Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[jesmu84]

https://youtu.be/7Jyc-LzXqk0?si=EwcPpPsQ2Bgo4AQt

Fascinating video

[Skatastrophy]

How 'bout a lifelong politician who claims to be an ally of Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East, but openly supports the Palestinians and decries they should govern Gaza and essentially funds terrorism with $16 bbbbillion and countin'. All the while refusin' to choke off Iranian oil exports, hey?

#fromtherivertothesea

#neveragain

Man you're pretty racist. That's like 3 posts from you talking about how palestinians use kids as human shields and how they shouldn't govern themselves. Full mask off, eh?

[Not A Serious Person]

So typical. You can't muster a credible argument against what is actually said, so you need to make sh*t up. And when called on it, you double down instead of admitting your mistake.
It's your M.O. and I'm obviously an idiot for engaging with you.
But no, I won't mute you. It's too much fun pointing out your false statements, intellectual dishonesty and bad faith arguments.
Hate you? My dude, you don't even rate.

Your anger is really unhealthy. Seek help.
Until then, try and enjoy the UCLA game tonight.

[4everwarriors]

Man you're pretty racist. That's like 3 posts from you talking about how palestinians use kids as human shields and how they shouldn't govern themselves. Full mask off, eh?

I'm pretty tame compared to Palestinians, aina?

[forgetful]

https://youtu.be/7Jyc-LzXqk0?si=EwcPpPsQ2Bgo4AQt

Fascinating video

Agreed. Very well made video.

[MU82]

I'm pretty tame compared to Palestinians, aina?

You're pretty tame compared to Tucker, Nick Fuentes, Musk, MTG, the Proud Boys, Kanye, Gosar, and the insurrectionist y'all worship.

[Not A Serious Person]

The Jewish Space Laser is getting deployed!

82 might owe MTG an apology.

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November 20, 2023
Iron Beam laser defense system set to become operational earlier than expected
The security establishment sees the war in Gaza as an opportunity to test Rafael's laser interception system in the hope of making it operational as early as next year. At the same time, Rafael and IAI are accelerating the development of systems that should provide multi-layered protection from space as well

https://www.calcalistech.com/ctechnews/article/jvpqkwmtf

It is silent, so that a launch at the target is not accompanied by the thunder of the departure of interceptor missiles, similar to the existing defense systems. Its interceptions are also quiet and free of explosions. In fact, the only noise from the laser interceptor comes from the generator that supplies the electricity needed to produce the deadly beam.

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It also solves another issue. Each Iron Dome interceptor costs about $60k. An Iron Beam laser can do the job for about $3.

Hamas Rockers can built for a few hundred dollars.

[Not A Serious Person]

November 19, 2023
Poll: Biden's standing hits new lows amid Israel-Hamas war
Young voters are breaking from Biden, helping give Trump a narrow lead for the first time in NBC News polling, though the gap is within the margin of error.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/poll-bidens-standing-hits-new-lows-israel-hamas-war-rcna125251

The erosion for Biden is most pronounced among Democrats, a majority of whom believe Israel has gone too far in its military action in Gaza, and among voters ages 18 to 34, with a whopping 70% of them disapproving of Biden's handling of the war.



The poll finds a plurality of American voters, 47%, believing that Israel is defending its interests in the war, and that its military actions in Gaza are justified.

By comparison, 30% think that Israel's military actions have gone too far and are not justified. Another 21% say they don't know enough to have an opinion.

Yet among Democratic voters, 51% believe Israel has gone too far, versus 27% who say Israel's military actions are justified.

And while a majority of all voters (55%) support the United States providing military aid to Israel, almost half of Democrats (49%) say they oppose this aid.

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Is ignorance driving the belief system of a lot of younger voters? (answer ... yes!)

September 16, 2020
Nearly two-thirds of US young adults unaware 6m Jews killed in the Holocaust
According to survey of adults 18-39, 23% said they believed the Holocaust was a myth, had been exaggerated or they weren't sure

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/16/holocaust-us-adults-study

lmost two-thirds of young American adults do not know that 6 million Jews were killed during the Holocaust, and more than one in 10 believe Jews caused the Holocaust, a new survey has found, revealing shocking levels of ignorance about the greatest crime of the 20th century.

According to the study of millennial and Gen Z adults aged between 18 and 39, almost half (48%) could not name a single concentration camp or ghetto established during the second world war.

Almost a quarter of respondents (23%) said they believed the Holocaust was a myth, or had been exaggerated, or they weren't sure. One in eight (12%) said they had definitely not heard, or didn't think they had heard, about the Holocaust.

