Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[rocket surgeon]

Sounds good.  I can retract that portion if you'd like.  Deal with the rest though.  Israel denies it despite the size of the explosion.  It's lies.

The rockets that Hamas uses doesn't have the ability to destroy a hospital.

so now you are a munitions expert on hamas weaponry?  you sure that big "H" on your sweaty t-shirt stands for hardy? 
   well your esteemed leader, before having his first ben & jerry's, concludes the hospital carnage is from hamas misfired(or not) rocket. 

they have audio, video and satellite imagery to prove this.  if it were from IDF, there would have been far more damage, cratering etc  this has all the evidence of a failed rocket launch that fell from the sky and blew up

  hate to ruin your "exhilaration"


https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-18/ty-article-live/israeli-army-blames-islamic-jihad-for-hitting-gaza-hospital-in-deadly-strike/0000018b-40a6-d881-abab-edae5c5d0000

[Uncle Rico]

so now you are a munitions expert on hamas weaponry?  you sure that big "H" on your sweaty t-shirt stands for hardy? 
   well your esteemed leader, before having his first ben & jerry's, concludes the hospital carnage is from hamas misfired(or not) rocket. 

they have audio, video and satellite imagery to prove this.  if it were from IDF, there would have been far more damage, cratering etc  this has all the evidence of a failed rocket launch that fell from the sky and blew up

  hate to ruin your "exhilaration"


https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-18/ty-article-live/israeli-army-blames-islamic-jihad-for-hitting-gaza-hospital-in-deadly-strike/0000018b-40a6-d881-abab-edae5c5d0000

9 out of 10

[MuggsyB]

That's simply not true. I work in this area. We get complaints all the time about professors saying things that are conservative (I assume that's what you mean by "plethora of other topics") and 100% of them are still employed, even some that have said some truly despicable things. Honestly, the only areas where I do so professors getting fired for free speech is liberal professors at conservative religious universities (they typically have a little more latitude to police the speech of their employees when it contradicts religious values).

But I'm open to being proven wrong. Do you have any examples of Ivy League professors or students "being gone in ten minutes" for "remarks on a plethora of other topics"?

First of all how many conservative professors do you think there are in the Ivy League total?  Maybe 50?  Fewer?  People don't want to lose their job.  Are you telling me if a protest about gender pronouns being stupid was organized at Harvard no one would be dismissed?  Or a rally against Ibram Kendi and the BLM organization? 

[tower912]

Citations.

[pacearrow02]

https://x.com/talhagin/status/1714416463136559592?s=46&t=1Ze0JY8Fq6WBgNZAVe9m3Q

Seems to be a pretty fair analysis.  Not sure how after watching the live AJ video feed one can't conclude there was a failed rocket launch over the site of the eventual hospital fire. 

Morning photos show zero evidence of a crater that I expected to see, unless I'm missed it somewhere.

[Uncle Rico]

First of all how many conservative professors do you think there are in the Ivy League total?  Maybe 50?  Fewer?  People don't want to lose their job.  Are you telling me if a protest about gender pronouns being stupid was organized at Harvard no one would be dismissed?  Or a rally against Ibram Kendi and the BLM organization?

I mean, TAMU works in higher education and deals with these issues on a daily basis, what would he know?

[4everwarriors]

Well, its been pontificated here repeatedly that some of us no nothin' 'bout da professions in which we've worked for yeers, aina?

[4everwarriors]

so now you are a munitions expert on hamas weaponry?  you sure that big "H" on your sweaty t-shirt stands for hardy? 
   well your esteemed leader, before having his first ben & jerry's, concludes the hospital carnage is from hamas misfired(or not) rocket. 

they have audio, video and satellite imagery to prove this.  if it were from IDF, there would have been far more damage, cratering etc  this has all the evidence of a failed rocket launch that fell from the sky and blew up

  hate to ruin your "exhilaration"


Rocket, Hards has been studin' for a long tyme ta reach da "all knowin'" level of Fluffy BM and falls just a tad short, aina?


https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-18/ty-article-live/israeli-army-blames-islamic-jihad-for-hitting-gaza-hospital-in-deadly-strike/0000018b-40a6-d881-abab-edae5c5d0000

[Uncle Rico]

Well, its been pontificated here repeatedly that some of us no nothin' 'bout da professions in which we've worked for yeers, aina?

We know the poor right wingers have no free speech and have to live their lives muzzled.

Checks notes.  Sees they spent the summer attacking rainbow flags, Bud Light, Target and their leading young intellect, prominent right winger Charlie Kirk, is just asking questions about whether Netanyahu allowed the attack to happen to help him and is still grifting away and collecting checks.

