Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[The Sultan]

You argue yourself in circles, presenting opinions as facts and confusing the two.

So which is it? Above or below?

Also does your current opinion fact still mean they should only "severely weaken" Hamas. That reads as they should still be in charge of Gaza, and given an acceptable number of Jews they can kill every year. 1400 too many, 50 to 100, acceptable.

Look forward to your dissembling.

Nope.  Wrong again.  I have been very consistent in my statements from the beginning.  Israel is not going to be able to wipe out Hamas.  I have used the phrases "severely weaken" or "maim."  But they aren't going to be able to completely eliminate them. 

And Israel is definitely going to be occupying Gaza again. Likely for some time. I don't see a workable alternative right now.

[MuggsyB]

Why in the F is Iran chairing the UN''s Human Rights Council?

[The Sultan]

Why in the F is Iran chairing the UN''s Human Rights Council?

Because the Human Rights Council is a joke, as is a lot of the work the UN does.

[MU82]

I'm still having trouble understanding how some of the most pro-Israel folks here (of which I am one BTW) could possibly object to America helping Ukraine fight off Putin - a Jew-hater who, among other things, is funding Iran's terrorism.

Hell, even if some pro-Israel hawks here don't give a crap about Ukraine itself, I'd think they'd want to distract Putin to keep him from getting even more involved in attempts to wipe out Israel. He obviously would prefer to eliminate the United States, but he'd settle for Israel.

Congress needs to stop playing around and should pass a package that includes military aid to Israel and Ukraine. Obviously, that aid has nothing to with trying to keep the IRS from going after rich tax cheats, so stop trying to link the two. It's so ridiculous you'd think it was Tommy Tuberville's idea.

[MuggsyB]

Because the Human Rights Council is a joke, as is a lot of the work the UN does.

That's a problem that must be addressed. 

[The Sultan]

That's a problem that must be addressed. 

I have a twelve and a half point plan to do just that.

[MuggsyB]

I have a twelve and a half point plan to do just that.

I can add it to part 4. 

[Uncle Rico]

I'm still having trouble understanding how some of the most pro-Israel folks here (of which I am one BTW) could possibly object to America helping Ukraine fight off Putin - a Jew-hater who, among other things, is funding Iran's terrorism.

Hell, even if some pro-Israel hawks here don't give a crap about Ukraine itself, I'd think they'd want to distract Putin to keep him from getting even more involved in attempts to wipe out Israel. He obviously would prefer to eliminate the United States, but he'd settle for Israel.

Congress needs to stop playing around and should pass a package that includes military aid to Israel and Ukraine. Obviously, that aid has nothing to with trying to keep the IRS from going after rich tax cheats, so stop trying to link the two. It's so ridiculous you'd think it was Tommy Tuberville's idea.

As far as I'm concerned, anyone on this board, in congress, in the senate or in the media not supporting funding to Ukraine and condemning attacks on Zelensky looking like a rat are anti-semites.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

You expected the letter to give date, times and physical evidence of assaults? Or are you accusing Ackman, or the kids he talked to of being liars?

It is up to Harvard to address this issues and they have not. To date they have kept quiet on all these matters.

His letter is asking them to address these issues.

I didn't say anything about the veracity of Ackmans claims. I was commenting on your description of his claims ""details the physical assaults and verbal abuse Jewish students are constantly under at Harvard."

You also claim that Harvard has done nothing to address things... when Ackmans own letter lists things that they have done to address it (but critcizes them as poorly communicated or not seeming genuine which may be true, IDK). You also have no way of knowing if Harvard has pursued disciplinary action against any students because again those records are protected by federal privacy laws and require due process that typically takes months to complete.

[MuggsyB]

I'm still having trouble understanding how some of the most pro-Israel folks here (of which I am one BTW) could possibly object to America helping Ukraine fight off Putin - a Jew-hater who, among other things, is funding Iran's terrorism.

Hell, even if some pro-Israel hawks here don't give a crap about Ukraine itself, I'd think they'd want to distract Putin to keep him from getting even more involved in attempts to wipe out Israel. He obviously would prefer to eliminate the United States, but he'd settle for Israel.

Congress needs to stop playing around and should pass a package that includes military aid to Israel and Ukraine. Obviously, that aid has nothing to with trying to keep the IRS from going after rich tax cheats, so stop trying to link the two. It's so ridiculous you'd think it was Tommy Tuberville's idea.

I agree that we should fully support Ukraine but as I stated very early in that war we shouldn't have soft rolled helping them, we could have trained their pilots much earlier as one example.  Certain dumbass Republicans undermining Ukraine is extremely foolish and will have disastrous consequences.  It's absolutely vital that BOTH Israel and Ukraine win imo.   And if people do not see this Axis of Evil that is infesting the entire world they better get their head out of their ass.

[Skatastrophy]

I agree that we should fully support Ukraine but as I stated very early in that war we shouldn't have soft rolled helping them, we could have trained their pilots much earlier as one example.  Certain dumbass Republicans undermining Ukraine is extremely foolish and will have disastrous consequences.  It's absolutely vital that BOTH Israel and Ukraine win imo.   And if people do not see this Axis of Evil that is infesting the entire world they better get their head out of their ass.