More than half (56%) said they had seen Nazi symbols on their social media platforms and/or in their communities, and almost half (49%) had seen Holocaust denial or distortion posts on social media or elsewhere online

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Don't worry; the hottest TikTok influencer, Osama bin Laden, is guiding their thinking.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

If they could only cut and paste dozens of articles a day, only to completely misread what they say like you do Heisey. That's the sign of true intelligence.

[Not A Serious Person]

If they could only cut and paste dozens of articles a day, only to completely misread what they say like you do Heisey. That's the sign of true intelligence.

More useful than your posts.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

More useful than your posts.

If "useful" means "always good for a laugh," then yes.

[MU82]

Why on Earth Are Jewish Leaders Praising Elon Musk?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/20/opinion/adl-elon-musk-antisemitism.html?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20231121&instance_id=108269&nl=the-morning&regi_id=108420427&segment_id=150618&te=1&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa

Last week a self-described Jewish conservative named Charles Weber took to X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, to address the "cowards hiding behind the anonymity of the internet and posting 'Hitler was right.'" Weber dared those trolls to "say it to our faces." One X user took him up on it.

"Okay," the user replied. Jewish communities "have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them." Echoing the great replacement conspiracy theory, which holds that Jews are scheming to undermine white political power by importing Black and brown immigrants, he accused Jews of flooding America with "hordes of minorities." Therefore, he said, he was "deeply disinterested" in Jewish panic about mounting antisemitism.

Then Elon Musk, the owner of X and one of the richest men in the world, chimed in, responding: "You have said the actual truth."

Musk's words caused a firestorm and led to a major advertising exodus from X, but they shouldn't have been that surprising, because he has been flirting with antisemitism for a while now. He's compared the liberal Jewish billionaire George Soros to the X-Men supervillain Magneto — a Jew who grew to hate humanity during the Holocaust — and later accused Soros's organization of seeking "nothing less than the destruction of western civilization." Musk has tweeted an alt-right Pepe the Frog meme and welcomed the rapper Kanye West back to Twitter after West, who now goes by Ye, threatened to go "death con 3 on Jewish people." For the last few months, he has been on a crusade against the Anti-Defamation League, a Jewish civil rights organization that he blamed for a 60 percent decline in Twitter's ad revenue. Last week, an investigation by the progressive watchdog group Media Matters for America found that X was placing ads for major corporations next to white nationalist and neo-Nazi content. (On Monday, X filed a lawsuit against Media Matters, accusing it of manipulating the platform's algorithm "to force a situation in which a brand ad post appeared adjacent to fringe content.")

So I wasn't shocked by Musk's words. I was astonished, however, by how easily, in the days following his antisemitic outburst, Musk was able to win praise from a few Jewish leaders simply by promising to censor common pro-Palestinian language. The sordid episode was a reminder of the moral rot that comes from conflating the state of Israel with the Jewish people, a rot we see on both sides of the ferocious fight over Israel's future.

Since Oct. 7, Jews the world over have been confronted by vicious antisemitism unleashed by hatred of Israel. I've long argued that anti-Zionism and antisemitism aren't the same thing; the leftists who want to see a binational state in Israel and Palestine with equal rights for all may be naïve, but they are not genocidal. However, the explosion of anti-Jewish rhetoric and violence occasioned by the war in Gaza — the stabbing of a Jewish woman in France, the shootings of Jewish day schools in Montreal, the killing of a Jewish protester near Los Angeles — has forced me to reckon with how often anti-Zionism and antisemitism are intertwined. Abhorrence of the Jewish state slips easily into abhorrence of Jews.

On the right, though, there's a mirror image of this slippage, with some defenders of the Jewish state willing to make excuses for antisemites so long as they champion Israel. The apocalyptic Christian Zionist pastor John Hagee, for example, has said that Adolf Hitler was sent by God to drive the Jews to Israel, "the only home God ever intended for the Jews to have," and claimed that the Antichrist would be "partially Jewish, as was Adolf Hitler, as was Karl Marx." (He later apologized for his insensitivity even as he said, "I cannot deny the tenets of my faith.") Despite his inflammatory words about Jews, Hagee was invited to speak at the March for Israel in Washington last week. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel has regularly embraced nationalist leaders who deploy antisemitic tropes, Donald Trump chief among them.

Musk appears to have learned the lesson that ardent Zionism can function as an alibi for antisemitism. As advertisers fled X last week, he suddenly announced that he was going to ban the pro-Palestinian slogan "From the river to the sea," as well as "decolonization," a buzzword on the anti-Zionist left. The move made a mockery of the ostensible free speech absolutism that was Musk's excuse for allowing so much antisemitism on X in the first place. It did nothing to curb overt white nationalists on the site, many of whom had celebrated Musk's "actual truth" post. But it was enough to earn him plaudits from some Jewish and Israeli spokespeople.

