Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[Heisenberg]

A start

Don't you think it is awful that thousands of children are dying daily in the Gaza Strip?

It sickens me. But where did you get thousands of children a day? Source?
And how many of these children are 15 to 17 Hamas fighters?

What do you think of the recent bombings of refugee camps?  What do you think of the further destruction of Universities, Hospitals, and Schools by IDF air forces?  Why do you condone this?  Is it okay (as we've seen) for IDF soldiers in tanks to be targeting civilian vehicles that are clearly fleeing the war zone?

First, what is a refugee?

Did you know that the UN has two definitions? One for the world and another for Palestinians only?

https://www.unrwa.org/palestine-refugees

Palestine refugees are defined as "persons whose normal place of residence was Palestine during the period 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948, and who lost both home and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 conflict."

UNRWA services are available to all those living in its area of operations who meet this definition, who are registered with the Agency and who need assistance. The descendants of Palestine refugee males, including adopted children, are also eligible for registration. When the Agency began operations in 1950, it was responding to the needs of about 750,000 Palestine refugees. Today, some 5.9 million Palestine refugees are eligible for UNRWA services.

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To be clear, there are 6 million Palestinian refugees versus 8 million Jews in Israel. All descents from 750,000 from 1948. What are they refugees from? Isreal! The only way they stop being refugees is to genocide the Jews out of existence and allow them to move back to Haifa and Tel Aviv.

So, what is a Palestinian refugee camp like Jibala?  It is not this, which most people think is a refugee camp.



Instead, it is a permanent city that the UN runs. Here is a picture of Jibala, a poor third-world town, complete with multi-story buildings, schools, shops, and restaurants and businesses.



Businesses? Yes, here are some pictures of a 2019 Tomato Paste Factory inside the Jibala refugee camp.



So the proper question asked is why Hamas would have its tunnels and fighting infrastructure located in Jibala, under the schools and hospitals. Because it is a city of 116,000, providing it with many human shields. And since it has the name "refugee camp," that relies on people like you, Western progressives who do not understand the situation, to think that Israel is bombing tents full of people.

It worked; the outrage in the structure of your question above suggests you had no idea what Jibala was.

So, Israel is attacking Hamas' infrastructure. They dropped leaflets and sent Gazans What's App SMS and v-mails (about 80% of Gaza has mobile phones), telling them to leave).

Many did not, and it sickens me that Israel had to view them as military combatants, per article 28 of the 1949 Geneva Convention.

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More later

[Jockey]

Please no!!!!!

[Heisenberg]

Disingenuous and incorrect.  Seemingly, from your deranged point of view, Israel isn't capable of committing war crimes, and if they are, they weren't war crimes to begin with!

What war crime do you think Israel has committed that has you so upset?  Spell it out.

[MuggsyB]

A start

Don't you think it is awful that thousands of children are dying daily in the Gaza Strip?

It sickens me. But where did you get thousands of children a day? Source?
And how many of these children are 15 to 17 Hamas fighters?

What do you think of the recent bombings of refugee camps?  What do you think of the further destruction of Universities, Hospitals, and Schools by IDF air forces?  Why do you condone this?  Is it okay (as we've seen) for IDF soldiers in tanks to be targeting civilian vehicles that are clearly fleeing the war zone?

First, what is a refugee?

Did you know that the UN has two definitions? One for the world and another for Palestinians only?

https://www.unrwa.org/palestine-refugees

Palestine refugees are defined as "persons whose normal place of residence was Palestine during the period 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948, and who lost both home and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 conflict."

UNRWA services are available to all those living in its area of operations who meet this definition, who are registered with the Agency and who need assistance. The descendants of Palestine refugee males, including adopted children, are also eligible for registration. When the Agency began operations in 1950, it was responding to the needs of about 750,000 Palestine refugees. Today, some 5.9 million Palestine refugees are eligible for UNRWA services.

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To be clear, there are 6 million Palestinian refugees versus 8 million Jews in Israel. All descents from 750,000 from 1948. What are they refugees from? Isreal! The only way they stop being refugees is to genocide the Jews out of existence and allow them to move back to Haifa and Tel Aviv.

So, what is a Palestinian refugee camp like Jibala?  It is not this, which most people think is a refugee camp.



Instead, it is a permanent city that the UN runs. Here is a picture of Jibala, a poor third-world town, complete with multi-story buildings, schools, shops, and restaurants and businesses.



Businesses? Yes, here are some pictures of a 2019 Tomato Paste Factory inside the Jibala refugee camp.