Agreed. It's all one connected war and needs to be funded as such.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

As far as I'm concerned, anyone on this board, in congress, in the senate or in the media not supporting funding to Ukraine and condemning attacks on Zelensky looking like a rat are anti-semites.

mushy, brown, stinky matter between their ears, hey

[Uncle Rico]

mushy, brown, stinky matter between their ears, hey

Yup

[Heisenberg]

Nope.  Wrong again.  I have been very consistent in my statements from the beginning.  Israel is not going to be able to wipe out Hamas.  I have used the phrases "severely weaken" or "maim."  But they aren't going to be able to completely eliminate them. 

And Israel is definitely going to be occupying Gaza again. Likely for some time. I don't see a workable alternative right now.

Just checking ... you do realize these are opinions and not facts? So, if someone disagrees with these opinions that are not "wrong on the facts."

This disctiction is unclear with you.

[The Sultan]

Just checking ... you do realize these are opinions and not facts? So, if someone disagrees with these opinions that are not "wrong on the facts."

This disctiction is unclear with you.

You realize that I was responding to a post where you quoted me twice, stating my opinion was inconsistent right?  That's what I was responding to. You are wrong that I have changed my position.

You can't even keep your own posts straight.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Something to consider when consuming news on the topic.

https://x.com/arifcrafiq/status/1721258414448222677?s=46&t=G2FhP_F2kWewaBOpvRv5lg

[Pakuni]

Apparently Netanyahu has mushy, brown, stinky matter between their ears, hey?
And no fan of the five-point plan, either.

The Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has disciplined a junior member of his cabinet who appeared to voice openness to the idea of Israel carrying out a nuclear strike on Gaza.
Netanyahu's office said in a statement that the minister concerned – heritage minister Amihai Eliyahu from a far-right party in the coalition government – had been suspended from cabinet meetings "until further notice".
Netanyahu's office said: "Eliyahu's statements are not based in reality. Israel and the IDF (military) are operating in accordance with the highest standards of international law to avoid harming innocents. We will continue to do so until our victory."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/05/netanyahu-reprimands-israeli-minister-over-gaza-nuclear-option-comment

[Heisenberg]

You realize that I was responding to a post where you quoted me twice, stating my opinion was inconsistent right?  That's what I was responding to. You are wrong that I have changed my position.

You can't even keep your own posts straight.

Yes and you dodged the real question and "moved the goalpost" to answer something else.

So I assumed you think these statements are consistent.

It's was a threat to the existence of Israel. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be a response.

No this isn't a "war for the existance of a race of people." That's hyperbolic nonsense.

[The Sultan]

Yes and you dodged the real question and "moved the goalpost" to answer something else.

So I assumed you think these statements are consistent.

My apologies. I meant to say "It was not a threat..."  Which was why I said "That doesn't mean there shouldn't be a response."

[Lennys Tap]

Because the Human Rights Council is a joke, as is a lot of the work the UN does.

Sad but true.

[Lennys Tap]

I'm still having trouble understanding how some of the most pro-Israel folks here (of which I am one BTW) could possibly object to America helping Ukraine fight off Putin - a Jew-hater who, among other things, is funding Iran's terrorism.

Hell, even if some pro-Israel hawks here don't give a crap about Ukraine itself, I'd think they'd want to distract Putin to keep him from getting even more involved in attempts to wipe out Israel. He obviously would prefer to eliminate the United States, but he'd settle for Israel.

Congress needs to stop playing around and should pass a package that includes military aid to Israel and Ukraine. Obviously, that aid has nothing to with trying to keep the IRS from going after rich tax cheats, so stop trying to link the two. It's so ridiculous you'd think it was Tommy Tuberville's idea.

Mike - I thought you referred to yourself as a pacifist. Is that not true?

[Lennys Tap]

As far as I'm concerned, anyone on this board, in congress, in the senate or in the media not supporting funding to Ukraine and condemning attacks on Zelensky looking like a rat are anti-semites.

I support funding for both Ukraine and Israel. However, honesty compels me to say that Zelensky does indeed look like a rat.

[MuggsyB]

I support funding for both Ukraine and Israel. However, honesty compels me to say that Zelensky does indeed look like a rat.

Meaning what exactly Lenny?   

[MU82]

Mike - I thought you referred to yourself as a pacifist. Is that not true?

Here is what I said about 3 weeks ago:

I am a pacifist, and I'm hardly an apologist for Israel. But Israel's gotta do what Israel's gotta do to protect its own people. Innocents will die, they always do in war. But it's hard for me to blame Israel for saying, "Better their innocents than our innocents."

I actually just looked up a couple definitions for pacifist ... and it looks like I misspoke.

Most common is "a person who believes that war is unjustifiable." Obviously, I believe Israel is justified in going after Hamas, just as I believe the United States was justified in going after Japan, even if it meant that innocent people had to die. I guess that makes me not a pacifist; if so, I can live with that.

What a time in the world's history. The whole thing is horrific and sad and brutal and maddening.

[Lennys Tap]

Meaning what exactly Lenny?

Light hearted reply to Rico's joke.