Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[Hards Alumni]

The level of antisemitism we are seeing, despite my take days ago that this was happening all over college campuses and everywhere in the world, is truly sickening.  Listen to the chants.  And it's going to get far worse when Israel does what it has to do to defend herself. A lot of you need to wake the F up and get your heads out of your asses.  Because if you think this kind terror cannot happen here you're sorely mistaken.  CLOSE THE BORDER IMMEDIATELY! 

I stand by 🇮🇱,  my Jewish friends, and those of you that are not are delusional and living in la-la-land.  Collateral damage, which will happen in Gaza, isn't remotely the same thing as that disgusting massacre last Saturday.

The collateral damage (aka state sanctioned murder, aka war crimes) have killed more than the original attacks.  And Israel is just getting started.

Turn off your TV.  It's going to make you crazier... and you're already unhinged.

[#UnleashSean]

You were complaining about first world countries so I kept it to those?

I think you may have misunderstood.


Our resident Trumper complained that America's borders were to open. One of our resident libbys said that the borders were very much not open.

I then stated that compared to other first world countries (I think this is where you got confused) America is actually very open for immigrants.

[21Jumpstreet]

I asked you before to provide examples of the protests at US universities that were siding with Hamas. You never answered. I have been unable to find them. Can you provide some examples?

I did see that our friends to the west had some students protesting and saying things like liberate the land "by any means necessary" and "glory to the martyrs" and I also read "glory to the murders." Pretty sickening even if they didn't outright say "we love Hamas." I wasn't there, so, yes, I got this info online and it could be untrue or partially true.

[lawdog77]

I asked you before to provide examples of the protests at US universities that were siding with Hamas. You never answered. I have been unable to find them. Can you provide some examples?

From Reuters:
Tensions sparked anew at campuses on Thursday as the national group Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) declared a "day of resistance," with demonstrations by its 200 chapters at colleges across North America.

The national group, which advocates for an independent Palestine and says on its website that it promotes "an agenda grounded in freedom, solidarity, equality, safety and historical justice," called the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas "a historic win for the Palestinian resistance."

[Hards Alumni]

From Reuters:
Tensions sparked anew at campuses on Thursday as the national group Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) declared a "day of resistance," with demonstrations by its 200 chapters at colleges across North America.

The national group, which advocates for an independent Palestine and says on its website that it promotes "an agenda grounded in freedom, solidarity, equality, safety and historical justice," called the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas "a historic win for the Palestinian resistance."

That's gross.

[JWags85]

From Reuters:
Tensions sparked anew at campuses on Thursday as the national group Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) declared a "day of resistance," with demonstrations by its 200 chapters at colleges across North America.

The national group, which advocates for an independent Palestine and says on its website that it promotes "an agenda grounded in freedom, solidarity, equality, safety and historical justice," called the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas "a historic win for the Palestinian resistance."

SJP is using fliers showing a paraglider.  Which is f-ing gross.  I know of them using it at UNC and U of Washington.

[Galway Eagle]

I think you may have misunderstood.


Our resident Trumper complained that America's borders were to open. One of our resident libbys said that the borders were very much not open.

I then stated that compared to other first world countries (I think this is where you got confused) America is actually very open for immigrants.

But you only mean open to third world countries yes? I got confused when you said how hard it was to move to Germany etc.

[21Jumpstreet]

So, question, and I'm sure I will be eviscerated, but that's part of growing. I just heard Herzog say something like the Palestinians can leave, they can step up and defeat Hamas if they want to. Obviously Hamas is a terrorist organization. Obviously all Palestinians are not Hamas.

Why wouldn't Israel arm the Palestinians to overthrow Hamas, or at the very least allow for movement of people and supplies to do so? I assume I will get the you're an idiot, you're naive, wake the F up, you're an antisemite, and I do realize that the current Israeli government maybe isn't interested in a Palestine free state and probably assumes (and I can see why) that it would essentially be arming the enemy. If Israel wants to wipe Hamas off the map, why not enlist the help of Palestinians who feel the same?

[Uncle Rico]

So, question, and I'm sure I will be eviscerated, but that's part of growing. I just heard Herzog say something like the Palestinians can leave, they can step up and defeat Hamas if they want to. Obviously Hamas is a terrorist organization. Obviously all Palestinians are not Hamas.

Why wouldn't Israel arm the Palestinians to overthrow Hamas, or at the very least allow for movement of people and supplies to do so? I assume I will get the you're an idiot, you're naive, wake the F up, you're an antisemite, and I do realize that the current Israeli government maybe isn't interested in a Palestine free state and probably assumes (and I can see why) that it would essentially be arming the enemy. If Israel wants to wipe Hamas off the map, why not enlist the help of Palestinians who feel the same?

