Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[Uncle Rico]

Too much novocaine

I believe with his abhorrent anti-semitism, investors and business leaders will cut ties with him.  Hopefully, local, state and federal governments will no longer subsidize him and his companies as well.

I truly believe he is doomed

[MU82]

In sum not so just another anti-zionist a screed from a guy that claims to be a Zionist.

forgetful took his time to address a very difficult situation. You disagree, and that's cool, but you can't help yourself and attach a personal attack at the end of it.

It's one of the many reasons why you routinely ruin even some of your decent arguments, one of the many reasons why so few take you seriously.

Also, you're unusually quiet about your anti-Semitic hero, Musk. Much easier to attack people you don't know than a rich, entitled, flamethrowing, bigoted a-hole who tells us more about who he is every day.

But yeah, 18-year-old freshmen at Cornell and Brandeis should know better!

[The Sultan]

forgetful took his time to address a very difficult situation. You disagree, and that's cool, but you can't help yourself and attach a personal attack at the end of it.

Because he is a simple person with simple thoughts. There is no nuance allowed. You are either a "Zionist" or "anti-Zionist."

That's why he gets dunked in repeatedly here, not just in this topic but in others.

[JWags85]

3) Isreal is a democracy. As such those refugees will get to vote in local and national elections. This is a one state solution. Let in millions of Palestinian refugees so they can vote Hamas as their leadership and let them eliminate the Jewish race inside Israel's borders.

This is so absurd and preposterous it completely undermines any reasonable points you make...like many of your posts.  Even the Likud party isn't this unhinged

[forgetful]

I appreciate you taking the time to write that post, forgetful.

The part that focuses on past transgressions (and/or perceptions of them) is now ancient history and does nothing about what to do to eliminate Hamas.

As for that, you make some reasonable suggestions, but most if not all might not be feasible in 1. a war zone and 2. in a war against a terror organization that will NEVER play by the rules. Everything Hamas does is a "war crime," and there is nobody to hold them accountable. They laugh at the UN or the United States or the "West" dictating any terms to them.

The best hope IMHO is that Israeli forces take still more care in trying to avoid civilian casualties than they already are. But I'm no military strategist - nobody here is - so I really don't know what that entails.

Thanks again, take care, and peace.

I don't disagree with you at all. I don't think there is a good solution.

I also agree that past transgressions are in the past, and will not help in eliminating Hamas now.

My focus on them, is in the not so simple question of, how do we avoid this repeating the same cycle of the past. Where Hamas, or a similar like minded organization re-emerges. If we don't understand past failures, we are doomed to repeat them.

I guess where I differ a bit, is I don't think it should be a question of how do we eliminate Hamas, but rather, how do we eliminate Hamas and avoid them re-emerging, possibly even stronger.

[21Jumpstreet]

John Oliver discusses the war in his most recent episode. It's a comedy show so some might take offense, but some of the points are worth a listen.

[Jockey]

It's one of the many reasons why you routinely ruin even some of your decent arguments, one of the many reasons why so few take you seriously.

I take him as seriously as I take the dentists.

[Pakuni]

3) Isreal is a democracy. As such those refugees will get to vote in local and national elections. This is a one state solution. Let in millions of Palestinian refugees so they can vote Hamas as their leadership and let them eliminate the Jewish race inside Israel's borders.

Great Replacement Theory, Israel Edition.

[forgetful]

Note, in my different rapidly generated ideas, moving women and children refugees into UN camps on Israeli soil is a temporary process, only for the duration of military excursions by a coalition force to eradicate Hamas. That would remove them from the crossfire.

Once Hamas was eradicated by coalition forces, with Arab led peacekeepers remaining, those refugees would be moved back into their original places in Gaza.

[Heisenberg]

This is so absurd and preposterous it completely undermines any reasonable points you make...like many of your posts.  Even the Likud party isn't this unhinged

It's called "right of return" and it has its own wiki page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_right_of_return

Your apology is accepted.

[Heisenberg]

forgetful took his time to address a very difficult situation. You disagree, and that's cool, but you can't help yourself and attach a personal attack at the end of it.

It's one of the many reasons why you routinely ruin even some of your decent arguments, one of the many reasons why so few take you seriously.

Also, you're unusually quiet about your anti-Semitic hero, Musk. Much easier to attack people you don't know than a rich, entitled, flamethrowing, bigoted a-hole who tells us more about who he is every day.

But yeah, 18-year-old freshmen at Cornell and Brandeis should know better!

I addressed Musk earlier. I barely pay attention to him and have no idea what he is saying. And I'm not interested in spending time coming up to speed on his tweets.

So have at him .... not interested.

