Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[SoCalEagle]

What about far-left groups?  None of them are antisemitic?

Are you still silly posting.  Muggsy, you're so much better than this, man.  C'mon, think it through before you post. 

Peace, bro. 

[Heisenberg]

Studies of left-leaning young Americans suggest those that are anti-semitic the origins are also based in religion.

1) They tend to be more likely to side with Palestinians in the Palestine/Israel war. For these groups, where anti-semitism is present, they typically hold Jewish people responsible for Israeli actions.

2) They have a distain for religion-based bad actors. They are equally likely to hold Catholics responsible for bad actions by the Vatican, as they are holding Jewish people responsible for bad actions by Israel.

Many of these people have a general belief that religion causes many of the worlds ills. So they are still religion based.

I focused on the other ones, because those are the two largest groups with widespread anti-semitism.

Why don't they have the same amount of disdain for Muslims acting in the name of Islam?

[4everwarriors]

Check out this article from USA TODAY:

Julianna Margulies: My non-Jewish friends, your silence on antisemitism is loud

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2023/11/20/antisemitism-jewish-experience-israel-hamas-war/71518720007/

[Uncle Rico]

Check out this article from USA TODAY:

Julianna Margulies: My non-Jewish friends, your silence on antisemitism is loud

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2023/11/20/antisemitism-jewish-experience-israel-hamas-war/71518720007/

I agree with her.  They need to call out Tucker Carlson and Elon Musk, too

[MuggsyB]

So the Palestinian Authority is claiming that Israel was behind the Oct 7th massacre?  Not Hamas?

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Check out this article from USA TODAY:

Julianna Margulies: My non-Jewish friends, your silence on antisemitism is loud

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2023/11/20/antisemitism-jewish-experience-israel-hamas-war/71518720007/

Your silence on Greene, Gosar, Carlson, and Musk is deafening. When are you going to call them out?

[MU82]

Check out this article from USA TODAY:

Julianna Margulies: My non-Jewish friends, your silence on antisemitism is loud

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2023/11/20/antisemitism-jewish-experience-israel-hamas-war/71518720007/

100%, Doc.

I'm hoping you will do what she says and call out all antisemitism - even if it means ending your support for antisemites (and those who give aid and comfort to antisemites) who in the past you have liked.

See, that's the hard part. It's easy for you to say, "Tlaib is an antisemite!" or "Liberal professors are antisemities!" You hated them anyway. Anybody can criticize and reject any association to those they dislike.

When it comes to Tucker, Musk, MTG, Trump and others ... let's see you not only talk the talk but walk the walk. Disavowing antisemites you have supported and/or admired in the past, that's a lot more difficult, and it takes both honesty and courage.

You can do it!

[Heisenberg]

Amnesty International in 2015

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/05/gaza-palestinians-tortured-summarily-killed-by-hamas-forces-during-2014-conflict/

Gaza: Palestinians tortured, summarily killed by Hamas forces during 2014 conflict

As well as carrying out unlawful killings, others abducted by Hamas were subjected to torture, including severe beatings with truncheons, gun butts, hoses and wire or held in stress positions. Some were interrogated and tortured or otherwise ill-treated in a disused outpatient's clinic within the grounds of Gaza City's main al-Shifa hospital. At least three people arrested during the conflict accused of "collaboration" died in custody.

"Hamas forces have displayed a disregard for the most fundamental rules of international humanitarian law. Torture and cruel treatment of detainees in an armed conflict is a war crime. Extrajudicial executions are also war crimes. The de facto administration in Gaza must send a message to all law enforcement forces to treat prisoners humanely at all times. All allegations of extrajudicial execution and torture must be impartially and independently investigated and the perpetrators brought to justice in fair trials," said Philip Luther.

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The Hospital is a military target because Hamas turned it into a military target.

The way the IDF has handled this hospital has been the most humane way an attacking force has ever dealt with a hospital turned into a military target in the history of military warfare.

Let me remind you how hospitals are handled when they become military targets. And let me also remind you that no one cared. Not one post about this here.

No one even cared when the US military was uninterested in even doing an investigation of why they bombed a hospital. Only an "assessment" to figure out how many ISIS fighters were killed—sorry civilians.

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December 2016 in Mosel, Iraq

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/12/09/us-military-admits-we-deliberately-bombed-hospital-iraq
US Military Admits: We Deliberately Bombed a Hospital in Iraq
Military spokesperson says "it's very difficult to ascertain with full and total fidelity" that no civilians were killed


The attack on the Al Salam hospital complex took place Wednesday at the request of Iraqi forces, with coalition aircraft using "precision-guided munitions," Air Force Col. John Dorrian, spokesperson for the U.S.-led coalition against ISIS, told reporters.