[JWags85]

Nearly two-thirds of US young adults unaware 6m Jews killed in the Holocaust
According to survey of adults 18-39, 23% said they believed the Holocaust was a myth, had been exaggerated or they weren't sure

I wonder how many of them also use "Nazi" and "facist" incorrectly to label anything/anyone they don't agree with.

Musk appears to have learned the lesson that ardent Zionism can function as an alibi for antisemitism. As advertisers fled X last week, he suddenly announced that he was going to ban the pro-Palestinian slogan "From the river to the sea," as well as "decolonization," a buzzword on the anti-Zionist left. The move made a mockery of the ostensible free speech absolutism that was Musk's excuse for allowing so much antisemitism on X in the first place. It did nothing to curb overt white nationalists on the site, many of whom had celebrated Musk's "actual truth" post. But it was enough to earn him plaudits from some Jewish and Israeli spokespeople.[/i]

I mean, could this be an oversimplification?  They can praise his decision on the slogans while not blanket approving/praising everything he's done?  I don't necessarily think positively calling out his decision on those slogans is full approval of everything he's done recently, but thats just me.

[Not A Serious Person]

If "useful" means "always good for a laugh," then yes.

Glad you find Holocaust ignorance and denial among the young funny.

Is it funnier to you than the laugh you got earlier from people who say this is a war for the existence of Israel?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Glad you find Holocaust ignorance and denial among the young funny.

Is it funnier to you than the laugh you got earlier from people who say this is a war for the existence of Israel?

I never said the first sentence, so you're once again lying.

I'm right about the second, which you don't have the ability to comprehend.

[MU82]

Glad you find Holocaust ignorance and denial among the young funny.

Personally, I prefer the Holocaust ignorance and denial of Alex Jones, MTG and Nick Fuentes, who have something in common (and it's not that they're young). Always good for a laugh.

[Not A Serious Person]

We are getting close to a temporary ceasefire for a hostage swap.

The problem is when Israel asks for a hostage, Hamas has to admit, "Sorry that one is dead."

@Yair_Rosenberg
We have reached the stage of the hostage deal news cycle where Hamas and Islamic Jihad start copping to killing hostages, whether by intent or neglect, to explain why some of them are not available to be released.

And Hamas wants hostages in return. But who does Hamas want?

@AviMayer
Remember this:

The Palestinians who will be released in the impending deal are convicted terrorists who are in prison because they tried to murder Israelis.

The Israelis who will be freed are innocent civilians being held hostage by terrorists.

There is no equivalence. None.

[This is what Orwell warned us about…SMH]

Why on Earth Are Jewish Leaders Praising Elon Musk?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/20/opinion/adl-elon-musk-antisemitism.html?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20231121&instance_id=108269&nl=the-morning&regi_id=108420427&segment_id=150618&te=1&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa

Last week a self-described Jewish conservative named Charles Weber took to X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, to address the "cowards hiding behind the anonymity of the internet and posting 'Hitler was right.'" Weber dared those trolls to "say it to our faces." One X user took him up on it.

"Okay," the user replied. Jewish communities "have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them." Echoing the great replacement conspiracy theory, which holds that Jews are scheming to undermine white political power by importing Black and brown immigrants, he accused Jews of flooding America with "hordes of minorities." Therefore, he said, he was "deeply disinterested" in Jewish panic about mounting antisemitism.

Then Elon Musk, the owner of X and one of the richest men in the world, chimed in, responding: "You have said the actual truth."

Musk's words caused a firestorm and led to a major advertising exodus from X, but they shouldn't have been that surprising, because he has been flirting with antisemitism for a while now. He's compared the liberal Jewish billionaire George Soros to the X-Men supervillain Magneto — a Jew who grew to hate humanity during the Holocaust — and later accused Soros's organization of seeking "nothing less than the destruction of western civilization." Musk has tweeted an alt-right Pepe the Frog meme and welcomed the rapper Kanye West back to Twitter after West, who now goes by Ye, threatened to go "death con 3 on Jewish people." For the last few months, he has been on a crusade against the Anti-Defamation League, a Jewish civil rights organization that he blamed for a 60 percent decline in Twitter's ad revenue. Last week, an investigation by the progressive watchdog group Media Matters for America found that X was placing ads for major corporations next to white nationalist and neo-Nazi content. (On Monday, X filed a lawsuit against Media Matters, accusing it of manipulating the platform's algorithm "to force a situation in which a brand ad post appeared adjacent to fringe content.")

