Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[The Sultan]

Marquette is not what it was 30 years ago either. Sprinkle in some improvements and blend it with some negatives, aina?

Nah. Less priests walking around and some newer buildings, but by and large it's the same place.

[Pakuni]

So to recap ...

We've got a bunch of folks with little to no knowledge speculating from thousands of miles away based on limited evidence.

Can't beat that for fun.

We'll solve this whole mess any day now, 82.

[4everwarriors]

So, you don't think the transition from Raynor, all the way thru Lovell, the first lay president, hasn't changed MU's culture and identity? I emphatically say you are wrong, hey?

[The Sultan]

So, you don't think the transition from Raynor, all the way thru Lovell, the first lay president, hasn't changed MU's culture and identity? I emphatically say you are wrong, hey?

Well, Raynor wasn't President 30 years ago. But yes, it is largely the same school, and you are exaggerating the extent of any changes that have taken place.

[4everwarriors]

Respectfully disagree, and if its too hard for you to say it. I'll help out. MU is a lot more liberal than it was back in the day. That is obvious to anyone who pays attention, hey?

[MU82]

Marquette is not what it was 30 years ago either. Sprinkle in some improvements and blend it with some negatives, aina?

Campus is much nicer and safer, for one thing.

All of which has so much to do with "Israel is at War."

We'll solve this whole mess any day now, 82.

We got this, Pak!

[The Sultan]

Respectfully disagree, and if its too hard for you to say it. I'll help out. MU is a lot more liberal than it was back in the day. That is obvious to anyone who pays attention, hey?

I don't know how liberal it was then or how liberal it is now. As a student, it seemed pretty apolitical. As a parent, the same. As an alum, the same.

You are just highly attuned to fighting culture wars that 95% of people don't care about.

[Uncle Rico]

I don't know how liberal it was then or how liberal it is now. As a student, it seemed pretty apolitical. As a parent, the same. As an alum, the same.

You are just highly attuned to fighting culture wars that 95% of people don't care about.

They got rid of Indian mascot!

[The Sultan]

They got rid of Indian mascot!

Well, as of last week, that was more than 30 years ago too.

[JWags85]

Can we keep this thread on topic?  At least the previous detours had SOMETHING to do with the conflict

[MU82]

From NYT:

U.S. officials said early intelligence indicated that the deadly blast at a Gaza hospital that killed hundreds of civilians on Tuesday was caused by a Palestinian armed group.

The officials cautioned that the analysis was preliminary and that the United States was continuing to collect and analyze evidence.

[forgetful]

So to recap ...

We've got a bunch of folks with little to no knowledge speculating from thousands of miles away based on limited evidence.

Can't beat that for fun.

Well personally, I think you are giving us too much benefit of the doubt when you say "limited evidence." Personally, I think it is just pure speculation.

I will say though, that there is surprisingly little information coming out from any side on the hospital bombing.

That might be because (quoting a military friend right now), "it's an absolute shitshow over there right now."

[lawdog77]

From NYT:

U.S. officials said early intelligence indicated that the deadly blast at a Gaza hospital that killed hundreds of civilians on Tuesday was caused by a Palestinian armed group.

The officials cautioned that the analysis was preliminary and that the United States was continuing to collect and analyze evidence.

Waiting for the experts (Pakuni, Hards) to weigh in

[Pakuni]

Waiting for the experts (Pakuni, Hards) to weigh in

What I wrote yesterday:

"Perhaps IDF is correct. Perhaps not. Either way, the killing of hundreds of people at a hospital is horrific and shouldn't be casually dismissed, as one eloquent and empathetic Scooper put it, as 'chit happens.'"

[JWags85]

I do think another interesting aspect is that with pictures coming out of the site this morning, that 500 dead figure seems awfully high/incorrect.

[lawdog77]

Sure it was. Hamas is firing rockets into southern Gaza.
This was Hamas too, I'm sure.

https://time.com/6324775/hundreds-killed-israeli-airstrike-gaza-hospital/

As of five days ago, the IDF already had dropped 6,000 bombs on Gaza (source: IDF). Figure thousands of more by now.
But when civilians die, it's because of Hamas rocket misfires.
That seems convenient.

So, you were wrong? Which time?

[Pakuni]

So, you were wrong? Which time?

My first comment was in regards to this incident in southern Gaza, not the hospital in northern Gaza (hence my reference to southern Gaza).
And it wasn't Hamas who hit the hospital. All sides agree on that.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-rcna120252

[Hards Alumni]

Here is more aerial footage showing and the thread has good information...

https://x.com/oalexanderdk/status/1714521111839359179?s=46

Everyone yesterday, including Hards, was saying it was clearly a JDAM which only Israel could have.  Yet the footage and evidence today shows it could not have been a JDAM.

And if the IDF was really truly trying to wipe out a hospital, they wouldn't hit the parking lot.

It's not definitive evidence, but it's also interesting that various Twitter accounts that were tweeting multiples times yesterday condemning Israel or calling out the IDF for such an atrocity have been completely silent on everything related to the incident this morning.  I know of at least 3 accounts from media adjacent people that deleted a bunch of tweets already since last night

IDF are clearly a trustworthy source, having never have lied before. 

[MuggsyB]

From NYT:

U.S. officials said early intelligence indicated that the deadly blast at a Gaza hospital that killed hundreds of civilians on Tuesday was caused by a Palestinian armed group.

The officials cautioned that the analysis was preliminary and that the United States was continuing to collect and analyze evidence.

It would have been nice if the NYT and major media outlets actually waited for this to be investigated/confirmed yesterday instead of believing Hamas immediately. 

[Hards Alumni]

From NYT:

U.S. officials said early intelligence indicated that the deadly blast at a Gaza hospital that killed hundreds of civilians on Tuesday was caused by a Palestinian armed group.

The officials cautioned that the analysis was preliminary and that the United States was continuing to collect and analyze evidence.

Boy that sure sounds definitive, and that in no way the US would be covering for its ally!

Let's just wait for the independent investigation.  I'm going to cool my jets on this one for a while.

[lawdog77]

And it wasn't Hamas who hit the hospital. All sides agree on that.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-rcna120252

Who was it then?

[MU82]

Boy that sure sounds definitive, and that in no way the US would be covering for its ally!

Let's just wait for the independent investigation.  I'm going to cool my jets on this one for a while.

Yes.

[Pakuni]

Who was it then?

Israel claimed Palestinian militant group Islamic Jihad is responsible for a deadly hospital explosion in Gaza that left hundreds dead amid the ongoing war in the region.
"A failed rocket launch by the Islamic Jihad terrorist organization hit the Al Ahli hospital in Gaza City," the Israeli military said in a post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.

https://thehill.com/policy/international/4262103-israel-islamic-jihad-failed-rocket-gaza-hospital-explosion/

[lawdog77]

Israel claimed Palestinian militant group Islamic Jihad is responsible for a deadly hospital explosion in Gaza that left hundreds dead amid the ongoing war in the region.
"A failed rocket launch by the Islamic Jihad terrorist organization hit the Al Ahli hospital in Gaza City," the Israeli military said in a post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.

https://thehill.com/policy/international/4262103-israel-islamic-jihad-failed-rocket-gaza-hospital-explosion/

I read your comments that you were implying it was Israel who fired it

[21Jumpstreet]

The Foundation for Individual Rights anr Expression (FIRE) named Harvard the worst school in the country for Free Speech.  Penn was 2nd.

This is indeed true.

Can I ask what you're getting at regarding Penn? Or, are you just making a point about FIRE supporting the first amendment in all circumstances no matter how disgusting or offensive someone's speech is.