Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

All the criticisms about a two-state solution, settlements in the West Bank, it's complicated, good (or bad) people on both sides have at their heart an assumption that these two sides can find common ground and live together.

We have about 2,000 years of history showing they cannot.

So, they either keep killing each other slowly over time. Or we let them at it and let one side prevail.

I have defined this problem as both sides viewing their existence as at stake. So, both sides feel they cannot lose this fight and will do whatever it takes.

They are right. It is a fight about existence. This is why all the nuisance is misplaced. There is no way they can co-exist.

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To be clear. This is among a specific type of Arab called a Palestinian. A group of people have never lived in Palestine, as Palestine has never existed as a separate country.

The larger Arab community, which includes Palestinians, is less and less having a problem with Israel. 20% of Israelis are Arab (versus 0% of Palestine is Jewish). Some countries, via the Abraham Accords, have normalized relations with Israel (UAE and Qatar). The Saudis were close (it has been heavily speculated that blowing up this deal motivated the attack on October 7).

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So you have two options: kill each other in bunches for the rest of time. Or settle this once and for all and have a lasting peace. We settled it once and for all with Japan in August 1945. It was horrible. But now we have a lasting peace and a close ally in Japan.

This gets rejected because it requires the world to make a judgment of choosing one side or the other. But this is the way it works., When two incompatible views of the world exist, one has to prevail.

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We did not genocide Japan out of existence
We did not genocide Germany out of existence
We did not genocide the confederacy out of existence.

Israel will not genocide the Palestinians out of existence. They will go until the Palestinians give up the fight and accept peace and co-existence.

Can you say the same about the Palestinians? If they had the means, where would the Palestinians stop against the Jews in Isreal?

139/193 countries in the UN recognize Palestine, a place you are insisting has never existed. Weird. Many global leaders are qualifying the actions of the Israeli government as genocidal, but again in your mind you can't genocide those who don't exist (back to the whole subhuman thing). But whatever you say buddy. To you it's all about whether the right people are dying, and accusing those who would prefer either side not die of antisemitism, thereby discounting the word and accusation itself of something very real and problematic in our modern world.

So bravo on that. If bad faith arguments were currency you could have bought out Wojo's contract yourself.

[Heisenberg]

October 21, 2023
Egypt's Gaza Summit Highlights Calls for Two-State Solution
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-10-21/egypt-s-gaza-summit-starts-with-arab-call-for-two-state-solution

Arab leaders dubbed Israel's retaliatory strikes on Gaza "collective punishment" as they and some European officials stressed that a stable and secure outcome to the Israel-Palestinian conflict must be built on a two-state solution

It's unclear if anything new will emerge from the meeting to address what many in the region, and in Europe, see as the root cause of the continued violence – the lack of progress on securing an equitable two-state solution for Israel and Palestine.


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This means they have no two-state solution and are not interested in one.

Saying the words makes Western Progressives happy, so they happily repeat these empty gestures.

Just say two-state solution, but never propose one.

No one in the Arab world really cares about the Palestinians. If they did, one of the 55 Arab and Islamic countries would accept refugees. Exactly zero are taking them.

This just in: the big Arab summit saying a two-state solution was absolutely necessary ended a few hours ago ... without a proposal for a two-state solution.

Why? Because they don't want one! They want a one-state solution ... "from the river to the sea ..."

Meanwhile, the "moderate" Palestinian Authority in the West Bank just issued this a few days ago for prayers at temples this weekend:

October 21, 2023
Palestinian Authority issues document containing Islamic verse calling to "murder Jews", tells mosque clerics to incite violence
https://www.opindia.com/2023/10/palestinian-authority-issues-document-containing-islamic-verse-calling-to-murder-jews/
The PA document asserts that Palestine cannot raise the white flag until Israel is defeated and a Palestinian state is established. It also talks about making Jerusalem the capital of the Palestinian state after "defeating" Israel.

