Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[21Jumpstreet]

And to answer "would I use a nuclear" weapon on Iran I will just state emphatically thaf I would eliminate their chances getting a nuclear weapon.  Ever.  If that means we would have to nuke ourselves to take out their facilities?  I'm not against it but I don't think it would be necessary.

Am I misreading this, Muggs, you're okay with nuking ourselves? Like innocent Americans? Truly asking, as it sounds strange.

[Skatastrophy]

Am I misreading this, Muggs, you're okay with nuking ourselves? Like innocent Americans? Truly asking, as it sounds strange.

Fentanyl is very popular right now and it's likely more than one person on Scoop has a habit

[Uncle Rico]

And you continue to have  no spine or morals.

Not worth it

[21Jumpstreet]

And you continue to have  no spine or morals.

Muggs, I don't think this is fair even if you're in disagreement. Being a warmonger doesn't equal having a spine, strong, military force responses don't equate to having a spine. We are discussing atrocities and war, I'm not sure morals is as cut and dry as you're making it out to be by your very own examples. This is not easy, Muggs, it's death and destruction, not for anyone.

[MU82]

I'm not resisting anything.  You should be screaming from the rooftops about the myriad of takes and asinine moral equivalency people are intimating here regarding this horrific situation.  There are a lot of people on the wrong side MU82, I'm not one of them.  I want you to ask yourself point-blank what some of the squadlike people and all of us posting would write if there were KKK rallies all over college campuses yelling "Dylan Roof was right"?  Do you think they would simply be insouciant and accept it?  Would you and others state that college President's not doing a fking thing about it is "free speech"?  I'm gonna call b-crape.

I think you mean well, Muggs, but you sound unhinged. You and a few others here are going the Joseph McCarthy route, effectively calling out anybody who doesn't agree 100% with you a "Jew hater." To use one of your pet phrases, it's unacceptable.

[Hards Alumni]

Googled
https://www.timesofisrael.com/unrwa-textbooks-still-include-hate-antisemitism-despite-pledge-to-remove-watchdog/

Okay, next factor.  Vast majority.  Which is what he said.

[21Jumpstreet]

Not worth it

Wish you would have left your post up.

[forgetful]

Uh.....no.  Look at the UNWRA textbooks.  The entire organization there is a freaking joke.

Jewish academics indicate that Jewish schools teach children to hate Palestinians.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/aug/07/israeli-school-racism-claim

Teaching hate, no matter what the context is terrible. It is a massive part of the problem. Kids grow up hating something they don't even know.

It is part of the cycle of violence over there.

[Uncle Rico]

Wish you would have left your post up.

No, this is too emotional for Muggs and he can't differentiate support for Israel and their response versus those here who disagree with use of American troops, military or weapons in other arenas.  He's not changing his mind

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

This thread has been informative, contentious, at times ridiculous, but largely civil and honestly refreshing given the direction some of the heated topics on this board have went.  So a sincere kudos to everyone (not sarcastic), part of the reason this is, at its best, a great board and more than just some college hoops nerds.

That being said, I closed the open Scoop windows I had last night and signed off of social media after a day that, admittedly, I got a bit in the weeds in terms of reading, scrolling, etc...  I gave my 1 year old son a bath and completely unintentionally had sort of out of body reflective moment...I know many of you have young kids, some have young grandkids.  Take some time today and especially this weekend and just hug them and be thankful for the situation that they are in.  Regardless of where you lean in the conflict, there are scared kids all over.  From kids in Gaza who lost family or their lives, to those in Israel who went through the same, from refugee camps, to my very affluent business associate in Tel Aviv who still had to make a game, with his 2 and 5 year olds, out of stocking and preparing their bomb/safety shelter at home last week to keep them level and not freaked out.

We strive to do the best for our kids and sometimes we lose track of how truly fortunate they are in the grand scheme, no matter the comparison set here in the US.

Now back to using Sesame Street for teaching my son how we should best use tactical nukes to eliminate the Mullahs

Sorry late to this but it is a thoughtful and heartfelt statement. A lot of us have been lucky enough to travel the world and I think hopefully can come around to the fact that a majority of the average citizen no matter where you are are welcoming, hospitable, and willing to engage. Unfortunately the voices of a few can push policy and rhetoric that reflects poorly on these people and poison the well of good human nature.

I have had candid discussions with (albeit younger) people from countries we regard as our "adversaries" and it seems to almost always come out as that our governments do not speak for us as individuals on everything; and everyone as long as they reciprocate kindness is welcome at the dinner table.

Edit: except ND fans

[21Jumpstreet]

No, this is too emotional for Muggs and he can't differentiate support for Israel and their response versus those here who disagree with use of American troops, military or weapons in other arenas.  He's not changing his mind

Nor should we try to change it, but your thoughts are necessary to the discussion, in my opinion. It is emotional to be sure.