So the proper question asked is why Hamas would have its tunnels and fighting infrastructure located in Jibala, under the schools and hospitals. Because it is a city of 116,000, providing it with many human shields. And since it has the name "refugee camp," that relies on people like you, Western progressives who do not understand the situation, to think that Israel is bombing tents full of people.

It worked; the outrage in the structure of your question above suggests you had no idea what Jibala was.

So, Israel is attacking Hamas' infrastructure. They dropped leaflets and sent Gazans What's App SMS and v-mails (about 80% of Gaza has mobile phones), telling them to leave).

Many did not, and it sickens me that Israel had to view them as military combatants, per article 28 of the 1949 Geneva Convention.

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Heisy,

Is there anything that actually distinguishes a Palestinian from an Arab? The ethnicity didn't exist until the 1920's as far as I can tell.  Also, there is a report that the UNRWA had 15 teachers celebrating the Oct 7th ignominious butchery of Jews. 

[The Sultan]

So why is it so hard to accept the definitions of these phrases/words and their implications for the Israelis and all Jews? Why is it so hard to find something else to convey your unhappiness with Israel?  Why constantly use the words of genocide and then dissemble them when you're called on it?

Why is it so hard for you to have a logical discussion?

I am not anti-Israel. I have made my point very clear. You are the one who tries to push that argument to the extreme because you can't address it otherwise.

[Hards Alumni]

Got it Heisey, you're for the ghettoization of all Palestinian people.

Next point.

How should the Palestinian people unshackle themselves from Hamas?  They have no means to do this.  No weapons, no resources, and they're pinned in by the walls around Gaza.  What is your solution? 

After all, these walls are in place to keep the Palestinians apart from the Jewish population in Israel.  Of course, unless they have a work permit to enter Israel.  Then they just have to be back in their pen by sundown.

Calling them one and the same is a very convenient solution.  That allows them to be bombed mercilessly without feeling bad or it being considered a war crime.

Also, thanks for your encyclopaedia run down of what the Nakba was.  I had no idea what a refugee is and what the conditions are.  Truly enlightening stuff.  This is also sarcasm.

What should the Palestinians do?  Wait for the slow settler creep like they are doing in the Occupied West Bank?  Where you're not really a citizen if you're not a Jewish person, and your home can be taken from you by force without so much as a peep from the local police.   Since 2017 around 400,000 Israelis have settled in the West Bank.  We are watching the forced displacement of Palestinians (Some would call this a Pogrom) and pretending that we're not watching exactly what happened in the 1800s in the US to the First People of the Americas. 

[Hards Alumni]

What war crime do you think Israel has committed that has you so upset?  Spell it out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_2023_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war

Oh look, there's a whole wikipedia article about it.  Took me only a couple of seconds to find it. 

So either you didn't want to do a cursory search, or you didn't like the results you got.  And it is 100% the latter. 

I don't know how you can have Israel's boot so far down your throat that you don't see what is right in front of you, and the mass reporting about it.

This again is why you're not a serious person.

[4everwarriors]

Why is it so hard for you to have a logical discussion?

I am not anti-Israel. I have made my point very clear. You are the one who tries to push that argument to the extreme because you can't address it otherwise.

Coulda fooled me, hey?

[tower912]

You've proven time and again how easy you are to fool.

[4everwarriors]

Wrong, hey?

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Says the guy who thinks life in America is as bad as a developing nation. You seem to have absolutely no idea how easy we have it in most regards.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_2023_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war

Oh look, there's a whole wikipedia article about it.  Took me only a couple of seconds to find it. 

So either you didn't want to do a cursory search, or you didn't like the results you got.  And it is 100% the latter. 

I don't know how you can have Israel's boot so far down your throat that you don't see what is right in front of you, and the mass reporting about it.

This again is why you're not a serious person.

I don't see anything specifically in the Geneva conventions about Children's oncology wards! Checkmate

[WellsstreetWanderer]

Got it Heisey, you're for the ghettoization of all Palestinian people.

Next po

After all, these walls are in place to keep the Palestinians apart from the Jewish population in Israel.  Of course, unless they have a work permit to enter Israel.  Then they just have to be back in their pen by sundown

The walls are to keep the Palestinians out so they don't kill Israelis. Not the other way around. They
have been offered peace three times and have rejected it to wage war against Israel. Why is it that the surrounding Arab countries don't want Palestinians in their borders? Because they are troublemakers  They invaded Lebanon and turned the "Paris of the Middleeast" into a war zone and drove out the Christians.