A one-page document dated 18 October 2023 was issued by the Palestinian Authority's Ministry of Endowments and Religious Affairs. The document issued to imams of mosques lays down directives for Friday (Jummah) sermons. This document contains a verse that calls for the murder of all Jews by Muslims.

The document termed the attack on Gaza's Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital that allegedly killed over 500 people as a "crime of the era" and blamed Israel for the attack despite the fact that it has been established that it was a failed Hamas rocket that hit the hospital.

The PA document asserts that Palestine cannot raise the white flag until Israel is defeated and a Palestinian state is established. It also mentions making Jerusalem the capital of the Palestinian state after "defeating" Israel.

The document inciting people to wage war against the Jews mentions Islamic verses, one of them from Sahih Al Bukhari (a collection of Hadith and book of Sunnah) which reads: "The hour will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and the Muslims kill them, until the Jew hides behind the stones and trees and the stones or trees say, 'O Muslim, O servant of Allah, this is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.'"

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Palestinians, or all their leaders, tell you to your face what they want— the end of Isreal and the death of all the Jews.

Why do they speak like this? Why do they celebrate the slaughter of 1,500 Israelis?

They know that the West is full of conceited progressives (like this board). When they read documents like the one above or see the slaughter the Palestinians committed. It "does not compute" in their brain.

The Palestinians know Western progressives will conclude that "this must be wrong or taken out of context" or use the code words of ignorance (it is "complicated" or "nuanced") or disassemble the situation (it is Hamas, not Palsteinsians because they need them to be different).

Why? This document or the attack is not how progressives act/believe. Western progressives have the conceit that they genuinely think everyone worldwide, from every/any culture, agrees with them because why wouldn't everyone hold a Western progressive view?

I'll repeat: this is a struggle for the existence of a race of people ... the Jews. They have been here many times before and will do whatever it takes to survive. And there will not be peace until one side or the other prevails.

It will get tough to look at, maybe starting in the next 24 to 48 hours (according to CNN).

Which side are you on?

[Heisenberg]

139/193 countries in the UN recognize Palestine, a place you are insisting has never existed. Weird. Many global leaders are qualifying the actions of the Israeli government as genocidal, but again in your mind you can't genocide those who don't exist (back to the whole subhuman thing). But whatever you say buddy. To you it's all about whether the right people are dying, and accusing those who would prefer either side not die of antisemitism, thereby discounting the word and accusation itself of something very real and problematic in our modern world.

So bravo on that. If bad faith arguments were currency you could have bought out Wojo's contract yourself.

Israel is a member state of the UN and has been since 1949. So, the mighty UN says two entities are the legitimate government of the same place.

Of those 139 countries that recognize Palestine are Ecuador, Egypt, India, Iceland, Romania, Poland, Burundi, Thailand, Tanzania, Iraq, and Russia.

And ... Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Mexico, the United Kingdom, and the United States do not.

So PLM ... what is your solution to this dilemma?

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And please provide a historical map showing Palestine as a separate country on the land that is Israel is now. I'll save you the trouble. One never existed.

The area was part of Lebanon, Jordan, and Egypt in 1947. In 1967, the West Bank was part of Jordan, and Gaza was part of Egypt when Israel took it in the 1967 war.

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From the history channel

https://www.history.com/topics/middle-east/palestine

What Is Palestine?
The word Palestine derives from the Greek word, Philistia, which dates to Ancient Greek writers' descriptions of the region in the 12th century B.C. Since the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I to 1918, Palestine typically referred to the geographic region located between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. Arab people who call this territory home have been known as Palestinians since the early 20th century. Much of this land is now considered present-day Israel.

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Invented less than 100 years ago!

[4everwarriors]

To be clear, he's ok with what comes next, no matter how hard it may be to look at


October 21, 2023
'I am a Zionist': How Joe Biden's lifelong bond with Israel shapes war policy
https://news.yahoo.com/am-zionist-joe-bidens-lifelong-141401442.html

When Joe Biden met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his war cabinet during his visit to Israel, the U.S. president assured them: "I don't believe you have to be a Jew to be a Zionist, and I am a Zionist."

