with the law domestically) that negligence isn't justification for violence and death. The family I ran off the road and killed in order to get home faster to my sick child is just an unfortunate byproduct of my needs to protect my own. (Dumb example probably)

Then again I'm not military leadership.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/israel/israels-failed-bombing-campaign-gaza

[Heisenberg]

https://x.com/JonHaidt/status/1732389011983900857?s=20

As a professor who favors free speech on campus, I can sympathize with the "nuanced" answers given by U. presidents yesterday, about whether calls to attack or wipe out Israel violate campus speech policies.

What offends me is that since 2015, universities have been so quick to punish "microaggressions," including statements intended to be kind, if even one person from a favored group took offense. The presidents are now saying: "Jews are not a favored group, so offending or threatening Jews is not so bad. For Jews, it all depends on context." We might call this double standard "institutional anti-semitism."

University presidents: If you're not going to punish students for calling for the elimination of Israel and Israelis, it's OK with me, but ONLY if you also immediately dismantle the speech policing apparatus and norms you created in 2015-2016. Please read The Coddling of the American Mind.
@glukianoff and I laid out exactly where the oppressor/victim frame came from (ch. 3), how it spread out of a few departments to gain power over administrators and campus culture (chapters 4 and 5), and how it drove the creation of the bureaucratic structures and processes that now have us all teaching and learning on eggshells (ch. 10). In chapter 13 we offer advice to leaders on how to to return universities to their academic mission and regain public trust.

[The Sultan]

Yeah, universities aren't really "quick to punish microaggressions" at all. So that's a nice strawman.

[Heisenberg]

Maybe to people like you who are very invested in the culture war.  Normal people won't notice.

The White House notice, or are they not part of the "normal people?"

https://www.mediaite.com/news/white-house-shames-university-presidents-over-anti-semitism-hearing-unbelievable-that-this-needs-to-be-said/

Andrew Bates, White House deputy press secretary and senior communications advisor, issued a scathing and unequivocal statement about the hearing on Wednesday.

"It's unbelievable that this needs to be said: calls for genocide are monstrous and antithetical to everything we represent as a country," declared Bates. "Any statements that advocate for the systematic murder of Jews are dangerous and revolting – and we should all stand firmly against them, on the side of human dignity and the most basic values that unite us as Americans."

[Heisenberg]

Israel Says It Has Killed Half of Hamas's Battalion Commanders
https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israel-says-it-has-killed-half-of-hamass-battalion-commanders-34a1c058

Israel said it has killed about half of Hamas's midlevel commanders in Gaza and is pressing on the suspected hiding place of the group's leader, deploying a deliberate strategy to disrupt the militants' ability to fight in the enclave.

[Hards Alumni]

The White House notice, or are they not part of the "normal people?"

https://www.mediaite.com/news/white-house-shames-university-presidents-over-anti-semitism-hearing-unbelievable-that-this-needs-to-be-said/

Andrew Bates, White House deputy press secretary and senior communications advisor, issued a scathing and unequivocal statement about the hearing on Wednesday.

"It's unbelievable that this needs to be said: calls for genocide are monstrous and antithetical to everything we represent as a country," declared Bates. "Any statements that advocate for the systematic murder of Jews are dangerous and revolting – and we should all stand firmly against them, on the side of human dignity and the most basic values that unite us as Americans."

You misunderstand. 

The average person is obviously not the White House.  The average person won't think an Ivy League education is worth less than it was on 10/6.  The average person isn't as hyperfocused on any of this the way you or the average terminally online person is. 

You're not the average American.

[rocket surgeon]

The presidents were correct.  It does depend on context. The congresswoman knows that,  Ackman knows that, and I hope you know that after our discussions here but they and you see an opportunity to fight a culture war and are taking advantage.

Again,  Ackman and others are calling on the Ivies to violate students first amendment rights, which will lead to lawsuits, which will either be successful or settled, which will then result in universities funding antisemitism. Ackman is advocating for students to be paid thousands if not millions of dollars for being antisemetic.

The presidents may end up resigning or being removed because they make convenient scapegoats, but nothing will change as a result.

  calling for the mass murder/extinction of jews...please explain what context you can put this in to and NOT be anti-Semitic?

  yes, you can say it, scream it from the roof top, but it's still anti-Semitic

maybe they would better understand if there were people with white hoods on calling for the killing of all african americans.  or is there a context this would be cool as well?   

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Satmar Jews are anti semites/dentites

[Skatastrophy]

Religion was a mistake.

[Uncle Rico]

Religion was a mistake.

Truer words have never been spoken

[Uncle Rico]

Also, thanks for the laughs, Rocky

[Heisenberg]

You misunderstand. 

The average person is obviously not the White House.  The average person won't think an Ivy League education is worth less than it was on 10/6.  The average person isn't as hyperfocused on any of this the way you or the average terminally online person is. 

You're not the average American.

[jesmu84]

https://www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-calculated-bombing-gaza/

The bombing of power targets, according to intelligence sources who had first-hand experience with its application in Gaza in the past, is mainly intended to harm Palestinian civil society: to "create a shock" that, among other things, will reverberate powerfully and "lead civilians to put pressure on Hamas," as one source put it.

