Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[MU82]

What do you think of the Reproductive Justice/Free Palestine signs or Gays for Gaza?   This seriously confuses me.

That group has about as much sway as Scoopers do.

[forgetful]

I showed what Bill Clinton's opinion was. He blamed Arafat for walking away because he was never serious because they don't want a two-state solution.

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And if you're talking about, Robert Malley, the only person who blamed the west, you do know that he was fired in May, sorry I need to put on forced leave, and is under investigation for being an Iranian spy.

So do you have any other sources that say it was the America/Israel's fault other than an Iranian spy?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/09/06/rob-malley-iran-security-clearance-investigation/

Clinton is not going to say he screwed up. He is going to blame someone, and it isn't going to be Israel.

This does a good job of summarizing why everything failed. News flash, it wasn't Arafat's fault, indeed he warned them the meeting was premature as there were too many issues that needed to be resolved before hand. Clinton rushed the meeting, everything he presented as a mediator had first been run through Barak. It was never a true negotiation.

https://carnegieendowment.org/2020/07/13/lost-in-woods-camp-david-retrospective-pub-82287

In the end, blame to spread around everyone involved.

[Pakuni]

That group has about as much sway as Scoopers do.

Anything is possible with a letter-writing campaign.

[MU82]

Anything is possible with a letter-writing campaign.

I don't seem to remember Douchey or the dentists being so upset about anti-Semitic signs (or torches) being carried as the very fine neo-Nazis in Charlottesville chanted, "Jews will not replace us." (Muggs gets a pass because he wasn't a Scooper yet.)

I guess college kids and Gays for Gaza elicit much more terror than neo-Nazis, Proud Boys and other white supremacists do.

[forgetful]

I don't seem to remember Douchey or the dentists being so upset about anti-Semitic signs (or torches) being carried as the very fine neo-Nazis in Charlottesville chanted, "Jews will not replace us." (Muggs gets a pass because he wasn't a Scooper yet.)

I guess college kids and Gays for Gaza elicit much more terror than neo-Nazis, Proud Boys and other white supremacists do.

So many of those protesting and holding signs have no idea what they mean. They just like to protest.

[Uncle Rico]

I don't seem to remember Douchey or the dentists being so upset about anti-Semitic signs (or torches) being carried as the very fine neo-Nazis in Charlottesville chanted, "Jews will not replace us." (Muggs gets a pass because he wasn't a Scooper yet.)

I guess college kids and Gays for Gaza elicit much more terror than neo-Nazis, Proud Boys and other white supremacists do.

Neo-Nazis and Proud Boys are just pawns

[4everwarriors]

Nah man, ewe haven't perfected the use of pawns yet. Stick ta watt ya no, hey?

[Uncle Rico]

Nah man, ewe haven't perfected the use of pawns yet. Stick ta watt ya no, hey?

Telling Jewish people how they should act?

[Heisenberg]

Clinton is not going to say he screwed up. He is going to blame someone, and it isn't going to be Israel.

This does a good job of summarizing why everything failed. News flash, it wasn't Arafat's fault, indeed he warned them the meeting was premature as there were too many issues that needed to be resolved before hand. Clinton rushed the meeting, everything he presented as a mediator had first been run through Barak. It was never a true negotiation.

https://carnegieendowment.org/2020/07/13/lost-in-woods-camp-david-retrospective-pub-82287

In the end, blame to spread around everyone involved.

Again, this quotes the Iranian spy Malley that Arafat did nothing wrong. You got anyone else?

Or are you going with the characterization of an Iranian spy over Clinton and Barack?

[Heisenberg]

From the Associated Press about that Gaxs health ministry death toll numbers

About that Gaza Health ministry test death toll...

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-gaza-health-ministry-health-death-toll-59470820308b31f1faf73c703400b033

The ministry never distinguishes between civilians and combatants. That becomes clearer after the dust settles, when the U.N. and rights groups investigate and militant groups offer a tally of members killed. The Israeli military also conducts post-war investigations.