Biden, who is of Irish Catholic descent, has used similar words in the past to profess his affinity for Israel. But the moment, which has not been previously reported, illustrates how Biden's decades as one of the leading "Friends of Israel" in American politics seem to be guiding him during a defining crisis of his presidency.

BOTUS attempting to be JFK..."Ich bin ein Berliner." 

#God save da Queen, aina?

[Uncle Rico]

BOTUS attempting to be JFK..."Ich bin ein Berliner." 

#God save da Queen, aina?

Must really burn you he has unwavering support for Israel and their response.  You can still score culture war points, however.  Not all is lost for you

[The Sultan]

Israel is a member state of the UN and has been since 1949. So, the mighty UN says two entities are the legitimate government of the same place.

Of those 139 countries that recognize Palestine are Ecuador, Egypt, India, Iceland, Romania, Poland, Burundi, Thailand, Tanzania, Iraq, and Russia.

And ... Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Mexico, the United Kingdom, and the United States do not.

So PLM ... what is your solution to this dilemma?

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And please provide a historical map showing Palestine as a separate country on the land that is Israel is now. I'll save you the trouble. One never existed.

The area was part of Lebanon, Jordan, and Egypt in 1947. In 1967, the West Bank was part of Jordan, and Gaza was part of Egypt when Israel took it in the 1967 war.

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From the history channel

https://www.history.com/topics/middle-east/palestine

What Is Palestine?
The word Palestine derives from the Greek word, Philistia, which dates to Ancient Greek writers' descriptions of the region in the 12th century B.C. Since the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I to 1918, Palestine typically referred to the geographic region located between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. Arab people who call this territory home have been known as Palestinians since the early 20th century. Much of this land is now considered present-day Israel.

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Invented less than 100 years ago!

Yet you claimed that they haven't gotten along for 2,000 years.  Weird.

Anyway, ALL of the countries in that part of the world were "invented" about 100 years ago in the wake of the Ottoman Empire's collapse after WW1.  Mostly by western powers drawing lines on a map. But that doesn't mean that there weren't actually people living there who were largely Islamic Arabs.

Not to mention that Israel itself is more of an invented country than any other! It came together mostly because the western powers bought into the idea that it would be nice to give Jews their homeland back, despite the fact that 99% of them hadn't lived there for centuries.

EDIT: And none of this matters! Israel is widely recognized as a state, as is Palestine. Israel has negotiated agreements with groups that they agree represent the Palestinian people. (Agreements they have violated BTW.)

So your desire to completely de-legitimize Palestine is really hollow and not very accurate.

[MU82]

BOTUS attempting to be JFK..."Ich bin ein Berliner." 

#God save da Queen, aina?

Thank goodness we have a president with empathy, one who is staunchly on Israel's side while appreciating the worldwide implications of war, one who doesn't make this all about himself, one who values American Jews as well as Israeli Jews, one who doesn't call Jew-hating white nationalists "very fine people," one who doesn't hold Ms. Jewish Space Laser in high regard, one who doesn't tell Jew-haters to "stand by" and wait for his orders, one who doesn't surround himself with Jew-haters, one who wants the best outcomes for as many people as possible, and one who doesn't repeatedly threaten to use nuclear weapons as if they're his personal toys.

My brother and SIL, who did not care for Obama and who did appreciate a couple of the pro-Israel moves that his successor made, mostly like Biden's response to this situation. But hey, they're not nearly as close to what's going on in Israel as a dentist from Mequon is.

[Hards Alumni]

From a friend of a friend. Names removed for their privacy. 

Hello my friends. This is my first FB post in nearly 7 years. With that said, it is also the only social media platform I have, so I hope people still use FB.

I would like to share with you an experience I had last night. XXXXXXXXXXXX and I went to the Dave Chappelle-Standup Comedy show at TD Garden with three other couples. What started out as a funny and joyful evening for the 8 of us ending with disgust and fear.

