Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[Jay Bee]

You were banned for a week for being a douche canoe.  Keep it up.

^^^ sexist

[Pakuni]

I made ONE gd post in this thread of 1500+ , and that was 12 days ago and didn't even deal with a substantive issue. I have purposely stayed out of the debate.

Why the f*ck am I getting ripped.

Pretty sure he means 4ever.

[MU82]

I made ONE gd post in this thread of 1500+ , and that was 12 days ago and didn't even deal with a substantive issue. I have purposely stayed out of the debate.

Why the f*ck am I getting ripped.

Not you, fine sir.

Ewe dew knot post lyke Doc Dribble duz, oona?

Management regrets any confusion.

[Pakuni]

Blame the victim ... nice look,

He intentionally drove into a crowd, threatened people with a knife and possibly fired a gunshot (per some witness reports).
The idea that you consider that person the victim is on brand.

Video of the guy with a knife:
https://twitter.com/ByGeorgiaFort/status/1716253416291246486?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1716253416291246486%7Ctwgr%5E3c35b362f4fd43d8cbea4b0d1988115eee65ac44%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Funicornriot.ninja%2F2023%2Fpro-palestine-protest-attacked-in-minneapolis%2F

[TSmith34, Inc.]

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/gaza-death-toll-surpasses-5000-amid-un-eu-calls-ceasefire-us-increases-deterrence

Tyler Durden? Wasn't he a movie character?

I had to put Heisy and his 10,000 word essays on ignore, but he is still quoting zerohedge? LOL.

[JWags85]

Anti-Semitism in America was horrific even before this started, as evidenced from the Charlottesville rally and its aftermath. Now it's been stirred up to a whole 'nother level -- often due to hatred and/or religious zealotry, but sometimes due to misinformation.

I have little doubt that you will proudly get to say, "I told you so" -- as if you've made some kind of earth-shaking prediction. Congrats.

There will be plenty of attacks against those from Muslim countries, too, as the Islamophobia that has been increasing in the U.S. for decades gets ratcheted up to new heights.

The millions of Americans who hate both Jews and Muslims can really party now!

This isn't to "bothsiderism" the conversation, but this is totally a garbage byproduct of the "shoot first from the hip, think later" broad brushing that everyone seems to want to do, especially through the cloak of social media.  Being racially insensitive (even if accidentally) makes someone a RACIST.  Supporting a progressive viewpoint (even if they are very much moderate overall) makes someone WOKE.  Any opposition or counter view point to anything makes someone "blank-phobic" or a socialist/communist.

So someone might not be naturally be Islamphobic but they see the radical voices in a dumb protest or stupid statement and broad brush everyone supporting Palestine or a Muslim who opposes the Israeli government as a Hamas-supporting/Jihad loving extremist, especially in the absence of a "normal" everyday Muslim they may know or be friends with, so now they slide in that direction.

Similarly, people lump all Jews in with Israel so if they don't know any Jewish people or affiliated voices, they cluster all Jewish/pro-Israel voices with Likud/Zionist extremism they see online and develop an anti-Semitic bias or viewpoint, aka find it easier to buy into "Jews run the world/media/finance" conspiracy BS.

I think back to when I didn't personally have an gay/lesbian friends in my 20s and found it much easier to be ambivalent about their issues/rights.  Not so much against it but it was a much more sterile static perspective.  Then one of my good friends came out and I started a job and became very close with another gay coworker and suddenly it became a much more human and nuanced discussion.  And this is 15 years ago where I didn't have quite the pervasive and heavy influence of social media in solitary mental moments to color perspectives.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

So, I'll answer your subsequent response now. I am not stooping to your demand for "pictures," and I do not give a f**k what you think of me.

You reply to every single post with a wall of rambling text. So if you don't care what we think of you, that's an odd way to show it.

But I very much hope you do not care what I think of you, because I am not important in this humanitarian crisis.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Actually you're not stooping to anything.  You're making a bunch of strong claims and using an anonymous faction of Jewish Scoopers to buttress your stance.

Before I get lumped with the other "Western progressives" since I'm sure you missed it on your hiatus...I'm one of the stronger, yet measured, "pro-Israel" voices in this thread.  I'm married to a Jewish woman who has been sick with worry and anguish over Israel since 10/7 to the point that I almost had to take her phone so she didn't doom scroll herself to grief insanity.  She's still been cautious, even a bit paranoid, about being out and about since then.