The Health Ministry doesn't report how Palestinians were killed, whether from Israeli airstrikes and artillery barrages or other means, like errant Palestinian rocket fire. It describes all casualties as victims of "Israeli aggression."

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Hundreds of rockets a day are fired from Gaza into Israel. Estimates are about 20% of them fail in someway in land in Gaza.  So, hundreds of Hamas rockets have landed in Gaza over the last month and killed civilians. No estimate is given for this.

No estimate is given for the number of Hamas fighters killed either.

Additionally a significant number of Hamas fighters are male between 14 to 17 (exact number not known). How many of these "children" killed in this age range were carrying a gun?

Yes thousands have been killed, but the current number is probably less than 11,000. But how many that have been killed are civilians due to the IDF? No one knows.

[Heisenberg]

This was this largest such rally in at at least a generation. And it was not even the largest rally of the weekend, the pro-Hamas/Palestinian rally this weekend in London was larger (300K).

France is the third largest country with a Jewish population after Israel and the US (where about 75% of the world's Jewish population lives)


More than 180,000 demonstrators march in France against antisemitism
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/13/europe/france-march-antisemitism-israel-hamas-war-intl-hnk/index.html

In Paris, an estimated 105,000 demonstrators joined the march, making it the largest mobilization against antisemitism since the protest against the desecration of the Jewish cemetery in Carpentras in 1990, according to CNN affiliate BFM TV.

Protesters were joined in the French capital by political figures including Prime Minister Elisabeth Borne and former presidents Francois Hollande and Nicolas Sarkozy. Together they held a banner with the words, "For the Republic, against antisemitism."

Demonstrators came out in smaller numbers in cities including Nice, Lyon and Marseille, according to BFM TV. More than 182,000 people took part in marches across the country, BFM TV reported, citing the interior ministry.

Tensions have been rising in France, and particularly in the capital, over the Israel-Hamas war, resulting in a surge in antisemitic incidents, according to French President Emmanual Macron. 

In a letter published in French newspaper Le Parisien on Saturday, Macron condemned "the unbearable resurgence of unbridled antisemitism."

He said more than 1,000 antisemitic acts were committed in France in one month alone – three times more than over the course of the entire previous year.

[forgetful]

Again, this quotes the Iranian spy Malley that Arafat did nothing wrong. You got anyone else?

Or are you going with the characterization of an Iranian spy over Clinton and Barack?

The whole article I linked was written by one of the Chief negotiators for both the Oslo and Camp David accords.

If you wonder why people gave you the moniker, these are some of the reasons why.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I'm very happy the hate and violent speech has been silenced, but again, I'm on the fence about how this has been done.

So .. add Columbia to Brandeis that did this action. And since Harvard and Penn also signed a letter with Columbia, I expect they will do the same.

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https://www.dailywire.com/news/ivy-league-school-shuts-down-anti-semitic-palestinian-student-groups

Columbia University announced on Friday that it was banning two anti-Semitic student groups on campus for the remainder of the fall term after they repeatedly violated school rules.

The private New York City school suspended Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) and Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP) as official student groups in light of their recent actions on campus.

"This decision was made after the two groups repeatedly violated University policies related to holding campus events, culminating in an unauthorized event Thursday afternoon that proceeded despite warnings and included threatening rhetoric and intimidation," said Gerald Rosberg, Senior Executive Vice President of the University and Chair, Special Committee on Campus Safety.

"Suspension means the two groups will not be eligible to hold events on campus or receive University funding," he added. "Lifting the suspension will be contingent on the two groups demonstrating a commitment to compliance with University policies and engaging in consultations at a group leadership level with University officials."

Jewish Voice for Peace is an anti-Semitic organization that has held numerous anti-Israel rallies after Hamas murdered 1,400 Israelis in an unprecedented terrorist attack last month.

"Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP) is a radical anti-Israel and anti-Zionist activist group that advocates for the boycott of Israel and eradication of Zionism," according to the ADL, which adds that they have "expressed support for violence and, occasionally, classic antisemitic tropes."