Towards the end of his act, Chappelle mentioned the war in Israel and how he as a Muslim denounces Israel for its treatment of the people in Gaza and started to add in lots of false and unsubstantiated claims. A gentleman towards the front yelled out "You should shut the F up". Chappelle lost it on the man yelling, "You do not tell me to shut the F up at MY show". Chappelle then started on a tirade of his beliefs leaving comedy behind and focusing purely on the politics.

While that was awful in itself, what made my heart sink and started to invoke fear was when the crowd of nearly 20,000 people started yelling out "Go Palestine. Go Hamas." and other related hatful jargon. The audience was cheering Chappelle on during his tirade. I was sick. We were sick. I turned to my friends and wife and said I think it is time to go. We walked out and met up with many other Jews leaving the show. Never in my life have I felt so unsafe and so fearful of what I was witnessing. The words alone were horrific, but we were vulnerable in a public forum. How could we know what would happen? Could violence against the Jewish members in the audience break out?

Here in Boston, how was there so much hate for Jews. How could a comedy show provide such a mechanism for people to verbally shout our their hatred for Jews? The unfortunate icing on the cake was that all cell phones and communication devices had to be locked up so there is no video or audio evidence. With that, I am hoping social media can spread this word.

If you have made it this far and know how to use social media better than me, please share and see if we can get this to the Boston Globe. Thank you! Boston Globe Opinion.

Dave Chappelle has also fallen pretty far in my eyes for other reasons as well.

[Hards Alumni]

This just in: the big Arab summit saying a two-state solution was absolutely necessary ended a few hours ago ... without a proposal for a two-state solution.

Why? Because they don't want one! They want a one-state solution ... "from the river to the sea ..."

Meanwhile, the "moderate" Palestinian Authority in the West Bank just issued this a few days ago for prayers at temples this weekend:

October 21, 2023
Palestinian Authority issues document containing Islamic verse calling to "murder Jews", tells mosque clerics to incite violence
https://www.opindia.com/2023/10/palestinian-authority-issues-document-containing-islamic-verse-calling-to-murder-jews/
The PA document asserts that Palestine cannot raise the white flag until Israel is defeated and a Palestinian state is established. It also talks about making Jerusalem the capital of the Palestinian state after "defeating" Israel.

A one-page document dated 18 October 2023 was issued by the Palestinian Authority's Ministry of Endowments and Religious Affairs. The document issued to imams of mosques lays down directives for Friday (Jummah) sermons. This document contains a verse that calls for the murder of all Jews by Muslims.

The document termed the attack on Gaza's Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital that allegedly killed over 500 people as a "crime of the era" and blamed Israel for the attack despite the fact that it has been established that it was a failed Hamas rocket that hit the hospital.

The PA document asserts that Palestine cannot raise the white flag until Israel is defeated and a Palestinian state is established. It also mentions making Jerusalem the capital of the Palestinian state after "defeating" Israel.

The document inciting people to wage war against the Jews mentions Islamic verses, one of them from Sahih Al Bukhari (a collection of Hadith and book of Sunnah) which reads: "The hour will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and the Muslims kill them, until the Jew hides behind the stones and trees and the stones or trees say, 'O Muslim, O servant of Allah, this is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.'"

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Palestinians, or all their leaders, tell you to your face what they want— the end of Isreal and the death of all the Jews.

Why do they speak like this? Why do they celebrate the slaughter of 1,500 Israelis?

They know that the West is full of conceited progressives (like this board). When they read documents like the one above or see the slaughter the Palestinians committed. It "does not compute" in their brain.

The Palestinians know Western progressives will conclude that "this must be wrong or taken out of context" or use the code words of ignorance (it is "complicated" or "nuanced") or disassemble the situation (it is Hamas, not Palsteinsians because they need them to be different).

Why? This document or the attack is not how progressives act/believe. Western progressives have the conceit that they genuinely think everyone worldwide, from every/any culture, agrees with them because why wouldn't everyone hold a Western progressive view?