He said "it's very difficult to ascertain with full and total fidelity" that there were no civilian casualties, whether in the building targeted or elsewhere within the hospital complex.

ISIS fighters, Dorrian said, "were using the facility to fire heavy machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades at the Iraqi security forces in the area." The strike on the "normally protected facility" allowed the Iraqi forces "to fall back to a more defensible position," he said.

The "protection of civilians," he said later in the press conference, "has been a centerpiece, a foundational element of the campaign to liberate Mosul."

The military is not carrying out an investigation but rather an "assessment" of the strike, the spokesperson added.

[MU82]

So the Palestinian Authority is claiming that Israel was behind the Oct 7th massacre?  Not Hamas?

Pretty sure it was antifa. Or FBI plants.

[The Sultan]

Amnesty International in 2015

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/05/gaza-palestinians-tortured-summarily-killed-by-hamas-forces-during-2014-conflict/

Gaza: Palestinians tortured, summarily killed by Hamas forces during 2014 conflict

As well as carrying out unlawful killings, others abducted by Hamas were subjected to torture, including severe beatings with truncheons, gun butts, hoses and wire or held in stress positions. Some were interrogated and tortured or otherwise ill-treated in a disused outpatient's clinic within the grounds of Gaza City's main al-Shifa hospital. At least three people arrested during the conflict accused of "collaboration" died in custody.

"Hamas forces have displayed a disregard for the most fundamental rules of international humanitarian law. Torture and cruel treatment of detainees in an armed conflict is a war crime. Extrajudicial executions are also war crimes. The de facto administration in Gaza must send a message to all law enforcement forces to treat prisoners humanely at all times. All allegations of extrajudicial execution and torture must be impartially and independently investigated and the perpetrators brought to justice in fair trials," said Philip Luther.

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The Hospital is a military target because Hamas turned it into a military target.

The way the IDF has handled this hospital has been the most humane way an attacking force has ever dealt with a hospital turned into a military target in the history of military warfare.

Let me remind you how hospitals are handled when they become military targets. And let me also remind you that no one cared. Not one post about this here.

No one even cared when the US military was uninterested in even doing an investigation of why they bombed a hospital. Only an "assessment" to figure out how many ISIS fighters were killed—sorry civilians.

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December 2016 in Mosel, Iraq

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/12/09/us-military-admits-we-deliberately-bombed-hospital-iraq
US Military Admits: We Deliberately Bombed a Hospital in Iraq
Military spokesperson says "it's very difficult to ascertain with full and total fidelity" that no civilians were killed


The attack on the Al Salam hospital complex took place Wednesday at the request of Iraqi forces, with coalition aircraft using "precision-guided munitions," Air Force Col. John Dorrian, spokesperson for the U.S.-led coalition against ISIS, told reporters.

He said "it's very difficult to ascertain with full and total fidelity" that there were no civilian casualties, whether in the building targeted or elsewhere within the hospital complex.

ISIS fighters, Dorrian said, "were using the facility to fire heavy machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades at the Iraqi security forces in the area." The strike on the "normally protected facility" allowed the Iraqi forces "to fall back to a more defensible position," he said.

The "protection of civilians," he said later in the press conference, "has been a centerpiece, a foundational element of the campaign to liberate Mosul."

The military is not carrying out an investigation but rather an "assessment" of the strike, the spokesperson added.

I think it is shameful we bombed a hospital in Iraq. I think it is shameful we were ever in Iraq to begin with.

[MuggsyB]

Pretty sure it was antifa. Or FBI plants.

Well I thought originally he condemned Hamas.   I suppose I can amend my 5 pt. plan. 

[lawdog77]

I think it is shameful we bombed a hospital in Iraq. I think it is shameful we were ever in Iraq to begin with.

Yep, using what happened in Iraq to try to validate ones position is not helping.

Also this quote from Douchey:
The way the IDF has handled this hospital has been the most humane way an attacking force has ever dealt with a hospital turned into a military target in the history of military warfare.

Not sure where he gets that data.

That being said, none of us know all of the details in re al-Shifa.

[MU82]

That being said, none of us know all of the details in re al-Shifa.

Douchey does!

[forgetful]

So the Palestinian Authority is claiming that Israel was behind the Oct 7th massacre?  Not Hamas?

While it doesn't change the take home message that claiming Hamas was not responsible for Oct. 7th is ridiculous, you greatly mischaracterized what the PA said.

I haven't found the original statement (if you have it, link it), but what I did find was them referencing an Israeli news article indicating police fired on terrorists from helicopters and may have killed some of the festival goers. The thing you are referencing regarding the PA was them calling attention to this report, that they then used to blame Israel for festival deaths.

Still a bad look for the PA, but accurately reporting their bad looks is important.