I think you answered your question.  I'm not sure the average Palestinian is equipped to handle that task as well.  They're effed.  Rock and hard place. 

[Hards Alumni]

So, question, and I'm sure I will be eviscerated, but that's part of growing. I just heard Herzog say something like the Palestinians can leave, they can step up and defeat Hamas if they want to. Obviously Hamas is a terrorist organization. Obviously all Palestinians are not Hamas.

Why wouldn't Israel arm the Palestinians to overthrow Hamas, or at the very least allow for movement of people and supplies to do so? I assume I will get the you're an idiot, you're naive, wake the F up, you're an antisemite, and I do realize that the current Israeli government maybe isn't interested in a Palestine free state and probably assumes (and I can see why) that it would essentially be arming the enemy. If Israel wants to wipe Hamas off the map, why not enlist the help of Palestinians who feel the same?

I don't know this, but I'm guessing Hamas doesn't wear typical military uniforms.  Arming Palestinians who can't be verified as civilians and not Hamas might be difficult to know.  And they're not trained.  I dunno.  Seems like a bad idea.

[21Jumpstreet]

I don't know this, but I'm guessing Hamas doesn't wear typical military uniforms.  Arming Palestinians who can't be verified as civilians and not Hamas might be difficult to know.  And they're not trained.  I dunno.  Seems like a bad idea.

All likely true, you and Rico. I'm certainly not advocating for it nor stating an opinion, and it has been done for years all over the globe. I certainly don't want any more bloodshed, naive I know.

[Uncle Rico]

All likely true, you and Rico. I'm certainly not advocating for it nor stating an opinion, and it has been done for years all over the globe. I certainly don't want any more bloodshed, naive I know.

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No one has had the answer to stop the bloodshed in the Middle East for a couple of millenniums.  We certainly don't

[lawdog77]

All likely true, you and Rico. I'm certainly not advocating for it nor stating an opinion, and it has been done for years all over the globe. I certainly don't want any more bloodshed, naive I know.

I understand your intent Mr. North.  There are no easy answers here.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

From Reuters:
Tensions sparked anew at campuses on Thursday as the national group Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) declared a "day of resistance," with demonstrations by its 200 chapters at colleges across North America.

The national group, which advocates for an independent Palestine and says on its website that it promotes "an agenda grounded in freedom, solidarity, equality, safety and historical justice," called the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas "a historic win for the Palestinian resistance."

Yep, that is Fing disgusting. I looked on Wednesday and hadn't seen anything. It is also free speech. Sickening, gross, anti-Semitic free speech.

[21Jumpstreet]

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No one has had the answer to stop the bloodshed in the Middle East for a couple of millenniums.  We certainly don't

Likely the only statement in this thread we should all be able to agree on.

[The Sultan]

As I said...complete overreaction. And now the consequences are playing out. I'm sure Heisey is happy though.

https://forward.com/opinion/564873/harvard-jewish-palestinian-doxxing/

As a Jewish student at Harvard College, I'm witnessing first-hand the culture war that has broken out on campus after the Palestine Solidarity Committee and other student groups published a statement on the horrific Hamas terrorist attacks in Israel, in which they held "the Israeli regime entirely responsible for all unfolding violence."

I was shocked and appalled that the PSC statement failed to condemn Hamas' slaughter of 1,300 Israelis, most of whom were civilians. But even though I strongly disagree with the PSC statement, I still believe that all students have the rights to freedom of speech and — more importantly — to feel safe on campus. In recent days, powerful right-wing figures and organizations (led by hedge fund billionaire Bill Ackman and the ironically-named Accuracy in Media newsgroup) have whipped up a hateful mob against hundreds of Harvard students in a series of vicious doxxing attacks.

On Oct. 10, Ackman (who has 850,000 followers on Twitter) tweeted that Harvard should "release a list of the members of each of the Harvard organizations that have issued the letter... so as to insure that none of us inadvertently hire any of their members." This was a clear dog whistle to Ackman's followers to dox and harass the students. On cue, immediately after Ackman's tweet multiple right-wing websites launched a doxxing campaign, posting the names and personal information of students allegedly associated with organizations that signed the PSC statement.

Some of the students listed online as members of these organizations have never even attended a club meeting, much less personally endorsed this statement. A friend of mine is in this exact predicament and is scared that they will have trouble getting hired after being doxxed, despite having nothing to do with the statement.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

The level of antisemitism we are seeing, despite my take days ago that this was happening all over college campuses and everywhere in the world, is truly sickening.  Listen to the chants.  And it's going to get far worse when Israel does what it has to do to defend herself. A lot of you need to wake the F up and get your heads out of your asses.  Because if you think this kind terror cannot happen here you're sorely mistaken.  CLOSE THE BORDER IMMEDIATELY! 