I'll repeat: this is a struggle for the existence of a race of people ... the Jews. They have been here many times before and will do whatever it takes to survive. And there will not be peace until one side or the other prevails.

It will get tough to look at, maybe starting in the next 24 to 48 hours (according to CNN).

Which side are you on?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpIndia

First two sentences.  Stop being such a rube.

"OpIndia is an Indian right-wing news website that frequently publishes misinformation.[4][5][21] Founded in December 2014,[11] the website has published fake news and Islamophobic commentary on many occasions.[28]"

[Jockey]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpIndia

First two sentences.  Stop being such a rube.

"OpIndia is an Indian right-wing news website that frequently publishes misinformation.[4][5][21] Founded in December 2014,[11] the website has published fake news and Islamophobic commentary on many occasions.[28]"

What is the definition of a rube? 

A guy who falls for anything if it supports his side? Or a guy who constantly argues with said guy?

[jesmu84]

Dave Chappelle has also fallen pretty far in my eyes for other reasons as well.

I assume the same folks pissed at Chapelle for speaking in support of Palestinians were celebrating Chapelle for making "alphabet people" jokes

[Heisenberg]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpIndia

First two sentences.  Stop being such a rube.

"OpIndia is an Indian right-wing news website that frequently publishes misinformation.[4][5][21] Founded in December 2014,[11] the website has published fake news and Islamophobic commentary on many occasions.[28]"

Are you claiming this is not true? (Hint: the anti-semantic Western press does not want to report this).

https://www2.cbn.com/news/world/palestinian-authority-issues-call-murder-jews-tells-islamic-leaders-incite-violence
CBN News has reviewed the document written in Arabic and the translation is accurate.


https://twitter.com/GadiTaub1/status/1715312782848000114

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I wrote this in the same post, and you gave everyone a real-time example of how it works. For this, I owe you a giant thank you.

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Palestinians, or all their leaders, tell you to your face what they want— the end of Isreal and the death of all the Jews.

Why do they speak like this? Why do they celebrate the slaughter of 1,500 Israelis?

They know that the West is full of conceited progressives (like this board). When they read documents like the one above or see the slaughter the Palestinians committed. It "does not compute" in their brain.

The Palestinians know Western progressives will conclude that "this must be wrong or taken out of context" or use the code words of ignorance (it is "complicated" or "nuanced") or disassemble the situation (it is Hamas, not Palsteinsians because they need them to be different).

Why? This document or the attack is not how progressives act/believe. Western progressives have the conceit that they genuinely think everyone worldwide, from every/any culture, agrees with them because why wouldn't everyone hold a Western progressive view?

[Uncle Rico]

I assume the same folks pissed at Chapelle for speaking in support of Palestinians were celebrating Chapelle for making "alphabet people" jokes

It's almost like Chapelle does this on purpose, aina?

[Heisenberg]

Thank goodness we have a president with empathy, one who is staunchly on Israel's side while appreciating the worldwide implications of war, one who doesn't make this all about himself, one who values American Jews as well as Israeli Jews, one who doesn't call Jew-hating white nationalists "very fine people," one who doesn't hold Ms. Jewish Space Laser in high regard, one who doesn't tell Jew-haters to "stand by" and wait for his orders, one who doesn't surround himself with Jew-haters, one who wants the best outcomes for as many people as possible, and one who doesn't repeatedly threaten to use nuclear weapons as if they're his personal toys.

My brother and SIL, who did not care for Obama and who did appreciate a couple of the pro-Israel moves that his successor made, mostly like Biden's response to this situation. But hey, they're not nearly as close to what's going on in Israel as a dentist from Mequon is.

Man, you are seriously unhinged lately. Are you re-reading your posts in this thread?

I get it. You're torn between your love for your brother and SIL in Isreal and your blind rage and hatred for the orange man and the republican party.