[4everwarriors]

100%, Doc.

I'm hoping you will do what she says and call out all antisemitism - even if it means ending your support for antisemites (and those who give aid and comfort to antisemites) who in the past you have liked.

See, that's the hard part. It's easy for you to say, "Tlaib is an antisemite!" or "Liberal professors are antisemities!" You hated them anyway. Anybody can criticize and reject any association to those they dislike.

When it comes to Tucker, Musk, MTG, Trump and others ... let's see you not only talk the talk but walk the walk. Disavowing antisemites you have supported and/or admired in the past, that's a lot more difficult, and it takes both honesty and courage.

You can do it!

So, the BOTUS gave $10 bbbbillion to Iran in addition to the $6 bbbbillion, which btw he never froze ( maybe it'll happen when hell freezes over) and continues to talk outta both cheeks panderin' to da liberal Jewish voting block and Arabs alike. Oh, and he publicly wants Gaza to be governed by the Palestinians (lol). Hope his birthday is as chitty as he's made life for others as Crooked Joe lines his family's pockets, aina?

[Uncle Rico]

So, the BOTUS gave $10 bbbbillion to Iran in addition to the $6 bbbbillion, which btw he never froze ( maybe it'll happen when hell freezes over) and continues to talk outta both cheeks panderin' to da liberal Jewish voting block and Arabs alike. Oh, and he publicly wants Gaza to be governed by the Palestinians (lol). Hope his birthday is as chitty as he's made life for others as Crooked Joe lines his family's pockets, aina?

Hope he got his son-in-law $2 billion

[TSmith34, Inc.]

So, the BOTUS gave $10 bbbbillion to Iran in addition to the $6 bbbbillion, which btw he never froze ( maybe it'll happen when hell freezes over) and continues to talk outta both cheeks panderin' to da liberal Jewish voting block and Arabs alike. Oh, and he publicly wants Gaza to be governed by the Palestinians (lol). Hope his birthday is as chitty as he's made life for others as Crooked Joe lines his family's pockets, aina?

Brain rot. Sad.

Haley wants an age limit on running for office. Can we have an age limit on voters, too?

[lawdog77]

While it doesn't change the take home message that claiming Hamas was not responsible for Oct. 7th is ridiculous, you greatly mischaracterized what the PA said.

I haven't found the original statement (if you have it, link it), but what I did find was them referencing an Israeli news article indicating police fired on terrorists from helicopters and may have killed some of the festival goers. The thing you are referencing regarding the PA was them calling attention to this report, that they then used to blame Israel for festival deaths.

Still a bad look for the PA, but accurately reporting their bad looks is important.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/pa-falsely-says-oct-7-rave-massacre-was-committed-by-idf-netanyahu-preposterous/#:~:text=The%20Palestinian%20Authority%20falsely%20claimed,from%20Prime%20Minister%20Benjamin%20Netanyahu


"The Palestinian Authority falsely claimed Sunday that a preliminary investigation by the Israel Police has revealed that the Israel Defense Forces was responsible for the death of all 364 partygoers near Kibbutz Re'im during Hamas's October 7 onslaught, drawing fierce denunciation from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Opposition Leader Yair Lapid.

In a statement by its foreign ministry which has since been deleted from its social media accounts — but which Hebrew media said was sent as a document to diplomats and to the United Nations — Ramallah asserted that Israeli helicopters bombed Israeli civilians on October 7 during the Supernova music festival as part of the so-called "Hannibal Protocol, which allowed the occupation police and army to kill everyone."

PA has now retracted that:
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1700470299-palestinian-authority-retracts-statement-denying-hamas-responsibility-for-massacre

[MU82]

So, the BOTUS gave $10 bbbbillion to Iran in addition to the $6 bbbbillion, which btw he never froze ( maybe it'll happen when hell freezes over) and continues to talk outta both cheeks panderin' to da liberal Jewish voting block and Arabs alike. Oh, and he publicly wants Gaza to be governed by the Palestinians (lol). Hope his birthday is as chitty as he's made life for others as Crooked Joe lines his family's pockets, aina?

So, instead of following through on what you publicly vowed to do right here on Scoop - "I will never support antisemites" - you change the subject, display BDS and play whataboutism.

We get it. What you really meant is, "I will never support antisemites ... except those I have supported for years. They get a lifetime pass."

Hey, Doc, whatever you need to survive turning yourself into a pretzel.

[Pakuni]

So, the BOTUS gave $10 bbbbillion to Iran in addition to the $6 bbbbillion, which btw he never froze ( maybe it'll happen when hell freezes over)

Sigh ...