My BIL is an actual Israeli from Tel Aviv.  He and my SIL are Modern Orthodox with 3 kids in a Jewish Day School.  Half his extended family including a sibling and all of his mother's siblings are still in Israel.  Their neighbors and best friends in NJ were stranded for 24 hours at a hotel in Tel Aviv from 10/7 to 10/8.  They've vacillated between instinctive anger and desire for revenge, and pragmatic desires to end cycles of violence and fear for their loved ones in Israel.

But I can tell you for absolute certainty, and I know this from various conversations directly about this over the last 2 weeks, they have no interest and are very unhappy about people co-opting their feelings or fear or anger to push an agenda.  Or non-Jewish voices (or ones not historically in pro-Jewish advocacy positions/stances) to speak for them.  They also know ACUTELY what anti-Semitism looks like, how it manifests in statements or implications, and don't throw the label around foolishly, because all it does is water down the malice of true anti-Semitism.  I can remember a dinner a few years ago, my SIL went on a tangent and called someone anti-Semitic and my BIL, who had been mostly stoic and quiet (like an Israeli man  ), immediately checked her and called her out and said she shouldn't make blanket statements cause "Jews in this climate don't need some Boy Who Cried Wolf stigma BS about that label"

Thank you for sharing. That perspective really is very valuable and I really appreciate reading it to help ground my thinking.

I am very cynical in my thinking, but it does feel like using sweeping labels of prejudice and racism for criticismis almost somewhat blatant in its attempts to dilute its meaning. This is a problem across our society, but this topic at large is a pretty poignant example of it.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Heisy: "Jew-hater!"

Doc Dribble: "Ur nummburr 11, oona?"

Muggs: "It's unacceptable that you don't want to vaporize everybody."

[MU82]

This isn't to "bothsiderism" the conversation, but this is totally a garbage byproduct of the "shoot first from the hip, think later" broad brushing that everyone seems to want to do, especially through the cloak of social media.  Being racially insensitive (even if accidentally) makes someone a RACIST.  Supporting a progressive viewpoint (even if they are very much moderate overall) makes someone WOKE.  Any opposition or counter view point to anything makes someone "blank-phobic" or a socialist/communist.

So someone might not be naturally be Islamphobic but they see the radical voices in a dumb protest or stupid statement and broad brush everyone supporting Palestine or a Muslim who opposes the Israeli government as a Hamas-supporting/Jihad loving extremist, especially in the absence of a "normal" everyday Muslim they may know or be friends with, so now they slide in that direction.

Similarly, people lump all Jews in with Israel so if they don't know any Jewish people or affiliated voices, they cluster all Jewish/pro-Israel voices with Likud/Zionist extremism they see online and develop an anti-Semitic bias or viewpoint, aka find it easier to buy into "Jews run the world/media/finance" conspiracy BS.

I think back to when I didn't personally have an gay/lesbian friends in my 20s and found it much easier to be ambivalent about their issues/rights.  Not so much against it but it was a much more sterile static perspective.  Then one of my good friends came out and I started a job and became very close with another gay coworker and suddenly it became a much more human and nuanced discussion.  And this is 15 years ago where I didn't have quite the pervasive and heavy influence of social media in solitary mental moments to color perspectives.

Another superb post, Wags.

[Heisenberg]

Everything said until now was the pregame.  When the ground war starts ...

45 minutes ago

Intelligence shows Iranian-backed militias are ready to ramp up their attacks against US forces in the Middle East
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/23/politics/iranian-militias-israel-hamas/index.html

The US has intelligence that Iranian-backed militia groups are planning to ramp up attacks against US forces in the Middle East, as Iran seeks to capitalize on the backlash in the region to US support for Israel, according to multiple US officials.

The militia groups have already launched multiple drone attacks on US forces in Iraq and Syria.

But the US now has specific intelligence that those same groups could escalate even further as the war between Israel and Hamas continues.

There are "red lights flashing everywhere," a US official in the region told CNN.

Officials said that at this point, Iran appears to be encouraging the groups rather than explicitly directing them. One official said Iran is providing guidance to the militia groups that they will not be punished – by not getting resupplied with weaponry, for example – if they continue to attack US or Israeli targets.

[The Sultan]

I may have missed it, but Heisey didn't seem all that concerned about Russia's invasion of Ukraine. 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Everything said until now was the pregame.  When the ground war starts ...