Take some time off and figure out who is the real evil here. Hint: he is not in a courtroom. He is firing over 7300 rockets at your family.

[Uncle Rico]

Man, you are seriously unhinged lately. Are you re-reading your posts in this thread?

I get it. You're torn between your love for your brother and SIL in Isreal and your blind rage and hatred for the orange man and the republican party.

Take some time off and figure out who is the real evil here. Hint: he is not in a courtroom. He is firing over 7300 rockets at your family.

Irony is dead

[Hards Alumni]

What is the definition of a rube? 

A guy who falls for anything if it supports his side? Or a guy who constantly argues with said guy?

You're right, I will stop arguing with you.

[MU82]

Man, you are seriously unhinged lately. Are you re-reading your posts in this thread?

I get it. You're torn between your love for your brother and SIL in Isreal and your blind rage and hatred for the orange man and the republican party.

Take some time off and figure out who is the real evil here. Hint: he is not in a courtroom. He is firing over 7300 rockets at your family.

Look in the mirror, pal. You have made at least a dozen truly unhinged posts in this thread, including your Joseph McCarthy schtick of saying that everyone who disagrees with you about anything is a "Jew hater." This from a snowflake who used to whine about "name-calling" constantly. You also happen to be easily swayed by misinformation, which is annoying.

I'm not "torn" by anything. What I am is amused by the Scoopers who claim others are anti-Semitic even as they blindly support the raging anti-Semites who are tearing America apart.

This thread calmed down considerably when the mods told you to take some time off for your very personal ad hominem attacks against multiple Scoopers.

[Heisenberg]

Yet you claimed that they haven't gotten along for 2,000 years.  Weird.

Anyway, ALL of the countries in that part of the world were "invented" about 100 years ago in the wake of the Ottoman Empire's collapse after WW1.  Mostly by western powers drawing lines on a map. But that doesn't mean that there weren't actually people living there who were largely Islamic Arabs.

Not to mention that Israel itself is more of an invented country than any other! It came together mostly because the western powers bought into the idea that it would be nice to give Jews their homeland back, despite the fact that 99% of them hadn't lived there for centuries.

EDIT: And none of this matters! Israel is widely recognized as a state, as is Palestine. Israel has negotiated agreements with groups that they agree represent the Palestinian people. (Agreements they have violated BTW.)

So your desire to completely de-legitimize Palestine is really hollow and not very accurate.

What is your point? That this is not a war for the existence of a race of people? That "everything will be just fine" if only Isreal would calm down?

And yes, I am de-legitimizing Palestinians. Until Palestinian leaders and/or protests in Arab countries come forcibly again on October 7, stop issuing documents to Inmans to call for the death of all Jews in Paryer services, and stop calling for the genocide of a race e of people ("from the river to the sea"), they do not deserve any legitimacy.

One more thing, "Leader of Muslins" (the definition of Sultan), if there was a handle called "The Grand Wizard of Semantics" and it was defending the Minneapolis Police in the summer of 2020, or the Christmas massacre in Waukesha, what would have been the reaction to it?

Why should the reaction to you,in this thread, with your positions, be any different?

Yesterday in NYC
Thousands of protesters demanding eradication of Israel clash with NYPD
https://nypost.com/2023/10/21/thousands-of-nyc-protesters-demand-eradication-of-israel/

Thousands of anti-Israel protesters clashed with police Saturday night after they refused to vacate the Bay Ridge street they had flooded for hours.

The "Flood Brooklyn for Palestine" demonstration devolved into chaos as night fell, with protesters completely shutting down traffic, screaming at police and lighting small fires in the middle of the roadways.

The overwhelming demonstration kicked off hours earlier in one of the largest Arab and Middle Eastern communities in New York City

"We are calling for full liberation of all of Palestine . . . to every single inch, from river to the sea," shouted one protester, repeating a refrain used by Hamas terrorists and their anti-Israel backers.

"We are not like other groups simply calling for a cease-fire," added the woman, wearing a T-shirt of one of the event's organizers, the radical leftist group Within Our Lifetime.