The U.S. and Qatar have reached an agreement to prevent Iran from accessing $6 billion recently unfrozen as part of a prisoner swap, the deputy treasury secretary told lawmakers on Thursday, sources confirmed to ABC News.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-halting-release-6-billion-iranian-oil-assets/story?id=103928072The

And that $10 billion he "gave" Iran:

The Biden administration has extended by four months a sanctions waiver that will allow Iraq to continue to purchase electricity from Iran and gives Iran limited access to the proceeds to buy humanitarian goods.
The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the decision-making process, said Blinken signed the waiver mainly because the administration doesn't want to cut Iraq off from a critical source of energy.
But, they said the administration is confident Iran will not be able to use any of the money for nefarious purposes. They said a rigorous vetting process is in place to ensure that the cash can only be used for food, medicine, medical equipment and agricultural goods.

https://apnews.com/article/iran-iraq-sanctions-waiver-816c2ba3f8eae10553ed07304c02db0f


Seriously, dude, you've been radicialized by right-wing misinformation.
Sad!

[MuggsyB]

I guess I've been a little preoccupied with other world events but the situation in Benin is very disturbing.  I would protect the wildlife there immediately from these terrorists and do more to help the park rangers.  Islamic Terrorists all over West Africa is a problem.  They're fking evil, get rid of them.  Then protect the all of the wonderful animals and help the civilian populations.  God bless these park rangers, they're amazing people. 

[MuggsyB]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/pa-falsely-says-oct-7-rave-massacre-was-committed-by-idf-netanyahu-preposterous/#:~:text=The%20Palestinian%20Authority%20falsely%20claimed,from%20Prime%20Minister%20Benjamin%20Netanyahu


"The Palestinian Authority falsely claimed Sunday that a preliminary investigation by the Israel Police has revealed that the Israel Defense Forces was responsible for the death of all 364 partygoers near Kibbutz Re'im during Hamas's October 7 onslaught, drawing fierce denunciation from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Opposition Leader Yair Lapid.

In a statement by its foreign ministry which has since been deleted from its social media accounts — but which Hebrew media said was sent as a document to diplomats and to the United Nations — Ramallah asserted that Israeli helicopters bombed Israeli civilians on October 7 during the Supernova music festival as part of the so-called "Hannibal Protocol, which allowed the occupation police and army to kill everyone."

PA has now retracted that:
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1700470299-palestinian-authority-retracts-statement-denying-hamas-responsibility-for-massacre

I don't trust the PA or UNRWA at all Lawdog.  We gave UNRWA 300 mill to brainwash kids in schools.  Inexcusable.

[Heisenberg]

Yep, using what happened in Iraq to try to validate ones position is not helping.

Also this quote from Douchey:
The way the IDF has handled this hospital has been the most humane way an attacking force has ever dealt with a hospital turned into a military target in the history of military warfare.

Not sure where he gets that data.

That being said, none of us know all of the details in re al-Shifa.

They could have done what the US did in 2016. They elected to clear it of patients and civilians first.

No other military does this. The IDF is the only one.

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When The Syrians kill 500k Arabs, no one cares.
When the Yemens kill 300k Arabs, no one cares.
When the Ukrainians and Russians bomb hospitals and kill 500k, not only does no one care, but we have a lot of pro-Ukrainian war hawks in this thread.

Currently, the Dafur genocide is as bad as ever right now (as in the last two weeks); what happened to all the progressives that wore Dafur wristbands? Why did they lose interest?
This was posted two hours ago https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/tea/rest-of-africa/un-adviser-warns-of-genocide-in-sudan-4439848
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2023/11/16/the-world-is-ignoring-war-genocide-and-famine-in-sudan
And what about the Uyghurs?

The only difference between Gaza and these other examples is the Jews are doing it unless you want to point out another variable I'm missing.

[Pakuni]

When The Syrians kill 500k Arabs, no one cares.
When the Yemens kill 300k Arabs, no one cares.
When the Ukrainians and Russians bomb hospitals and kill 500k, not only does no one care, but we have a lot of pro-Ukrainian war hawks in this thread.

Currently, the Dafur genocide is as bad as ever right now (as in the last two weeks); what happened to all the progressives that wore Dafur wristbands? Why did they lose interest?
This was posted two hours ago https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/tea/rest-of-africa/un-adviser-warns-of-genocide-in-sudan-4439848
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2023/11/16/the-world-is-ignoring-war-genocide-and-famine-in-sudan
And what about the Uyghurs?

Could you link some of your posts on these events?
And yeah, no one has talked about Ukraine at all. No one cares.

[MuggsyB]

Check out this article from USA TODAY:

Julianna Margulies: My non-Jewish friends, your silence on antisemitism is loud

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2023/11/20/antisemitism-jewish-experience-israel-hamas-war/71518720007/

Powerful message.