Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[The Sultan]

https://apple.news/A58IGkFgpSceWKOoa6ss_-g

That's his right. Harvard will be fine.

[lawdog77]

I'm not saying I agree with it, just coveying what the googlers could see.

[Uncle Rico]

I'm not saying I agree with it, just coveying what the googlers could see.

Google is too woke for roqqqet.  No way he's using that

[21Jumpstreet]

Do they?
I'm sure you are correct in regards to the university community.
But the public as a whole? Does Doc really look to the presidents of Harvard and Penn for leadership on international affairs? I suspect no more than his local high school principal or the guy who manages the local Wal-Mart (who, I'll note, has been suspiciously quiet about all this. Why hasn't he condemned Hamas???)

I sure hope not. I definitely didn't look to the presidents of Penn and MU for their feelings or comments. I think most of the "obligatory" statements are shallow and no win. EVERYONE I KNOW condemns Hamas, and the fact is that there are Palestinians who are not Hamas at Penn and MU who also need to be supported. Thinking President Magill supports Hamas is dangerous and disingenuous. Thinking she should have been stronger in her primary statement and condemnation of the heinous terrorist acts, definitely, if you expect her to make a statement at all. She will be fired or resign, she will face consequences for her decisions, she should be given grace.

[rocket surgeon]

https://www.euronews.com/2023/10/17/at-least-500-killed-in-gaza-city-hospital-blast?fromBreakingNews=1

At least 500 killed in Gaza City hospital blast

it was a failed hamas rocket launch that caused it contrary (shock) to what hamas et.al. is reporting

[4everwarriors]

My sister-in-law in Tel Aviv has been providing the family and some friends daily updates on their situation. Here is how she began today's. She is a very opinionated, very Jewish, and (obviously) very very very pro-Israel ...

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Let's start this day by dispelling some terms thrown against Israel:

We are an apartheid state.  Ask any South African what apartheid means.  No black person could use the same toilets, they could not seat on the same public benches.  I believe that they couldn't even walk on the same pavement.  The women were maids earning meagre wages and the men were gardeners or only had menial jobs.  Arabs in Israel are treated equally.  95% of all pharmacists are Arabs; Arabs are doctors, nurses, brigadiers in the army, they have their own businesses and pay the same taxes.  We recently had a huge renovation to our apartment.  Our builders were Arabs.  We had various quotes for carpentry, for the builders themselves, for the electrician etc.  We chose the Arab companies – why?  Easy – their work was top notch.

We are occupying Gaza.  Gaza is NOT a part of Israel.  We have not a legal responsibility to Gaza.  We left Gaza in 2005.  As a result they had "fair and open" elections.  Hamas won.  Hamas ran on the ticket that they would provide health services, they would build wealth for the Palestinians.  The net result was yes they did provide some social benefits and they also built wealth for themselves.  If you are gay then you can expect to be executed if you are caught.  Tel Aviv is the gay capital of the world.  Israel provides the infrastructure for the electricity. However, the Palestinians are supposed to pay for this.  They haven't paid for quite a while.   Listen to Joe Biden's speech last night when he said that it would not be a good idea for Israel to occupy Gaza AGAIN - affirming that we do not occupy Gaza.

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She went on to add:

Bibi's legacy is dead!  He will be remembered as the power-mad egotist who fell asleep on his watch.  He was so infatuated by the far, far right that the money that should have gone on defence, education and the health services here instead went on supporting his personal causes.

Israel is not an apartheid state. By definition this is a non-starter. 20% of its population is Arab, 80% Israeli. On the other hand, none of Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, or Lebanon have any Jews. Why aren't the Arab nations welcoming their Palestinian brothers and sisters into their countries? And btw, the Palestinians elected Hamas in their elections and now cry "foul," hey?

[rocket surgeon]

Lies.

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/07/1003872848/the-complicated-history-behind-blms-solidarity-with-the-pro-palestinian-movement

[Pakuni]

Israel is not an apartheid state. By definition this is a non-starter. 20% of its population is Arab, 80% Israeli.

Wut?
76% of South Africa was Black in 1990. Therefore, it wasn't an apartheid state. By definition.

On the other hand, none of Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, or Lebanon have any Jews. Why aren't the Arab nations welcoming their Palestinian brothers and sisters into their countries, hey?

False.
https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/the-arab-world-is-re-embracing-its-jews/21807243

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/diaspora-affairs/1691918153-the-first-rabbi-of-saudi-arabia-building-bridges-as-family-with-mutual-history

[Pakuni]

it was a failed hamas rocket launch that caused it contrary (shock) to what hamas et.al. is reporting

Sure it was. Hamas is firing rockets into southern Gaza.
This was Hamas too, I'm sure.

https://time.com/6324775/hundreds-killed-israeli-airstrike-gaza-hospital/

[Pakuni]

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/07/1003872848/the-complicated-history-behind-blms-solidarity-with-the-pro-palestinian-movement

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/may/20/viral-image/no-black-lives-matter-didnt-say-it-stands-hamas-te/

[rocket surgeon]

Sure it was. Hamas is firing rockets into southern Gaza.
This was Hamas too, I'm sure.

https://time.com/6324775/hundreds-killed-israeli-airstrike-gaza-hospital/

  when did you join hamas?