"Say it loud, say it clear, we don't want no Zionists here!" protesters cheered while beating on drums and waving Palestinian flags.

"We will free Palestine within our lifetime!" the crowd cried, holding signs reading, "Zionism is genocide" and "Resistance is justified when people are occupied."

"Please keep the world clean!" the sign read.

[MuggsyB]

Are you claiming this is not true? (Hint: the anti-semantic Western press does not want to report this).

https://www2.cbn.com/news/world/palestinian-authority-issues-call-murder-jews-tells-islamic-leaders-incite-violence
CBN News has reviewed the document written in Arabic and the translation is accurate.


https://twitter.com/GadiTaub1/status/1715312782848000114

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I wrote this in the same post, and you gave everyone a real-time example of how it works. For this, I owe you a giant thank you.

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Palestinians, or all their leaders, tell you to your face what they want— the end of Isreal and the death of all the Jews.

Why do they speak like this? Why do they celebrate the slaughter of 1,500 Israelis?

They know that the West is full of conceited progressives (like this board). When they read documents like the one above or see the slaughter the Palestinians committed. It "does not compute" in their brain.

The Palestinians know Western progressives will conclude that "this must be wrong or taken out of context" or use the code words of ignorance (it is "complicated" or "nuanced") or disassemble the situation (it is Hamas, not Palsteinsians because they need them to be different).

Why? This document or the attack is not how progressives act/believe. Western progressives have the conceit that they genuinely think everyone worldwide, from every/any culture, agrees with them because why wouldn't everyone hold a Western progressive view?

Sickening document.  Heisy, if Hezbollah attacks from the north what do you think the IDF will do?  Can Israel defend herself and those 100K tactile missiles with another front from the South and potentially Syria getting involved?  As you know I would have preemptively done a bunch of things as far as Hezbollah is concerned.  Can we play a role in fortifying their Iron Dome? 

'm not gonna give BIden much credit for saying the right things, it's about action.  It's also worth nothing that we and Israel we clearly unprepared.  I recall what Sullivan said less than a month ago.  We're also barely even talking about the hostages, 12 of which are American.  I would not have a reactionary position right now if I was the United States.  Just sayin.  As for the vitriol towards Israel and the Jewish people?  Don't expect that to improve anytime soon.  Israel will do what must be done.

[Uncle Rico]

Sickening document.  Heisy, if Hezbollah attacks from the north what do you think the IDF will do?  Can Israel defend herself and those 100K tactile missiles with another front from the South and potentially Syria getting involved?  As you know I would have preemptively done a bunch of things as far as Hezbollah is concerned.  Can we play a role in fortifying their Iron Dome? 

'm not gonna give BIden much credit for saving the right things, it's about action.  It's also worth nothing that we and Israel we clearly unprepared.  I recall what Sullivan said less than a month ago.  We're also barely even talking about the hostages, 12 of which are American.  I would not have a reactionary position right now if I was the United States.  Just sayin.  As for the vitriol towards Israel and the Jewish people?  Don't expect that to improve anytime soon.  Israel will do what must be done.

Biden and America has been supporting Israel for decades financially and with arms.  We're not sending troops and if that's the action you want, maybe tell your folks in congress to quit fighting culture wars and amongst themselves, aina?

[MuggsyB]

What is your point? That this is not a war for the existence of a race of people? That "everything will be just fine" if only Isreal would calm down?

And yes, I am de-legitimizing Palestinians. Until Palestinian leaders and/or protests in Arab countries come forcibly again on October 7, stop issuing documents to Inmans to call for the death of all Jews in Paryer services, and stop calling for the genocide of a race e of people ("from the river to the sea"), they do not deserve any legitimacy.

One more thing, "Leader of Muslins" (the definition of Sultan), if there was a handle called "The Grand Wizard of Semantics" and it was defending the Minneapolis Police in the summer of 2020, or the Christmas massacre in Waukesha, what would have been the reaction to it?

