Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[MU82]

This is very not good ...

Israeli officials obtained Hamas's battle plan for the Oct. 7 terrorist attack more than a year before it happened, documents, emails and interviews show. But Israeli military and intelligence officials dismissed the plan as aspirational, considering it too difficult for Hamas to carry out.

The approximately 40-page document, which the Israeli authorities code-named "Jericho Wall," outlined, point by point, exactly the kind of devastating invasion that led to the deaths of about 1,200 people.

The translated document, which was reviewed by The New York Times, did not set a date for the attack, but described a methodical assault designed to overwhelm the fortifications around the Gaza Strip, take over Israeli cities and storm key military bases, including a division headquarters.

Hamas followed the blueprint with shocking precision. The document called for a barrage of rockets at the outset of the attack, drones to knock out the security cameras and automated machine guns along the border, and gunmen to pour into Israel en masse in paragliders, on motorcycles and on foot — all of which happened on Oct. 7.

The plan also included details about the location and size of Israeli military forces, communication hubs and other sensitive information, raising questions about how Hamas gathered its intelligence and whether there were leaks inside the Israeli security establishment.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20231130&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=headline&regi_id=108420427&segment_id=151407&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa

[forgetful]

This is very not good ...

Israeli officials obtained Hamas's battle plan for the Oct. 7 terrorist attack more than a year before it happened, documents, emails and interviews show. But Israeli military and intelligence officials dismissed the plan as aspirational, considering it too difficult for Hamas to carry out.

The approximately 40-page document, which the Israeli authorities code-named "Jericho Wall," outlined, point by point, exactly the kind of devastating invasion that led to the deaths of about 1,200 people.

The translated document, which was reviewed by The New York Times, did not set a date for the attack, but described a methodical assault designed to overwhelm the fortifications around the Gaza Strip, take over Israeli cities and storm key military bases, including a division headquarters.

Hamas followed the blueprint with shocking precision. The document called for a barrage of rockets at the outset of the attack, drones to knock out the security cameras and automated machine guns along the border, and gunmen to pour into Israel en masse in paragliders, on motorcycles and on foot — all of which happened on Oct. 7.

The plan also included details about the location and size of Israeli military forces, communication hubs and other sensitive information, raising questions about how Hamas gathered its intelligence and whether there were leaks inside the Israeli security establishment.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20231130&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=headline&regi_id=108420427&segment_id=151407&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa

That's terrible. Especially considering that Egypt and other countries warned them just before the attacks, that a major attack was imminent and that Israel was grossly underestimating Hamas' capabilities.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67082047

[Heisenberg]

Israeli police at work (in Heisey's imagination).

Telling ignorance here ... Israeli police do not work in the West Bank, as it is not Israel.

It is the IDF, Israel soldiers fighting an organized enemy.

[Pakuni]

Telling ignorance here ... Israeli police do not work in the West Bank, as it is not Israel.

It is the IDF, Israel soldiers fighting an organized enemy.

[Skatastrophy]

I mean, the Hamas plan sounds like a Mad Max fantasy. Rushing a border with paragliders and motorbikes? Too crazy to happen until it happens.

I think this is why it's valuable to have a part of your government that takes these threats seriously and digs into them. The autocratic nature and goals of Netanyahu's government hampered Israel... as expected.

[Uncle Rico]

I mean, the Hamas plan sounds like a Mad Max fantasy. Rushing a border with paragliders and motorbikes? Too crazy to happen until it happens.

I think this is why it's valuable to have a part of your government that takes these threats seriously and digs into them. The autocratic nature and goals of Netanyahu's government hampered Israel... as expected.

Netanyahu belongs in jail

[The Sultan]

Well, then he can explain himself and why he seemingly has a problem with these Israeli's actions. Every day, innocent Israelis are targeted and killed by Palestinian terrorists. They are not killed in the crossfire of military targets.

They are arresting people to stop them from killing more innocent Jews like Hamas did at a Jerusalem bus stop today. This post implies he has a problem with them arresting people before they kill more Jews. Why is that?

It doesn't imply anything of the sort. Either you know this and are just being argumentative in your little Heisey way when you want to draw attention to yourself, or you don't and you're dumb.

Which is it?

[Heisenberg]

Hamas broke the ceasefire, and Israel has responded in kind.

110 hostages were returned, many with terrible stories of torture and abuse.
137 hostages remain, but Isreal thinks many of them are already dead ... which is why Hamas cannot continue the hostage-for-prisoner exchanges

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Over 50 rockets fired at south Israel; IDF said telling Khan Younis residents to leave
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-december-1-2023/


Among those still in captivity after the end of the truce Friday are 115 men, 20 women and two children, government spokesperson Eylon Levy says. Ten of the hostages are 75 and older, he says. The majority, or 126, are Israeli and 11 are foreign nationals, including eight from Thailand.

Levy lists the youngest hostage, 10-month-old Kfir Bibas, his 4-year-old brother Ariel and their mother Shiri as among the hostages. The military has said it is investigating a Hamas claim that the boys and their mother were killed.