So I wasn't shocked by Musk's words. I was astonished, however, by how easily, in the days following his antisemitic outburst, Musk was able to win praise from a few Jewish leaders simply by promising to censor common pro-Palestinian language. The sordid episode was a reminder of the moral rot that comes from conflating the state of Israel with the Jewish people, a rot we see on both sides of the ferocious fight over Israel's future.

Since Oct. 7, Jews the world over have been confronted by vicious antisemitism unleashed by hatred of Israel. I've long argued that anti-Zionism and antisemitism aren't the same thing; the leftists who want to see a binational state in Israel and Palestine with equal rights for all may be naïve, but they are not genocidal. However, the explosion of anti-Jewish rhetoric and violence occasioned by the war in Gaza — the stabbing of a Jewish woman in France, the shootings of Jewish day schools in Montreal, the killing of a Jewish protester near Los Angeles — has forced me to reckon with how often anti-Zionism and antisemitism are intertwined. Abhorrence of the Jewish state slips easily into abhorrence of Jews.

On the right, though, there's a mirror image of this slippage, with some defenders of the Jewish state willing to make excuses for antisemites so long as they champion Israel. The apocalyptic Christian Zionist pastor John Hagee, for example, has said that Adolf Hitler was sent by God to drive the Jews to Israel, "the only home God ever intended for the Jews to have," and claimed that the Antichrist would be "partially Jewish, as was Adolf Hitler, as was Karl Marx." (He later apologized for his insensitivity even as he said, "I cannot deny the tenets of my faith.") Despite his inflammatory words about Jews, Hagee was invited to speak at the March for Israel in Washington last week. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel has regularly embraced nationalist leaders who deploy antisemitic tropes, Donald Trump chief among them.

Musk appears to have learned the lesson that ardent Zionism can function as an alibi for antisemitism. As advertisers fled X last week, he suddenly announced that he was going to ban the pro-Palestinian slogan "From the river to the sea," as well as "decolonization," a buzzword on the anti-Zionist left. The move made a mockery of the ostensible free speech absolutism that was Musk's excuse for allowing so much antisemitism on X in the first place. It did nothing to curb overt white nationalists on the site, many of whom had celebrated Musk's "actual truth" post. But it was enough to earn him plaudits from some Jewish and Israeli spokespeople.

The head of the ADL's behavior regarding Musk is some of the most cynical s*** I have seen in a while.

[Skatastrophy]

The head of the ADL's behavior regarding Musk is some of the most cynical s*** I have seen in a while.

Hey, sometimes you might feel the need to placate an oligarch if you feel the future of your people is on the line. I find it hard to judge them.

[This is what Orwell warned us about…SMH]

Hey, sometimes you might feel the need to placate an oligarch if you feel the future of your people is on the line. I find it hard to judge them.

Really? The theories that Musk has been espousing have been extensively cited by anti-Semitic mass killers in the US.

Greenblatt's actions really seem to spite the safety of Jewish people globally to bolster only the current government of Israel itself. That seems extremely cynical, no?

Free speech absolutist Musk seems to have no issues implementing content moderation if it allows him to say what he wants with minimal consequences

[Pakuni]

Hey, sometimes you might feel the need to placate an oligarch if you feel the future of your people is on the line. I find it hard to judge them.

One might reasonably  suggest that the tropes in which Musk is trading and allows on Twitter are every bit the threat to the future of  Greenblatt's people as what Musk (free speech absolutist that he is) has chosen to block.

[jesmu84]

Could it be more important to someone to promote pro-zionist viewpoints and ignore anti-Semitic stuff?

[forgetful]

Could it be more important to someone to promote pro-zionist viewpoints and ignore anti-Semitic stuff?

I guess if a person hated Muslims, more than they hated Jews, they could have overall hatred towards both, but when choosing one over the other in a confrontation, they would choose the Jewish stance.

That could lead a person to be overtly anti-Semitic, but pro-Zionist.

[Golden Avalanche]

Credit to Biden for being the fulcrum in achieving a short term cessation of hostilities and perhaps the safe return of a good number of hostages. I'm sure it will hurt his electability but the right course.

[Lennys Tap]

Credit to Biden for being the fulcrum in achieving a short term cessation of hostilities and perhaps the safe return of a good number of hostages. I'm sure it will hurt his electability but the right course.

His electability is already in serious, serious doubt. A ton of people who supported him in 2020 are either meh or outright hostile to him this time around. Probably only one R he can beat - Trump.

This temporary cessation won't affect him one way or the other, though I agree - (if accomplished) it's the right course.