Students for Justice in Palestine has "explicitly endorsed the actions of Hamas and their armed attacks on Israeli civilians and voiced an increasingly radical call for confronting and 'dismantling' Zionism on U.S. college campuses," the ADL noted.

Actually this is different from Brandeis.  Columbia didn't target the content of the speech, they targeted the manner of the speech which is allowed. If it's true that these orgs have been throwing unauthorized events (and the reason that they're unauthorized isn't because of the content of the speech) then Columbia is allowed to punish the orgs for violating their rules.

This is a much better response than what Brandeis did. Viewpoint nuetrailty is key

[Heisenberg]

The whole article I linked was written by one of the Chief negotiators for both the Oslo and Camp David accords.

If you wonder why people gave you the moniker, these are some of the reasons why.

The chief negotiators were Bill Clinton and Ehud Barack. They said Arafat was not serious.

And the fact that you picked an article that quoted an Irainan spy for support tells you all you need to know.

Try this

https://www.fpri.org/article/2004/11/arafat-man-wanted-much/


And for Pakuni, who googled that Sharon's visit to the Temple Mount was the reason for the Second Intifada. (Arafat provoked by insulting the Jewish religion)

Also from the article:

All sides blundered at Camp David.  Yet, Arafat's refusal to make a counteroffer, his destructive fable that the Jewish temples had never been in Jerusalem, and his sanctification of the conflict after the summit ("the al-Aksa Intifada") shook confidence that he really wanted a deal.  But he found little international support for a unilateral declaration of independence.

Arafat was spared the impending stalemate, courtesy of General Sharon, his old foe whose overreaching had rescued him in Beirut eighteen years earlier.  On September 28, Sharon reasserted Israeli claims to the Temple Mount in a highly publicized, well-guarded walk on the Temple Mount.  To Arafat, this must have seemed a repetition of Netanyahu's 1996 gaffe. He encouraged deadly demonstrations throughout the Palestinian Authority and by Israeli Arabs in Israel itself.

Why did Arafat resist all international efforts to restrain what quickly became a guerrilla war punctuated by terrorism, unlike the first intifada?  Why did he not seize either the Clinton parameters of late December — well beyond Barak's original offer — or conclude a deal with Barak at Taba?  Why did he insist on both Jerusalem and the Right of Return, guaranteeing the dissolution of Israeli public support for doing any deal with him?

Arafat simply thought he could win.  On the surface, he had good reasons.  Even if Barak lost the January 2001 Israeli elections to Sharon, it would be easy to isolate an Israel led by so highly unpopular a figure.  George W. Bush, rejected by ninety per cent of the Jewish voters and son of a President who had quarreled with Israel, would be sympathetic.  Israel might be forced into a "two-state solution" whereby Arafat got one state now and, after the return of the refugees, another larger state later..  These proved fatal miscalculations.

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The leaders of the Palestinians are not interested in a two-state solution. They have never been.

Occasionally the mouth the words for Western Progressives but, in the end, Palestinian Leaders only talk about a one-date solution ... "from the River to the Sea..."
.
When they are ready for two-states, the region will have peace with Israel.

[MuggsyB]

Hey Heisy,

Do you know anything about an organization called CAMERA?  Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting and Analysis?  They have a lot of interesting feedback on media in general and do quite a few webinars. 

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Hey Heisy,

Do you know anything about an organization called CAMERA?  Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting and Analysis?  They have a lot of interesting feedback on media in general and do quite a few webinars.

If not, he'll make something up. And if so, he'll make something up as well.

[Heisenberg]

About the Cease fire and Humanitarian Aid ... Who gets it?

November 13, 2023
Hamas Operatives Beat Civilians Off Humanitarian Aid Trucks and Steal their Food
https://www.jewishpress.com/news/eye-on-palestine/hamas/hamas-operatives-beat-civilians-off-humanitarian-aid-trucks-and-steal-their-food/2023/11/13/

Kan 11 News on Sunday night ran this video showing Hamas operatives beating Gaza residents who tried to receive food packages from the humanitarian aid trucks that entered the Strip. In the video, Hamas members are seen brutally beating the residents, and according to a source who spoke with Kan 11, the Hamasniks then proceeded to steal the contents of the trucks and transfer them to the terrorist organization's lairs.