[Uncle Rico]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/musk-endorses-tweet-claiming-jews-stoke-hatred-of-white-people-as-the-actual-truth/amp/

Nice summary of Elon's anti-semitism with numbers showing how X has become a bastion for anti-semites and racists.  Very telling stuff that a social media owner is propagating anti-Semitic tropes.  No wonder anti-semitism is on the rise

When will his supporters push back?  Very important question

[Heisenberg]

Note, in my different rapidly generated ideas, moving women and children refugees into UN camps on Israeli soil is a temporary process, only for the duration of military excursions by a coalition force to eradicate Hamas. That would remove them from the crossfire.

Once Hamas was eradicated by coalition forces, with Arab led peacekeepers remaining, those refugees would be moved back into their original places in Gaza.

So they are sub-human only to be corralled like livestock, fed, and cleaned? Then, when they act like actual humans and hundreds of thousands refuse to return and claim their "right of return," people like you will agree. The UN will demand a right of return. Hundreds of thousands will protest for their right of return.

Then what? Force them back to Gaza at the point of a Bayonet? Will you support that? It's your idea!

[Uncle Rico]

Tucker Carlson continues his anti-Semitic ways with fellow anti-semite, Candace Owens. 

https://www.mediaite.com/news/tucker-carlson-accused-of-going-full-on-antisemite-in-interview-with-candace-owens/amp/

One wonders when the pushback will come against Carlson and he'll be called out for spewing this nonsense to his audience.  Very shameful

[Heisenberg]

Note, in my different rapidly generated ideas, moving women and children refugees into UN camps on Israeli soil is a temporary process, only for the duration of military excursions by a coalition force to eradicate Hamas. That would remove them from the crossfire.

Once Hamas was eradicated by coalition forces, with Arab led peacekeepers remaining, those refugees would be moved back into their original places in Gaza.

This is a fantasy. No Arab country will take even one Palestinian refugee and will never send Arab peacekeepers into Gaza. They have repeatedly said they will do no such thing over and over in just the last few weeks.

Why do you keep bringing this up?

[JWags85]

It's called "right of return" and it has its own wiki page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_right_of_return

Your apology is accepted.

That is not at all the same as Palestinian refugees overrunning Israel and electing Hamas the ruling party. 

[Heisenberg]

That is not at all the same as Palestinian refugees overrunning Israel and electing Hamas as the ruling party.

If several hundred thousand Palestinian refugees relocate to Israel. In that case, they will claim the "right of return" and, therefore, are Israeli citizens and vote for Hamas, the Palestinian Authority, or something similar to the Israeli government.

[JWags85]

If several hundred thousand Palestinian refugees relocate to Israel. In that case, they will claim the "right of return" and, therefore, are Israeli citizens and vote for Hamas, the Palestinian Authority, or something similar to the Israeli government.

Do you know the population of Israel? 300K Palestinians becoming Israeli citizens wouldn't even crack 10% of the population.  Given half the population of Gaza is minors, that's likely less than 150K new voters.  They likely wouldn't significantly affect a legislation, much less thrust an entire new party and ideology into power. 

[Pakuni]

If several hundred thousand Palestinian refugees relocate to Israel. In that case, they will claim the "right of return" and, therefore, are Israeli citizens and vote for Hamas, the Palestinian Authority, or something similar to the Israeli government.

This is so dumb.
1. Israel isn't going to grant several hundred thousand Palestinian refugees citizenship and the right to vote.
2. Israel isn't going to allow Hamas to operate as a legitimate political party and put its candidates on the ballot.

[Heisenberg]

This is so dumb.
1. Israel isn't going to grant several hundred thousand Palestinian refugees citizenship and the right to vote.
2. Israel isn't going to allow Hamas to operate as a legitimate political party and put its candidates on the ballot.

Correct and correct ... and the UN will accuse them if human rights violations.

In other words, they do not want these people's responsibility, nor are they required to take them.

[Jockey]

It's called "right of return" and it has its own wiki page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_right_of_return

Your apology is accepted.

Numerous people here have put out possible ideas and partial solutions. Obviously with a lot of thought.

But you just throw out ill thought out answers to solve everything and insult those who have actual ideas.

You are a know-it-all who knows almost nothing. You think the longer your post is, the wiser you are. It's embarrassing in the worst chicos tradition.

[Jockey]

If several hundred thousand Palestinian refugees relocate to Israel. In that case, they will claim the "right of return" and, therefore, are Israeli citizens and vote for Hamas, the Palestinian Authority, or something similar to the Israeli government.

Embarrassing.

[rocket surgeon]

i guess pro-palestinian insurrections are different than that "other" one eyn'a?


  another "mostly peaceful" freedom of expression i guess vandalizing the white house fence, multiple police officers injured


and ONE ARREST???   hmmmmmmm....some are just more equal than others

[Uncle Rico]

i guess pro-palestinian insurrections are different than that "other" one eyn'a?


  another "mostly peaceful" freedom of expression i guess vandalizing the white house fence, multiple police officers injured


and ONE ARREST???   hmmmmmmm....some are just more equal than others

9.5 out of 10

[lawdog77]

9.5 out of 10

Are you a Russian judge. What does it take to get a 10?