45 minutes ago

Intelligence shows Iranian-backed militias are ready to ramp up their attacks against US forces in the Middle East
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/23/politics/iranian-militias-israel-hamas/index.html

The US has intelligence that Iranian-backed militia groups are planning to ramp up attacks against US forces in the Middle East, as Iran seeks to capitalize on the backlash in the region to US support for Israel, according to multiple US officials.

The militia groups have already launched multiple drone attacks on US forces in Iraq and Syria.

But the US now has specific intelligence that those same groups could escalate even further as the war between Israel and Hamas continues.

There are "red lights flashing everywhere," a US official in the region told CNN.

Officials said that at this point, Iran appears to be encouraging the groups rather than explicitly directing them. One official said Iran is providing guidance to the militia groups that they will not be punished – by not getting resupplied with weaponry, for example – if they continue to attack US or Israeli targets.

Reminded me of this clip for some reason

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6WQfTHg1o4

[Heisenberg]

Israel tells Gazans to move south or risk being seen as 'terrorist' partner
https://archive.ph/7OrMX

GAZA, Oct 22 (Reuters) - Palestinians said they had received renewed warnings from Israel's military to move from north Gaza to the south of the strip, with the added warning that they could be identified as sympathisers with a "terrorist organisation" if they stayed put.

The message was delivered in leaflets marked with the Israel Defense Forces name and logo from Saturday and sent to people via mobile phone audio messages across the Gaza Strip, a narrow territory that is just 45 km (28 miles) long.

"Urgent warning, to residents of Gaza. Your presence north of Wadi Gaza puts your life in danger. Whoever chooses not to leave north Gaza to the south of Wadi Gaza might be identified as an accomplice in a terrorist organisation," the leaflet said.

Israel has pounded Gaza with airstrikes since the Palestinian militant group Hamas launched a deadly attack on Israeli soil on Oct. 7. Israel has massed troops and armour on the border with Gaza ahead of an expected land incursion.

[Jockey]

I may have missed it, but Heisey didn't seem all that concerned about Russia's invasion of Ukraine. 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

He just assumed everyone was on Putin's side.

[Uncle Rico]

He just assumed everyone was on Putin's side.

Given his staunch stance against the anti-semites here, I'm surprised he didn't start any threads condemning Tucker Carlson's anti-semitism

https://www.bnaibrith.org/jewish-groups-condemn-tucker-carlsons-description-of-ukrainian-president-zelensky/

[MU82]

Given his staunch stance against the anti-semites here, I'm surprised he didn't start any threads condemning Tucker Carlson's anti-semitism

https://www.bnaibrith.org/jewish-groups-condemn-tucker-carlsons-description-of-ukrainian-president-zelensky/

Another hero to those who claim they never have and never will support anti-Semitism.

[Heisenberg]

Given his staunch stance against the anti-semites here, I'm surprised he didn't start any threads condemning Tucker Carlson's anti-semitism

https://www.bnaibrith.org/jewish-groups-condemn-tucker-carlsons-description-of-ukrainian-president-zelensky/

The moderator that banned me called me a "douche canoe" already. I'll check with Rocky to see if these opinions are allowed.

Because only moderators and progressive-oriented posters can use mean and aggressive language.

You were banned for a week for being a douche canoe.  Keep it up.

I get it ... the abusive language that is constantly leveled at me is justified .... none of them are "douche canoes."

Heisy: "Jew-hater!"

Doc Dribble: "Ur nummburr 11, oona?"

Muggs: "It's unacceptable that you don't want to vaporize everybody."

lol accurate

[21Jumpstreet]

The moderator that banned me called me a "douche canoe" already. I'll check with Rocky to see if these opinions are allowed.

Because only moderators and progressive-oriented posters can use mean and aggressive language.

I get it ... the abusive language that is constantly leveled at me is justified .... none of them are "douche canoes."

The abusive, aggressive language leveled at you and others is most certainly not justified. It is mean and unnecessary.

[Uncle Rico]

Didn't see any snow in the forecast

[MU82]

The moderator that banned me called me a "douche canoe" already. I'll check with Rocky to see if these opinions are allowed.

Because only moderators and progressive-oriented posters can use mean and aggressive language.

I get it ... the abusive language that is constantly leveled at me is justified .... none of them are "douche canoes."