I stand by 🇮🇱,  my Jewish friends, and those of you that are not are delusional and living in la-la-land.  Collateral damage, which will happen in Gaza, isn't remotely the same thing as that disgusting massacre last Saturday.

At least no one can say that you aren't a consistent unhinged bloodthirsty fool.

So you have that going for you.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

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No one has had the answer to stop the bloodshed in the Middle East for a couple of millenniums.  We certainly don't

Muggsy does. The answer to stopping the bloodshed is unrelenting bloodshed. Easy peasy.

[JWags85]

I don't know this, but I'm guessing Hamas doesn't wear typical military uniforms.  Arming Palestinians who can't be verified as civilians and not Hamas might be difficult to know.  And they're not trained.  I dunno.  Seems like a bad idea.

Not to mention the gradient of sentiment amongst Palestinians.  I mentioned before, but I thought Fauda did an awesome job of showing this.

You can have a family of Palestinians who want freedom (or whatever you deem the basic, non-Jew extermination goal is) who don't approve of Hamas and don't want to harm any Jews to do it.  But their friends/neighbors/extended family may very well be more "whatever must be done to rise up", or even fully on board with what Hamas is doing.

So while they may want to rise up against Hamas and that Hamas is truly the ones killing the Palestinian people from within...doing so might very well mean taking up arms against their family or peers.

That's the really insidious part of this.  Casting aside what happened in 2006, I t's unfair and completely wrong to paint all Palestinians as murderous thugs or Hamas supporters.  But this isn't like a mafia crime family ruling a city with an iron fist.  It's a terrorist organization who is masterful at manipulating a desperate people and creating division among friends and family and neighbors.  It's so truly and utterly F-ed up.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

You're spot on Wags

[rocket surgeon]

As I said...complete overreaction. And now the consequences are playing out. I'm sure Heisey is happy though.

https://forward.com/opinion/564873/harvard-jewish-palestinian-doxxing/

As a Jewish student at Harvard College, I'm witnessing first-hand the culture war that has broken out on campus after the Palestine Solidarity Committee and other student groups published a statement on the horrific Hamas terrorist attacks in Israel, in which they held "the Israeli regime entirely responsible for all unfolding violence."

I was shocked and appalled that the PSC statement failed to condemn Hamas' slaughter of 1,300 Israelis, most of whom were civilians. But even though I strongly disagree with the PSC statement, I still believe that all students have the rights to freedom of speech and — more importantly — to feel safe on campus. In recent days, powerful right-wing figures and organizations (led by hedge fund billionaire Bill Ackman and the ironically-named Accuracy in Media newsgroup) have whipped up a hateful mob against hundreds of Harvard students in a series of vicious doxxing attacks.

On Oct. 10, Ackman (who has 850,000 followers on Twitter) tweeted that Harvard should "release a list of the members of each of the Harvard organizations that have issued the letter... so as to insure that none of us inadvertently hire any of their members." This was a clear dog whistle to Ackman's followers to dox and harass the students. On cue, immediately after Ackman's tweet multiple right-wing websites launched a doxxing campaign, posting the names and personal information of students allegedly associated with organizations that signed the PSC statement.

Some of the students listed online as members of these organizations have never even attended a club meeting, much less personally endorsed this statement. A friend of mine is in this exact predicament and is scared that they will have trouble getting hired after being doxxed, despite having nothing to do with the statement.

  in other words, they hate when their own tactics are used against them..  no one saying they do not have the freedom to say or believe the things they do or say, but with free speech, there may or may not be consequences, good or bad. 

[The Sultan]

  in other words, they hate when their own tactics are used against them..  no one saying they do not have the freedom to say or believe the things they do or say, but with free speech, there may or may not be consequences, good or bad. 

Ah. Someone didn't read what was quoted. Good to know.

[forgetful]

A peaceful solution??  A terrorist group slaughters 1200+ Israelis,, 27 Americans, Europeans, has150 hostages, and your solution is "peace'?  This is fking asinine.  Do you understand that Hamas' sole purpose is to murder Jews and for every one of them to leave the State of Israel?  It's literally in their charter.

Have you read their 2017 Charter? Hamas is evil, their terrorist actions repugnant, their actions define this, so you don't need to make stuff up about their charter.

[Hards Alumni]

Have you read their 2017 Charter? Hamas is evil, their terrorist actions repugnant, their actions define this, so you don't need to make stuff up about their charter.

I didn't want to say it too, but yeah they changed their charter a few years back.

[The Lens]

NM.