Several of the sources, who spoke to +972 and Local Call on the condition of anonymity, confirmed that the Israeli army has files on the vast majority of potential targets in Gaza — including homes — which stipulate the number of civilians who are likely to be killed in an attack on a particular target. This number is calculated and known in advance to the army's intelligence units, who also know shortly before carrying out an attack roughly how many civilians are certain to be killed.

In one case discussed by the sources, the Israeli military command knowingly approved the killing of hundreds of Palestinian civilians in an attempt to assassinate a single top Hamas military commander. "The numbers increased from dozens of civilian deaths [permitted] as collateral damage as part of an attack on a senior official in previous operations, to hundreds of civilian deaths as collateral damage," said one source.

"Nothing happens by accident," said another source. "When a 3-year-old girl is killed in a home in Gaza, it's because someone in the army decided it wasn't a big deal for her to be killed — that it was a price worth paying in order to hit [another] target. We are not Hamas. These are not random rockets. Everything is intentional. We know exactly how much collateral damage there is in every home."

[jesmu84]

Lol@title

[Heisenberg]

https://dnyuz.com/2023/12/06/donors-and-alumni-demand-that-penns-president-resign-over-remarks-at-hearing/

"It should not be hard to condemn genocide, genocide against Jews, genocide against anyone else," Governor Shapiro said Wednesday in a meeting with reporters. "I've said many times, leaders have a responsibility to speak and act with moral clarity, and Liz Magill failed to meet that simple test."

"There should be no nuance to that — she needed to give a one-word answer," he added.

Asked how the university should respond, the governor said, "I think right now the board and Penn has a serious decision they need to make," and urged the university's board of trustees to meet soon. No regular public meeting of the board is scheduled until February.

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On Wednesday, Marc Rowan, the chief of Apollo Group and the board chair at the Wharton School, Penn's business school, wrote to the university's board of trustees asking them to rescind their support for Ms. Magill.

"How much damage to our reputation are we willing to accept?" he wrote. "The call for fundamental change at UPenn continues."

By Wednesday, a petition demanding her resignation had attracted more than 1,500 signatures.

[Heisenberg]

https://www.bostonherald.com/2023/12/06/harvard-university-alums-say-president-claudine-gay-should-resign-after-shocking-testimony-about-antisemitism-on-campus/

[lawdog77]

Religion This thread was a mistake.

FIFY

[MU82]

Also, thanks for the laughs, Rocky

Love it.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

https://x.com/ashleyfeinberg/status/1732536326925201824?s=46&t=G2FhP_F2kWewaBOpvRv5lg

[JWags85]

https://x.com/ashleyfeinberg/status/1732536326925201824?s=46&t=G2FhP_F2kWewaBOpvRv5lg

I mean, I'm not sure what sort of "gotcha" that is against the IDF/Israel.  Hamas kidnapped hostages and then kept them in Hamas hiding spots/strongholds.  Hamas would have been responsible for their deaths regardless.  Thats not some defense of Israel action, its just not letting them try to pass blame for civilian death from Hamas back to Israel.  Look at the headline, the whole piece was the horrors the hostages experienced, including being kept in a warzone where any number of things put them at risk of death.

Also, I know its a repost and CNN content, but that account posted the clip is an absolute far left lunatic loser who once posted, roughly paraphrasing, "nobody has ever been made safer by police that wasn't a rich white man" and almost certainly doesn't not believe Israel has a right to exist.

[MU82]

Leaving a television interview after tonight's GOP presidential debate, Vivek Ramaswamy and Rabbi Shmuley Boteach got into a bit of a shouting match over Ramaswamy's opposition to sending aid to Israel in its war with Hamas.

"The American Jewish community should absolutely reject the policies of Vivek Ramaswamy, which calls for America's foremost ally to be defunded when it is fighting a war, where it faced abhorrent and foreign attacks," he tells reporters about the dispute.

(From the NYT)

[Heisenberg]

Rich Eisen diverged from sports today and went off on the three University Presidents inability to call out antisemitism.

He called them disgraceful and got pretty emotional and upset about it.

https://youtu.be/hKZp-YcD_Gg?si=0vIvOhCt9vsI3qgw

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Also, Sam Harris today - What is Islamophobia?

https://youtu.be/-fCiMQviTiw?si=XStL21LoTb5DTN8u

What is Islamophobia? Someone once said on the Internet, it's a word "invented by fascists and used by cowards to manipulate morons," and that's not far from the truth. There is no question that the term has been designed to confuse people. Its purpose is to conflate any criticism of Islam, which is a doctrine of religious beliefs, with bigotry against Muslims as people. In fact, it equates secularism itself—the commitment to keeping religion out of our laws and public policy—with hatred. The term is now being widely used in the mainstream media, and it is making it impossible to speak honestly about the consequences of dangerous ideas.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

What offends me is that since 2015, universities have been so quick to punish "microaggressions," including statements intended to be kind, if even one person from a favored group took offense. The presidents are now saying: "Jews are not a favored group, so offending or threatening Jews is not so bad. For Jews, it all depends on context." We might call this double standard "institutional anti-semitism."

Can you or your tweeter provide any example of a university "being quick to punish microaggerssions"? There might be one out there, but I'm not personally aware of it.

I asked you this same question about 45 pages ago. You gave me two examples that went to court and the courts sided with the universities and said they were in the right. Got any actual examples?