Why should the reaction to you,in this thread, with your positions, be any different?

Yesterday in NYC
Thousands of protesters demanding eradication of Israel clash with NYPD
https://nypost.com/2023/10/21/thousands-of-nyc-protesters-demand-eradication-of-israel/

Thousands of anti-Israel protesters clashed with police Saturday night after they refused to vacate the Bay Ridge street they had flooded for hours.

The "Flood Brooklyn for Palestine" demonstration devolved into chaos as night fell, with protesters completely shutting down traffic, screaming at police and lighting small fires in the middle of the roadways.

The overwhelming demonstration kicked off hours earlier in one of the largest Arab and Middle Eastern communities in New York City

"We are calling for full liberation of all of Palestine . . . to every single inch, from river to the sea," shouted one protester, repeating a refrain used by Hamas terrorists and their anti-Israel backers.

"We are not like other groups simply calling for a cease-fire," added the woman, wearing a T-shirt of one of the event's organizers, the radical leftist group Within Our Lifetime.

"Say it loud, say it clear, we don't want no Zionists here!" protesters cheered while beating on drums and waving Palestinian flags.

"We will free Palestine within our lifetime!" the crowd cried, holding signs reading, "Zionism is genocide" and "Resistance is justified when people are occupied."

"Please keep the world clean!" the sign read.

Fluffy may still think Jews are occupying Gaza?  I dunno.  Why is it that middle eastern/muslim communities all over the Western World have a 0.0 desire to move to any country in the Middle East?

[Hards Alumni]

Sickening document.  Heisy, if Hezbollah attacks from the north what do you think the IDF will do?  Can Israel defend herself and those 100K tactile missiles with another front from the South and potentially Syria getting involved?  As you know I would have preemptively done a bunch of things as far as Hezbollah is concerned.  Can we play a role in fortifying their Iron Dome? 

'm not gonna give BIden much credit for saying the right things, it's about action.  It's also worth nothing that we and Israel we clearly unprepared.  I recall what Sullivan said less than a month ago.  We're also barely even talking about the hostages, 12 of which are American.  I would not have a reactionary position right now if I was the United States.  Just sayin.  As for the vitriol towards Israel and the Jewish people?  Don't expect that to improve anytime soon.  Israel will do what must be done.

If Israel is bombarded from the North by Hezbollah, the US will 100% blow them to high hell.

[MuggsyB]

Biden and America has been supporting Israel for decades financially and with arms.  We're not sending troops and if that's the action you want, maybe tell your folks in congress to quit fighting culture wars and amongst themselves, aina?

They're supporting Hamas via Iran as well.  It's good we sent the carriers but Israel may need help if this becomes a 2 or 3 front war. 

[MuggsyB]

If Israel is bombarded from the North by Hezbollah, the US will 100% blow them to high hell.

Ya tbink?? 

[Heisenberg]

Look in the mirror, pal. You have made at least a dozen truly unhinged posts in this thread, including your Joseph McCarthy schtick of saying that everyone who disagrees with you about anything is a "Jew hater." This from a snowflake who used to whine about "name-calling" constantly. You also happen to be easily swayed by misinformation, which is annoying.

I'm not "torn" by anything. What I am is amused by the Scoopers who claim others are anti-Semitic even as they blindly support the raging anti-Semites who are tearing America apart.

This thread calmed down considerably when the mods told you to take some time off for your very personal ad hominem attacks against multiple Scoopers.

Fifty-eight pages, and I am most vocal of maybe 2 or 3 people against the secular Western progressive view here. And yes, for that, I was banned for a week.

And if the mods want to make another intensely political decision and ban only my point of view, not some of the genuinely hateful views here ... it is their board.

Do you want to see my texts/DMs from lurkers and non-posters and how upset they are by the view on this board and in this thread? Are they legitimately afraid of speaking up out of fear of being Doxxed?

Do you think there are no Jewish fans of MU basketball who read what some posters say here and are not upset?