[Uncle Rico]

Nor should we try to change it, but your thoughts are necessary to the discussion, in my opinion. It is emotional to be sure.

Thanks for the kind words

[Heisenberg]

Jewish academics indicate that Jewish schools teach children to hate Palestinians.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/aug/07/israeli-school-racism-claim

Teaching hate, no matter what the context is terrible. It is a massive part of the problem. Kids grow up hating something they don't even know.

It is part of the cycle of violence over there.

Do you know who you quote here (the "Jewish academic" criticizing Israel teaching hate in schools)? Her background and what she represents?
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1997-sep-11-mn-31106-story.html
(tl:dr, Forgetful quotes and Isreal critic whose daughter was killed by a suicide bomber in 1997. The Israelis blamed the PLO. She condemns Israel, not the PLO, for her daughter's death. She has been an unhinged critic of Israel ever since. She openly describes herself as "left to far left. The author's even welcomed PLO representatives to her daughter's funeral.)

Forgetful, your rampant antisemitism has been well established. But even this was beyond the pale for you. Yes, I saw it.

I'm referring to what you wrote in this message and left here for 75 minutes before you thought better of it and took it down.

NM

I'll stop now and let you explain to everyone what you said here before you took it down 75 minutes later.

Then, I will report it to the mods and see what they think.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Do you know who you quote here (the "Jewish academic" criticizing Israel teaching hate in schools)? Her background and what she represents?
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1997-sep-11-mn-31106-story.html
(tl:dr, Forgetful quotes and Isreal critic whose daughter was killed by a suicide bomber in 1997. The Israelis blamed the PLO. She condemns Israel, not the PLO, for her daughter's death. She has been an unhinged critic of Israel ever since. She openly describes herself as "left to far left. The author's even welcomed PLO representatives to her daughter's funeral.)

Forgetful, your rampant antisemitism has been well established. But even this was beyond the pale. Yes, I saw it.

I'm referring to what you wrote in this message and left here for 75 minutes before you thought better of it and took it down.

I'll stop now and let you explain to everyone what you said here before you took it down 75 minutes later.

Then, I will report it to the mods and see what they think.

[MuggsyB]

Am I misreading this, Muggs, you're okay with nuking ourselves? Like innocent Americans? Truly asking, as it sounds strange.

I meant us nuking them.  Sorry. 

[ATL MU Warrior]

And to answer "would I use a nuclear" weapon on Iran I will just state emphatically thaf I would eliminate their chances getting a nuclear weapon.  Ever.  If that means we would have to nuke ourselves to take out their facilities?  I'm not against it but I don't think it would be necessary.

I'm now very curious how nuking ourselves would help defeat Iran.

[Hards Alumni]

Do you know who you quote here (the "Jewish academic" criticizing Israel teaching hate in schools)? Her background and what she represents?
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1997-sep-11-mn-31106-story.html
(tl:dr, Forgetful quotes and Isreal critic whose daughter was killed by a suicide bomber in 1997. The Israelis blamed the PLO. She condemns Israel, not the PLO, for her daughter's death. She has been an unhinged critic of Israel ever since. She openly describes herself as "left to far left. The author's even welcomed PLO representatives to her daughter's funeral.)

Forgetful, your rampant antisemitism has been well established. But even this was beyond the pale for you. Yes, I saw it.

I'm referring to what you wrote in this message and left here for 75 minutes before you thought better of it and took it down.

I'll stop now and let you explain to everyone what you said here before you took it down 75 minutes later.

Then, I will report it to the mods and see what they think.

[forgetful]

Do you know who you quote here (the "Jewish academic" criticizing Israel teaching hate in schools)? Her background and what she represents?
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1997-sep-11-mn-31106-story.html
(tl:dr, Forgetful quotes and Isreal critic whose daughter was killed by a suicide bomber in 1997. The Israelis blamed the PLO. She condemns Israel, not the PLO, for her daughter's death. She has been an unhinged critic of Israel ever since. She openly describes herself as "left to far left. The author's even welcomed PLO representatives to her daughter's funeral.)

Forgetful, your rampant antisemitism has been well established. But even this was beyond the pale for you. Yes, I saw it.

I'm referring to what you wrote in this message and left here for 75 minutes before you thought better of it and took it down.

I'll stop now and let you explain to everyone what you said here before you took it down 75 minutes later.

Then, I will report it to the mods and see what they think.

Stating I support antisemitism is laughable for many reasons that I will not go into here.

Are you also saying a woman, who is a respected award winning Israeli academic, who grew up in a respected Jewish household and whose daughter was the victim of terrorism is also an antisemite?