[The Sultan]

Coulda fooled me, hey?

Thanks, but that's not really hard to do.

[Pakuni]

The walls are to keep the Palestinians out so they don't kill Israelis. Not the other way around. They
have been offered peace three times and have rejected it to wage war against Israel. Why is it that the surrounding Arab countries don't want Palestinians in their borders? Because they are troublemakers  They invaded Lebanon and turned the "Paris of the Middleeast" into a war zone and drove out the Christians.

Palestinians Invaded Lebanon and drove out the Christians?
Lol.

[The Sultan]

The walls are to keep the Palestinians out so they don't kill Israelis. Not the other way around. They
have been offered peace three times and have rejected it to wage war against Israel. Why is it that the surrounding Arab countries don't want Palestinians in their borders? Because they are troublemakers  They invaded Lebanon and turned the "Paris of the Middleeast" into a war zone and drove out the Christians.

LOL, WTF are you even talking about?

[jesmu84]

Palestine =\= Hamas

[Heisenberg]

s/

The walls are to keep the Palestinians out so they don't kill Israelis. Not the other way around. They
have been offered peace three times and have rejected it to wage war against Israel. Why is it that the surrounding Arab countries don't want Palestinians in their borders? Because they are troublemakers  They invaded Lebanon and turned the "Paris of the Middleeast" into a war zone and drove out the Christians.

Good post. I understand exactly what you're talking about ...

The Lebanese civil war of the 1970s/1980s saw the PLO drive the Christian population out. In other words, the PLO colonized Lebanon.

And yes, after WW2, Beirut, because of its heavy French influence and booming economy, was known as the "Paris of the Middle East." But once the Palestinians took it over, they wrecked as they have with Gaza, the West Bank, Jordan, and the Golan.

You are also correct on why no other Muslim country wants any Palestinians. Egypt has built a massive wall with Gaza, is making another bigger war, and has its army on the border with Gaza and will shoot Palestinians before they allow them into the Sinai.

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When they laugh and mock you ... you're right. When you are wrong, they write a post explaining why. Lately, we get a little explanation and lots of attacks and mocking.

[Heisenberg]

Palestine =\= Hamas

Germany =\= Nazis

The Allied killed 2 million German citizens from 1939 to 1945.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Coulda fooled me, hey?

Hey, did Tucks, Marge, Gosar et al also fool you?

[The Sultan]

s/
Good post. I understand exactly what you're talking about ...

The Lebanese civil war of the 1970s/1980s saw the PLO drive the Christian population out. In other words, the PLO colonized Lebanon.

And yes, after WW2, Beirut, because of its heavy French influence and booming economy, was known as the "Paris of the Middle East." But once the Palestinians took it over, they wrecked as they have with Gaza, the West Bank, Jordan, and the Golan.

You are also correct on why no other Muslim country wants any Palestinians. Egypt has built a massive wall with Gaza, is making another bigger war, and has its army on the border with Gaza and will shoot Palestinians before they allow them into the Sinai.

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When you laugh at mock you ... you're right. When you are wrong, the right post explains why. Lately, we get a lot of explanations and lots of attacks and mocking.

No. You get mocked when you are laughably wrong. Which is why it happens to you so often.

The Palestinians did not "invade" Lebanon. The PLO did not "colonize Lebanon." The Palestinians did not "take over Beirut."

Honestly...be better.  You try to portray yourself as smart and a student of history.  At least make an effort to live up to that OK?

[4everwarriors]

How long are you gonna try to hammer home your flawed thinking? Repeating something a dozen times doesn't make it true, hey?

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Worth a watch from an American Nurse with Doctor's Without Border's. Ya'll who are so bloodthirsty/indifferent towards civilian collateral damage would do well to view at least.

https://x.com/omarbaddar/status/1721959865508143339?s=46&t=G2FhP_F2kWewaBOpvRv5lg

[Heisenberg]

No. You get mocked when you are laughably wrong. Which is why it happens to you so often.

The Palestinians did not "invade" Lebanon. The PLO did not "colonize Lebanon." The Palestinians did not "take over Beirut."

Honestly...be better.  You try to portray yourself as smart and a student of history.  At least make an effort to live up to that OK?

Ever Hezbollah?  Where are they located, when did they get there, and how did they get there?

[The Sultan]

Ever Hezbollah?  Where are they located, when did they get there, and how did they get there?

Hezbollah are Shias who were in Lebanon when the civil war broke out and are now clients of Iran. The Palestinians are Sunnis.

So...wrong again.