Yes, TAMU is obviously wrong.  The right definitely has nowhere for free speech and would lose campus jobs.

[tower912]

Well, its been pontificated here repeatedly that some of us no nothin' 'bout da professions in which we've worked for yeers, aina?

False narrative.  No one says you don't know teeth. 

[MuggsyB]

I mean, TAMU works in higher education and deals with these issues on a daily basis, what would he know?

.  Summers I believe waa dismissed as president for saying men were better in math.  There are almost no conservative voices in the faculty of Ivy League schools.   Student surveys show many are afraid to voice their opinions at Harvard.  If I was a prof at an Ivy and said publicly thaf George Floyd was a criminal and I was "exhilarated" when he died there is a 0.0% chance I wouldn't be fired immediately.  If you have seen sone of the things this guy at Cornell has been spewing for years it's disgusting and I'm guessing this isn't all that unusual. 

[MuggsyB]

All you really need to know are the three statements the Harvard President made after essentially 30 student organizations supported Hamas. 

[MU82]

I neither said nor implied that you do. I said I'm not OK with that. Nothing about you.
But what did you mean when wrote "better their innocents than our innocents?"

What I actually said was: "It's hard for me to blame Israel for saying, "Better their innocents than our innocents."

Which undoubtedly is what Israel is thinking.

Well, as you note, I acknowledged that civilians will be killed. So, your question confuses me.
But I also acknowledge a difference between inadvertant civilian casualties and those that result from indiscriminate bombing and collective punishment. The justness of the Israeli cause - and I agree it is just - does not justify any means.

Should a school or hospital packed with children be blown up because Hamas might also have weapons inside?

I simply do not have enough knowledge about how to eradicate - not just defeat, but eliminate - a terrorist group like Hamas, which hides among its civilians and which hides its weapons in hospitals and mosques and schools, without there being loss of civilian lives.

Do you have that knowledge?

I like to think Israel isn't doing "indiscriminate bombing" just for the sake of it. I like to think they are being as tactically precise as possible - bombing only where they are sure Hamas is. But even the best weapon systems out there can't be so precise to spare all innocents.

So those innocents will be war victims, as innocents were in Hawaii in 1941 and in Hiroshima in 1945 and in Vietnam in 1967 and in Iraq in 2003 and in Israel last week and in every war before and since and in the future. It doesn't make it "OK," it's just stating a fact.

So no, I'd 100% rather Israel not blow up a hospital or school just because they think there might be weapons inside. I'm simply trying to be realistic. When one side cowardly hides behind children, some children will die. I wish like hell that wasn't so.

Lastly, Pak, let me say that I appreciate the civil tone of our conversation. This is a very complex and emotional issue, and an extremely sad one. It's easy to go over the top, as some others have done. So thanks.

[JWags85]

Hate to break up the argument about politics in universities, but more hospital updates this morning...

https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/1714525590873575600?s=46

https://x.com/i24news_en/status/1714567891662573942?s=46

[MuggsyB]

The Foundation for Individual Rights anr Expression (FIRE) named Harvard the worst school in the country for Free Speech.  Penn was 2nd. 

[Uncle Rico]

Hate to break up the argument about politics in universities, but more hospital updates this morning...

https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/1714525590873575600?s=46

https://x.com/i24news_en/status/1714567891662573942?s=46

Politics at universities is how the world will finally solve a problem that has befuddled it since the beginning of time.

[The Sultan]

.  Summers I believe waa dismissed as president for saying men were better in math.  There are almost no conservative voices in the faculty of Ivy League schools.   Student surveys show many are afraid to voice their opinions at Harvard.  If I was a prof at an Ivy and said publicly thaf George Floyd was a criminal and I was "exhilarated" when he died there is a 0.0% chance I wouldn't be fired immediately.  If you have seen sone of the things this guy at Cornell has been spewing for years it's disgusting and I'm guessing this isn't all that unusual. 

You can keep saying things, but that doesn't make them come to life as truths.

Yes academia is more liberal than the general population. However there are plenty of conservative professors, and they are afforded the same rights as the liberal ones.

You are just wrong here.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

First of all how many conservative professors do you think there are in the Ivy League total?  Maybe 50?  Fewer?

I think a "conservative" estimate (see what I did there?) would be about 400 per institution. A definite minority but the population is not as homogenous as you are claiming.

Fewer?  People don't want to lose their job.  Are you telling me if a protest about gender pronouns being stupid was organized at Harvard no one would be dismissed?  Or a rally against Ibram Kendi and the BLM organization?

That's exactly what I'm telling you. Across the country there are thousands examples of students and professors engaging in free speech in support of conservative positions (and thousands more engaging in free speech that some would call hateful) every day and none of them are getting disciplined for it. Same is true for the opposite side of the political spectrum. In the vast vast vast majority of cases, Universities don't punish people for engaging in protected speech, the few that do are quickly reprimanded.