You are clearly incapable of understanding that when discussing complicated and difficult global problem one needs to examine all sides of the issue, separate from emotion, and when doing so to use credible and respected sources to the best of ones ability.

And I removed the post, because it wouldn't have advanced discussion here at all and then did not serve a purpose. I'm assuming what you disliked was criticism of the Likud party's official platform, which I quoted directly.

The only thing I want is for no more innocent lives to be lost, that applies equally to all races, religions, nationalities etc.

[The Sultan]

You've done it now forgetful. Heisey's gonna report you!!!

[MuggsyB]

Stating I support antisemitism is laughable for many reasons that I will not go into here.

Are you also saying a woman, who is a respected award winning Israeli academic, who grew up in a respected Jewish household and whose daughter was the victim of terrorism is also an antisemite?

You are clearly incapable of understanding that when discussing complicated and difficult global problem one needs to examine all sides of the issue, separate from emotion, and when doing so to use credible and respected sources to the best of ones ability.

And I removed the post, because it wouldn't have advanced discussion here at all and then did not serve a purpose. I'm assuming what you disliked was criticism of the Likud party's official platform, which I quoted directly.

The only thing I want is for no more innocent lives to be lost, that applies equally to all races, religions, nationalities etc.

There are antisemitic Jews as we saw the other day when they were in the capital.  I don't know this woman but her being Jewish doesn't mean she isn't prejudiced.  We all read the ridiculous comments of Bernie Sanders. "All I want is no more innocent lives lost" is an absolutely moronic take based on what actually happened.  It would be like FDR after Pearl Harbor saying we won't fight in the Pacific because innocent lives will be lost.   Israeli citizens, not the military, were massacred Forgetful.  1500 of them which proportially would be 37,000 American citizens.  My suggestion would be to actually reflect on the events in Israel, in all of its detail on Oct. 7th.  Wake the H up.   

[Heisenberg]

Stating I support antisemitism is laughable for many reasons that I will not go into here.

Are you also saying a woman, who is a respected award winning Israeli academic, who grew up in a respected Jewish household and whose daughter was the victim of terrorism is also an antisemite?

You are clearly incapable of understanding that when discussing complicated and difficult global problem one needs to examine all sides of the issue, separate from emotion, and when doing so to use credible and respected sources to the best of ones ability.

And I removed the post, because it wouldn't have advanced discussion here at all and then did not serve a purpose. I'm assuming what you disliked was criticism of the Likud party's official platform, which I quoted directly.

The only thing I want is for no more innocent lives to be lost, that applies equally to all races, religions, nationalities etc.

No, I disliked your reference to not having a problem "from the River to the Sea" and how you thought it was reasonable.

And you're correct. Defending a statement calling for the extermination of the Jewish race will not advance the discussion.

And to be clear on the gravity of this statement, Marc Lamont Hill used these six words in 2018, and CNN immediately fired him because everyone knows what these words mean ... six words you do not have a problem with.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/29/media/marc-lamont-hill-cnn/index.html

[Skatastrophy]

From the sounds of it, Biden and McConnell are on the same page about the joint aid request to congress. They both believe that the Ukraine/Israel/Taiwan & US/Mexican border efforts should be combined and funded as one.

[Uncle Rico]

From the sounds of it, Biden and McConnell are on the same page about the joint aid request to congress. They both believe that the Ukraine/Israel/Taiwan & US/Mexican border efforts should be combined and funded as one.

But they didn't condemn Bernie Sanders who doesn't want more death, the monster.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

There are antisemitic Jews as we saw the other day when they were in the capital.  I don't know this woman but her being Jewish doesn't mean she isn't prejudiced.  We all read the ridiculous comments of Bernie Sanders. "All I want is no more innocent lives lost" is an absolutely moronic take based on what actually happened.  It would be like FDR after Pearl Harbor saying we won't fight in the Pacific because innocent lives will be lost.   Israeli citizens, not the military, were massacred Forgetful.  1500 of them which proportially would be 37,000 American citizens.  My suggestion would be to actually reflect on the events in Israel, in all of its detail on Oct. 7th.  Wake the H up.

[Hards Alumni]

No, I disliked your reference to not having a problem "from the River to the Sea" and how you thought it was reasonable.

And you're correct. Defending a statement calling for the extermination of the Jewish race will not advance the discussion.

And to be clear on the gravity of this statement, Marc Lamont Hill used these six words in 2018, and CNN immediately fired him because everyone knows what these words mean ... six words you do not have a problem with.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/29/media/marc-lamont-hill-cnn/index.html

It's interesting to see another person who thinks a free Palestine means the extermination of the Jewish people.  You do realize how unhinged that mentality is, right?

No one should take you seriously, since you are clearly not a serious person.