Look, man, you used your forum to scream "Jew-hater!" at numerous Scoopers. I know you feel those very personal, serious attacks were justified, but they weren't. You're also the first to call out name-calling, unless you want to do it. Then I guess it's OK.

So clean up your own hate issues before accusing others ... and toughen up, kitten.

[Heisenberg]

Look, man, you used your forum to scream "Jew-hater!" at numerous Scoopers. I know you feel those very personal, serious attacks were justified, but they weren't. You're also the first to call out name-calling, unless you want to do it. Then I guess it's OK.

So clean up your own hate issues before accusing others ... and toughen up, kitten.

So, my opinion of what abusive language to call out disagrees with your opinion of what abusive language needs to be called out.

Therefore, my job is to conform to your definition of abusive language.

Oh, and nice touch ending with more abusive language.

But wait, you don't define this as abusive, and since your definition is all that matters, it is not abusive.

Got it

and toughen up, kitten.

[Uncle Rico]

So, my opinion of what abusive language to call out disagrees with your opinion of what abusive language needs to be called out.

Therefore, my job is to conform to your definition of abusive language.

Oh, and nice touch ending with more abusive language.

But wait, you don't define this as abusive, and since your definition is all that matters, it is not abusive.

Got it

Tuckers anti-semitism needs to be called out.  Trotting out those tropes to his vast audience only emboldens the anti-semites in his viewing audience.  Between him and Elon Musk playing with these tropes, it's easy to see why anti-semitism is on the rise

[forgetful]

This isn't to "bothsiderism" the conversation, but this is totally a garbage byproduct of the "shoot first from the hip, think later" broad brushing that everyone seems to want to do, especially through the cloak of social media.  Being racially insensitive (even if accidentally) makes someone a RACIST.  Supporting a progressive viewpoint (even if they are very much moderate overall) makes someone WOKE.  Any opposition or counter view point to anything makes someone "blank-phobic" or a socialist/communist.

So someone might not be naturally be Islamphobic but they see the radical voices in a dumb protest or stupid statement and broad brush everyone supporting Palestine or a Muslim who opposes the Israeli government as a Hamas-supporting/Jihad loving extremist, especially in the absence of a "normal" everyday Muslim they may know or be friends with, so now they slide in that direction.

Similarly, people lump all Jews in with Israel so if they don't know any Jewish people or affiliated voices, they cluster all Jewish/pro-Israel voices with Likud/Zionist extremism they see online and develop an anti-Semitic bias or viewpoint, aka find it easier to buy into "Jews run the world/media/finance" conspiracy BS.

I think back to when I didn't personally have an gay/lesbian friends in my 20s and found it much easier to be ambivalent about their issues/rights.  Not so much against it but it was a much more sterile static perspective.  Then one of my good friends came out and I started a job and became very close with another gay coworker and suddenly it became a much more human and nuanced discussion.  And this is 15 years ago where I didn't have quite the pervasive and heavy influence of social media in solitary mental moments to color perspectives.

Great post. It also pairs very well with the sentiments in your previously well appreciated post, e.g. the rush to label anyone anti-x if they raise concerns against an element of group x. As an example some on here would rush to label someone an anti-semite, for being concerned about language coming from the extremists within the Likud party and their allies.

That's a political gripe, not a bias gripe, and one shared by many people within Israel.

But there is a fine line in differentiating whether a commentator or individual recognizes the different political viewpoints, and stances on this complicated issue throughout Israel, or whether they lump the entire population into believing the same thing as the extremists, or clearly recognize the different viewpoints within the group.

The same thing happens to Muslims around the world, and the Palestinians. Where many assume they automatically align with the extremists, when in reality...they are the extremist positions and the majority are just trying to survive.

Also, I appreciate your attempt at trying to keep this focused on a positive discussion of a complex issue.

[MU82]

Tuckers anti-semitism needs to be called out.  Trotting out those tropes to his vast audience only emboldens the anti-semites in his viewing audience.  Between him and Elon Musk playing with these tropes, it's easy to see why anti-semitism is on the rise

Elon is definitely one of Kitten's heroes, and he sure seemed to be pimping Tucker, too. Their anti-Semitism no matta - and you should know it, you effen Jew-hater!

The shame is that, in between all of his hate, vengeful vitriol, misinformation and refusal to consider how complex this issue is, Heisy does actually makes some good points. It's hard to find them, though, because his Joseph McCarthy act gets in the way.