Israel said the hospital is not a target-it was a failed missile fired off by hamas from the hospital-classic-hamas will sacrafice(read, kill) it's own in order to TRY to gain sympathy

[rocket surgeon]

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/may/20/viral-image/no-black-lives-matter-didnt-say-it-stands-hamas-te/

  so there you have it...seriously??  politifart?  that's like me trying to quote fox news to prove my points to you guys

[Pakuni]

  so there you have it...seriously??  politifart?  that's like me trying to quote fox news to prove my points to you guys

You didn't read it, did you?

[JWags85]

Sure it was. Hamas is firing rockets into southern Gaza.
This was Hamas too, I'm sure.

https://time.com/6324775/hundreds-killed-israeli-airstrike-gaza-hospital/

Thats 2 articles on the same incident.

And to be fair, I don't think there is any way the Gaza Health Ministry would own/blame a Hamas error or otherwise killing Palestinians in Gaza.  Also, if I'm not mistaken, Gaza Health Ministry is actually be controlled by the government of Gaza, aka Hamas.  This is different than the Ministry of Health which oversees all of Palestine.

[Pakuni]

  when did you join hamas?


Israel said the hospital is not a target-it was a failed missile fired off by hamas from the hospital-classic-hamas will sacrafice(read, kill) it's own in order to TRY to gain sympathy

As of five days ago, the IDF already had dropped 6,000 bombs on Gaza (source: IDF). Figure thousands of more by now.
But when civilians die, it's because of Hamas rocket misfires.
That seems convenient.

[4everwarriors]

Wut?
76% of South Africa was Black in 1990. Therefore, it wasn't an apartheid state. By definition.


False.
https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/the-arab-world-is-re-embracing-its-jews/21807243

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/diaspora-affairs/1691918153-the-first-rabbi-of-saudi-arabia-building-bridges-as-family-with-mutual-history

Arabs in Israel are not segregated and are not deprived of political and civil rights, hey?

[4everwarriors]

As of five days ago, the IDF already had dropped 6,000 bombs on Gaza (source: IDF). Figure thousands of more by now.
But when civilians die, it's because of Hamas rocket misfires.
That seems convenient.

Dude, this is war. Israel told the inhabitants of Gaza to leave. Yes, chit happens in war, hey?

[Pakuni]

Thats 2 articles on the same incident.

And to be fair, I don't think there is any way the Gaza Health Ministry would own/blame a Hamas error or otherwise killing Palestinians in Gaza.  Also, if I'm not mistaken, Gaza Health Ministry is actually be controlled by the government of Gaza, aka Hamas.  This is different than the Ministry of Health which oversees all of Palestine.

Sure.
And to be fair, I don't there is any way the IDF would own up to blowing up a hospital.

[rocket surgeon]

As of five days ago, the IDF already had dropped 6,000 bombs on Gaza (source: IDF). Figure thousands of more by now.
But when civilians die, it's because of Hamas rocket misfires.
That seems convenient.

We still talking about the hospital bombing that happened today, right?  Convenient?  You giving Hamas any benefit of the doubt???  Yeah, I suppose since everything they do is evil, they're bound to do ONE decent thing??by accident maybe what part of bad people don't you understand?   

[MU82]

The leaders of Hamas have not protected their own people. Actually, it goes beyond that - they knowingly and unapologetically put their own people, including hundreds of thousands of innocent children under their watch, in grave danger.

They knew exactly how Israel would respond after they launched their attack last week, kidnapped people, and live-streamed executions of Israeli children. The cowards hide their weapons in hospitals and schools, hide their soldiers among civilians, dare the Israelis to risk the wrath of much of the outside world.

By their actions, Hamas leaders basically are saying, "We have absolutely no intention to protect our own children, so now it's up to Israel to protect our children - even as we gladly kill their children."

I know it's difficult for people to put themselves in others' shoes, and I know that some very smart and empathetic folks do not approve of some of Israel's actions over the past many decades. But those highly critical of Israel's actions right now - not past policy, but what's going on right now - might want to try to try Israeli shoes on today.

What would you expect from American leaders if we were attacked, your own children were put in harm's way, and our very existence as a people were threatened?

I am a pacifist, and I'm hardly an apologist for Israel. But Israel's gotta do what Israel's gotta do to protect its own people. Innocents will die, they always do in war. But it's hard for me to blame Israel for saying, "Better their innocents than our innocents."

[4everwarriors]

Bravo Nads! Hopefully some here with John Lennon's "Imagine" swirling in their heads will start to see the light, aina?

[Uncle Rico]

  so there you have it...seriously??  politifart?  that's like me trying to quote fox news to prove my points to you guys

4.5 out of 10

[Uncle Rico]

  when did you join hamas?


Israel said the hospital is not a target-it was a failed missile fired off by hamas from the hospital-classic-hamas will sacrafice(read, kill) it's own in order to TRY to gain sympathy

3 out of 10

[lawdog77]

Sure.
And to be fair, I don't there is any way the IDF would own up to blowing up a hospital.

So, seems like you are siding with Hamas on this event.

[JWags85]

Sure.
And to be fair, I don't there is any way the IDF would own up to blowing up a hospital.

Thats fine.  But throwing skepticism at the IDF statements (which is warranted), while taking Gaza Health Ministry statements or reports (about this or other incidents) as fact is just selective confirmation of competing PR departments.