.  Summers I believe waa dismissed as president for saying men were better in math.  There are almost no conservative voices in the faculty of Ivy League schools.   Student surveys show many are afraid to voice their opinions at Harvard.  If I was a prof at an Ivy and said publicly thaf George Floyd was a criminal and I was "exhilarated" when he died there is a 0.0% chance I wouldn't be fired immediately.  If you have seen sone of the things this guy at Cornell has been spewing for years it's disgusting and I'm guessing this isn't all that unusual. 

Summers wasn't dismissed. He resigned. His comments on women in stem were a part of the reason he resigned but IIRC he had been involved with a lawsuit that cost Harvard something like $25million and that was the bigger reason for his resignation.

If a professor at a public protest said that George Floyd was a criminal and they were exhilarated when he died, that would be free speech and they would not be terminated for it. If they were, they would likely have grounds for a lawsuit. What would likely happen is that the university would put out a statement condemning the professor's words. I wonder if that happened at Cornell....

https://statements.cornell.edu/2023/20231017-rickford-comments.cfm

It looks like they are going to try to find a way to get rid of Rickford.

The Foundation for Individual Rights anr Expression (FIRE) named Harvard the worst school in the country for Free Speech.  Penn was 2nd. 

I couldn't care less what FIRE has to say. They are not a credible organization.

[The Sultan]

.  Summers I believe waa dismissed as president for saying men were better in math.  There are almost no conservative voices in the faculty of Ivy League schools.   Student surveys show many are afraid to voice their opinions at Harvard.  If I was a prof at an Ivy and said publicly thaf George Floyd was a criminal and I was "exhilarated" when he died there is a 0.0% chance I wouldn't be fired immediately.  If you have seen sone of the things this guy at Cornell has been spewing for years it's disgusting and I'm guessing this isn't all that unusual. 

I mean you're just wrong on a number of fronts here. It would helpful if you stopped talking out of your a$$.

[forgetful]

Hate to break up the argument about politics in universities, but more hospital updates this morning...

https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/1714525590873575600?s=46

https://x.com/i24news_en/status/1714567891662573942?s=46

I'm not sure who was responsible. But the language of "appears" and the lack of major damage are not that convincing.

I find it hard to believe, that with all the technology being used on that region right now, that there isn't definitive evidence from either Israeli, or US intelligence as to what actually happened. It is possible they are not showing that evidence, because they don't want to give up methods and operational capacity, but what they have presented isn't very convincing.

[JWags85]

I'm not sure who was responsible. But the language of "appears" and the lack of major damage are not that convincing.

I find it hard to believe, that with all the technology being used on that region right now, that there isn't definitive evidence from either Israeli, or US intelligence as to what actually happened. It is possible they are not showing that evidence, because they don't want to give up methods and operational capacity, but what they have presented isn't very convincing.

Here is more aerial footage showing and the thread has good information...

https://x.com/oalexanderdk/status/1714521111839359179?s=46

Everyone yesterday, including Hards, was saying it was clearly a JDAM which only Israel could have.  Yet the footage and evidence today shows it could not have been a JDAM.

And if the IDF was really truly trying to wipe out a hospital, they wouldn't hit the parking lot.

It's not definitive evidence, but it's also interesting that various Twitter accounts that were tweeting multiples times yesterday condemning Israel or calling out the IDF for such an atrocity have been completely silent on everything related to the incident this morning.  I know of at least 3 accounts from media adjacent people that deleted a bunch of tweets already since last night

[TSmith34, Inc.]

I mean you're just wrong on a number of fronts here. It would helpful if you stopped talking out of your a$$.

And when asked for the source of his claims, he simply points to his ass

[MU82]

So to recap ...

We've got a bunch of folks with little to no knowledge speculating from thousands of miles away based on limited evidence.

Can't beat that for fun.

[The Sultan]

And when asked for the source of his claims, he simply points to his ass

Seriously, he just mimics talking points.  And talking points about Ivy League schools as if they are somehow representative of higher education across the country.

After working 30 years in higher education, here are my thoughts.

1. Most students are in school to have some fun and get out with a job.
2. Most faculty are on the liberal side, but rarely do they insert political opinions into their classroom.
3. 1% of the students and faculty are the ones who draw 99% of the headlines. Most don't want to make waves or don't care at all.

I think people like Muggs would find attending school now to be remarkably similar to what it was like at Marquette.

[4everwarriors]

Marquette is not what it was 30 years ago either. Sprinkle in some improvements and blend it with some negatives, aina?