[Uncle Rico]

Just imagine how this could have been avoided had the leader of Israel not been preoccupied with personal vendettas, consolidating power and keeping his corrupt actions buried to stay out of jail.  Makes you think

[MU82]

Just imagine how this could have been avoided had the leader of Israel not been preoccupied with personal vendettas, consolidating power and keeping his corrupt actions buried to stay out of jail.  Makes you think

Yep. When a corrupt narcissist wants to be an autocrat, democracy is in trouble.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Just imagine how this could have been avoided had the leader of Israel not been preoccupied with personal vendettas, consolidating power and keeping his corrupt actions buried to stay out of jail.  Makes you think

Unfortunately not the people that most need to think.

[lawdog77]

Found Muggsy's plan:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TmHH7n-BK5U?feature=share

[jesmu84]

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article282459243.html

Rep. Thomas Massie, a Kentucky Republican, voted against the resolution, writing on X, formerly known as Twitter, "I'm voting No on the resolution because it equates anti-Zionism with antisemitism."


"Antisemitism is deplorable, but expanding it to include criticism of Israel is not helpful," Massie said.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article282459243.html

That feels kind of alarming from a free speech perspective.

[Heisenberg]

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article282459243.html

Massie is an isolationist. He votes against everything that is the US projecting power outside the US.

I disagree with him, but he has been consistent with his view.

[Heisenberg]

Bill Ackman weighs in on Musk's claim that advertisers are blackmailing him.


FYI - Nelson Peltz and his Train Fund Management are activist investors. His firm has a $3 billion stake in Disney and wants a board seat to fire Bob Iger and restructure the firm.  He was denied a board seat and is suing and waging a proxy fight.

More here
https://www.ft.com/content/e28bb3ee-3c7d-4e50-9330-128b92df0750

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https://x.com/BillAckman/status/1730442461644730553?s=20

@BillAckman

I thought @elonmusk's interview with @andrewrsorkin was one of the great interviews ever. Musk is a free speech absolutist which I respect. I think he is entirely correct that he and @X are treated unfairly and inconsistently by advertisers. @tiktok_us @instagram @facebook and others have enormous amounts of problematic content, antisemitic and otherwise, but the advertisers don't boycott those platforms.

Musk is targeted because the other media organizations view @X as a competitor and any time his name is in an article about controversies, it draws clicks. MSM is incentivized to attack him as it actually drives attention to their sites and therefore more revenues. It is these attack articles by other media organizations that put pressure on the @Disney's of the world to stop advertising on X.

If Bob Iger would carefully examine the facts, he would likely continue to advertise on X, but Disney caves to public pressure rather than do the right thing. Meanwhile Disney invests heavily on TikTok, likely alongside videos of kids teaching other teenagers to be anorexic and worse.  I am sure Nelson Peltz can fix this when he joins the Disney board.

X presents the opportunity for advertisers to access an incredible global audience that is not available elsewhere. And it is cheap compared to other alternatives because of current circumstances. 

On Musk and antisemitism:

After examining the facts, it was clear to me that Musk did not have antisemitic intent when he responded with the 'actual truth' tweet, and further clarified thereafter.

I thought he made what he meant extremely clear in the @andrewrsorkin interview, namely, that Jews are drawn to support 'oppressed' groups and causes through various non-profits due to our history of being an oppressed minority.

Musk points out correctly that a number of these organizations and their members support Hamas. And he is correct in saying that Jews should rethink support for organizations that seek their elimination.

Many Jews are doing that right now.

To use a Muskism, Earth is fortunate that @X is owned by an individual that is largely insulated from financial and other influence.  That said, perhaps some form of very carefully governed trust would be a better forever owner than any individual.

@PershingSqFdn invested in the Twitter privatization in support of free speech. Whether we make a profit on our investment is not important to us as we never intend to sell our interest.

I am more inclined to like and support companies that advertise on the platform because I appreciate their support for free speech. I have actually bought products I learned about from ads on @X. I can't think of another example of my responding to direct advertising other than on X.

Unfortunately, recent (and society's long-term experience) with non-profit governance, see @OpenAI, certain private universities etc. should not give anyone confidence that a traditional non-profit would be a better owner of X than Musk.

Perhaps some day the ownership of X should be distributed to each American, one share for each American during their lives and one for each person born, with a charter which permanently vests the free speech principles by which it operates.

Until then, we all should be grateful that X is owned by Musk.

[Uncle Rico]

Sad to see Bill Ackman become an anti-semite supporter but not surprised.

[Heisenberg]

the youngest hostage, 10-month-old Kfir Bibas, his 4-year-old brother Ariel and their mother Shiri as among the hostages. The military has said it is investigating a Hamas claim that the boys and their mother were killed.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/29/hamas-says-10-month-old-hostage-kfir-bibas-was-killed-in-israeli-bombing

A 10-month-old baby who was the youngest hostage kidnapped and taken to Gaza has reportedly been killed in an Israeli bombing alongside his mother and brother, Hamas has claimed.