November 12, 2023
WATCH: Hamas blocks IDF fuel delivery to Gaza's Shifa Hospital
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-772918

Israeli security forces delivered 300 liters of diesel fuel to Shifa Hospital in Gaza early Sunday morning and later received intelligence indicating that Hamas had intercepted the delivery, according to a Sunday night IDF statement.

The IDF released three separate recordings of the event. The first was an audio recording of an exchange between a representative of the Coordination and Liaison Administration (CLA), which implements civilian policy regarding the Israeli government's activity in the Gaza Strip, and an official from Shifa Hospital.

The two discussed the delivery logistics, explaining where to go and how it would be conducted.

"After we deliver the fuel," the CLA representative said, "our forces will move back so that they won't be next to the junction. You will send an ambulance to take the fuel."

[Heisenberg]

November 12, 2023
Hamas envisioned deeper attacks, aiming to provoke an Israeli war
Evidence gleaned since Oct. 7 shows Hamas militants prepared for a 'second phase' of assaults amid hopes of inspiring violence in the West Bank and beyond
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/12/hamas-planning-terror-gaza-israel/

Hamas meticulously planned and prepared for a massacre of Israeli civilians on a scale that was highly likely to provoke Israel's government into sending troops into Gaza, analysts said. Indeed, Hamas leaders have publicly expressed a willingness to accept heavy losses — potentially including the deaths of many Gazan civilians living under Hamas rule.

"Will we have to pay a price? Yes, and we are ready to pay it," Ghazi Hamad, a member of the Hamas politburo, told Beirut's LCBI television in an interview aired on Oct. 24. "We are called a nation of martyrs, and we are proud to sacrifice martyrs."

Hamas was willing to accept such sacrifices as the price for kick-starting a new wave of violent Palestinian resistance in the region and scuttling efforts at normalizing relations between Israel and Arab states, according to current and former intelligence officials and counterterrorism experts.

"They were very clear-eyed as to what would happen to Gaza on the day after," said a senior Israeli military official with access to sensitive intelligence, including interrogations with Hamas fighters and intercepted communications. "They wanted to buy their place in history — a place in the history of jihad — at the expense of the lives of many people in Gaza."

[jesmu84]

It's getting to the point where "human shields" is the new "saddam has WMDs"

[MuggsyB]

It's getting to the point where "human shields" is the new "saddam has WMDs"

Maybe it's getting to the point where we should annex the entire Middle East. 

[lawdog77]

It's getting to the point where "human shields" is the new "saddam has WMDs"

So you're saying Hamas isn't using innocent Palestinians as protection? Source?

It's nothing new for them:
Hamas, an Islamist militant group and the de facto governing authority of the Gaza Strip, has been
using human shields in conflicts with Israel since 2007. According to the Statute of the International
Criminal Court (ICC), the war crime of using human shields encompasses "utilizing the presence of
a civilian or other protected person to render certain points, areas, or military forces immune from
military operations." Hamas has launched rockets, positioned military-related infrastructure-hubs
and routes, and engaged the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) from, or in proximity to, residential and
commercial areas.

https://stratcomcoe.org/cuploads/pfiles/hamas_human_shields.pdf

[Pakuni]

Maybe it's getting to the point where we should annex the entire Middle East.

Sure, why not. Things went so well in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[MU82]

It's getting to the point where "human shields" is the new "saddam has WMDs"

Except Hamas actually does use its own people - including children - as human shields. They are proud to make martyrs out of their human shields.

[MuggsyB]

Sure, why not. Things went so well in Iraq and Afghanistan.

That wasn't annexation Pakuni as you know full well. 

[Lennys Tap]

So many of those protesting and holding signs have no idea what they mean. They just like to protest.

Right wing groups who promote antisemitism and violence against Jews are dangerous.

Left wing groups who do the same are just kidding.

Seems fair.