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Hamas is also holding Yarden Bibas, the father and husband of the three killed. They released a sickening video where they told him his family was dead and mocked him during his anguish upon hearing the news.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/hamas-video-father-10-month-old-kfir-bibas/

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I point this out to say these stories are known by every Israeli, and the entire country is as enraged as ever and unified behind what they are about to do next.

So when Blinken was in Isreal yesterday telling Isreal that they must take care of innocent civilians, this was his response ...

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-peace-process.html

"We have sworn, I have sworn, to eliminate Hamas," Mr. Netanyahu said after meeting with Mr. Blinken. "Nothing will stop us."

[Heisenberg]

Sad to see Bill Ackman become an anti-semite supporter but not surprised.

Ackman is an Ashkenazi Jew and a powerful supporter of Israel.

But hey, you are free to define what an anti-semite is in whatever way makes you feel better.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Sad to see Bill Ackman become an anti-semite supporter but not surprised.

Proclaiming Musk a free speech absolutist is LOL funny.

[The Sultan]

I thought @elonmusk's interview with @andrewrsorkin was one of the great interviews ever. Musk is a free speech absolutist which I respect. I think he is entirely correct that he and @X are treated unfairly and inconsistently by advertisers. @tiktok_us @instagram @facebook and others have enormous amounts of problematic content, antisemitic and otherwise, but the advertisers don't boycott those platforms.

Portraying Musk as a victim here is pretty hilarious. He created this mess. Any controversies around X are almost entirely of his making.  Now he's claiming that it's "blackmail" that companies don't want to advertise there? 

[MUBurrow]

This is my favorite part:

To use a Muskism, Earth is fortunate that @X is owned by an individual that is largely insulated from financial and other influence. 

AHAHAHAA. Agree or disagree with his various opinions, but there is no doubt Elon Musk is softer than baby sh!t. 

[MU82]

Ackman is an Ashkenazi Jew and a powerful supporter of Israel.

But hey, you are free to define what an anti-semite is in whatever way makes you feel better.

He didn't call Ackman an antisemite. He called Ackman a supporter of antisemites, which is true.

Also true of quite a few Scoopers who claim to be outraged by antisemitism and/or who accuse everyone who disagrees with them of being antisemites.

[Uncle Rico]

Ackman is an Ashkenazi Jew and a powerful supporter of Israel.

But hey, you are free to define what an anti-semite is in whatever way makes you feel better.

He's supporting anti-semites.  Very sad what he's become.  Must be in business with Elon Musk.  Guess that's more important than principle

[Heisenberg]

The truce is over, and Israel might be hitting Gaza harder today than any other day to date. Hamas said at least 175 were killed today (again, they do not separate combatants from civilians).

As I wrote above, the Israeli people are full of resolve and will not stop until Gaza never again poses a threat to them.

Hamas has made it clear, even again today, in the video mocking the father/husband about the death of his family and laughing at him when he begged for their remains so he could bury them in Israel, that all Jews must be eliminated. Hamas made it clear yesterday when they took credit for shooting Jews at a bus stop in East Jerusalem and killing three (including a pageant woman) and promised more of the same.

Hamas set the terms, making this a proportional response when the goal is to genocide you out of existence. Israel is not going to genocide Palestinians from Gaza. But, it will not stop until Hamas/PUJ are no longer capable of even firing a single rocket or shooting another person at a bus stop again.


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https://www.ft.com/content/c0baa718-e1a6-4e1e-a198-cda9a252b3ac?emailId=318a2ad3-7244-48c2-81e5-7905786ac044&segmentId=3d08be62-315f-7330-5bbd-af33dc531acb

Israel is planning a campaign against Hamas that will stretch for a year or more, with the most intensive phase of the ground offensive continuing into early 2024, according to several people familiar with the preparations.

The multi-phase strategy envisages Israeli forces, who are garrisoned inside north Gaza, making an imminent push deep into the south of the besieged Palestinian enclave.

The goals include killing the three top Hamas leaders — Yahya Sinwar, Mohammed Deif and Marwan Issa — while securing "a decisive" military victory against the group's 24 battalions and underground tunnel network and destroying its "governing capability in Gaza".

"This will be a very long war . . . We're currently not near halfway to achieving our objectives," said one person familiar with the Israeli war plans.

Israel's overall strategy for Gaza is flexible, with timing dictated by multiple "clocks", including operational progress on the ground, international pressure and opportunities to free Israeli hostages, the people said.

A fragile week-long truce collapsed on Friday as Israel and Hamas resumed fighting, shattering a pause in hostilities that had enabled a mutual hostage-for-prisoner swap between the two sides. Israel said it was returning to battle to "eliminate Hamas".

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Hamas and PIJ could surrender to stop the bloodshed.

'Where to go?' Palestinians say nowhere safe as Israel resumes Gaza bombing
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/1/where-should-we-go-palestinians-unprepared-as-israel-bombards-gaza
Israel restarts military offensive in Gaza after weeklong truce expires.