Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[Uncle Rico]

We should also note that those that don't want to send troops or commit unlawful international actions don't mean not supporting Israel or their response. 

Hamas f'ed around and are finding out.  No sympathy from me for whatever the results are.  Israel has every right to protect itself and retaliate in whatever way they choose.  The human cost will be immense and the long term effects likely catastrophic.  This was initiated in a cowardly terrorist attack and the blame for the response lies solely with the perpetrators.

America will and has supported Israel for 75 plus years through military and financial support and will continue to do so. That's not including any efforts to broker peace across all administrations and certain intelligence cooperation.

https://sgp.fas.org/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf

If it makes those who oppose direct intervention militarily antisemitic, I guess we're antisemitic

[Pakuni]

We should also note that those that don't want to send troops or commit unlawful international actions don't mean not supporting Israel or their response. 

Hamas f'ed around and are finding out.  No sympathy from me for whatever the results are.  Israel has every right to protect itself and retaliate in whatever way they choose.  The human cost will be immense and the long term effects likely catastrophic.  This was initiated in a cowardly terrorist attack and the blame for the response lies solely with the perpetrators.

America will and has supported Israel for 75 plus years through military and financial support and will continue to do so. That's not including any efforts to broker peace across all administrations and certain intelligence cooperation.

https://sgp.fas.org/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf

If it makes those who oppose direct intervention militarily antisemitic, I guess we're antisemitic

[MUBurrow]

And now this is going on.

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1711715491767558326?

Both NATO members, but based on this map, EDIT - there appears to be a space where an could be in  between the territorial boundaries of either country?
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-Baltic-Sea-and-location-of-its-sub-basins-The-blue-line-shows-the-border-of_fig2_351967212

[lawdog77]

Yes, and add the fact that as far as we know, Israel hasnt asked for our military help.

[LloydsLegs]

We should also note that those that don't want to send troops or commit unlawful international actions don't mean not supporting Israel or their response. 

Hamas f'ed around and are finding out.  No sympathy from me for whatever the results are.  Israel has every right to protect itself and retaliate in whatever way they choose.  The human cost will be immense and the long term effects likely catastrophic.  This was initiated in a cowardly terrorist attack and the blame for the response lies solely with the perpetrators.

America will and has supported Israel for 75 plus years through military and financial support and will continue to do so. That's not including any efforts to broker peace across all administrations and certain intelligence cooperation.

https://sgp.fas.org/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf

If it makes those who oppose direct intervention militarily antisemitic, I guess we're antisemitic

100%.  And it is beyond idiotic to suggest going to was against Iran.  Do you (Mugsy) have any clue as to the price we will pay for THAT unwinnable war?

[MU82]

And now this is going on.

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1711715491767558326?

Doesn't matter. Putin's not that bad, Tucker and his sheep tell us.

Don't let their antisemitism override the truth, hey?

You voted twice for somebody who has been supporting antisemitism his entire adult life - including, unfortunately, his time as president of the United States. And, despite saying you'd never support antisemitism, you'll vote for him again.

Given how strongly you claim to support Judaism - not just Israel, but Judaism right here in America and around the entire world - that's pretty damn disappointing, Doc.

But hey, if you think I'm an antisemite because, based on the information we have today, I don't want the United States to go to war with Iran, I can live with you thinking that. I mean, I guess I hate my own brother and the rest of my family, right?

[Uncle Rico]

Yes, and add the fact that as far as we know, Israel hasnt asked for our military help.

And I'd be surprised if they did barring a multinational attack.  Will they ask for more financial assistance or weapons?  Probably and like with Ukraine, we should support those requests to the best of our capabilities.

[4everwarriors]

You know as well as anyone that there will never be peace in the Middle East as long as the Palestinians will sacrifice their own children to push Israel into the sea.
As for Trump, according to you he apparently had nothing to do with the Abraham Accords and moving the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem. Oh, and he must hate his son-in-law and daughter, who has converted to Judaism. He also is one of the top gentile donors to Israel and will be the main speaker at the RJC meeting in Las Vegas later this month.
As for me, I am on record in support of another candidate for president. However, should Trump be the nominee, I will vote for him, in preference to the Buffoon, hey?

[MU82]

You know as well as anyone that there will never be peace in the Middle East as long as the Palestinians will sacrifice their own children to push Israel into the sea.
As for Trump, according to you he apparently had nothing to do with the Abraham Accords and moving the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem. Oh, and he must hate his son-in-law and daughter, who has converted to Judaism. He also is one of the top gentile donors to Israel and will be the main speaker at the RJC meeting in Las Vegas later this month.
As for me, I am on record in support of another candidate for president. However, should Trump be the nominee, I will vote for him, in preference to the Buffoon, hey?

Thanks for confirming that you will gladly support a guy who has welcomed Jew-haters to his dinner table, a guy who has deferred to Jew-haters around the globe, a guy who lumped Jew-haters in with "very fine people," a guy who has accepted support (including violence on his behalf) from Jew-hating groups and individuals, a guy who is considering Ms. Jewish Space Laser as his running mate, etc etc etc.

[Pakuni]

Thanks for confirming that you will gladly support a guy who has welcomed Jew-haters to his dinner table, a guy who has deferred to Jew-haters around the globe, a guy who lumped Jew-haters in with "very fine people," a guy who has accepted support (including violence on his behalf) from Jew-hating groups and individuals, a guy who is considering Ms. Jewish Space Laser as his running mate, etc etc etc.

I think you're both missing the point a little. Trump isn't pro-Israel or antisemitic. He's only and always pro-Trump. If he thinks dining with a noted antisemite, shouting out the Proud Boys and calling neo-Nazis fine people helps him, he'll do it. And if he thinks espousing pro-Israel policies and moving an embassy helps him, he'll do it.
He gives zero f*cks about either side. He has no beliefs other than the belief that he should say and do whatever it takes to enhance his own power and wealth.

[4everwarriors]

How does that, should it be true, differentiate him from other politicians, the current potus included, hey?

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

You know as well as anyone that there will never be peace in the Middle East as long as the Palestinians will sacrifice their own children to push Israel into the sea.

Using "Palestinians" in regards to "pushing into the sea" vs. Hamas kinda gives away your game, and also kind of purely ignores the reality of the last couple decades.

You know its a tenable position to be against the disgusting atrocities committed by Hamas while simultaneously acknowledging the reality of the policies that got this region into this horrible situation right?

[forgetful]

I don't think some understand many aspects of the cycle of violence.

Hamas' attack and actions were abhorrent. But there likely wasn't a person taking part in that attack that didn't lose a loved one (women, children, civilians) in Israeli attacks on Gaza/West Bank. That by no means justifies it, but it does provide context into why someone would commit such horrific actions.

Israel will/is fighting back. And it is their right to do so. But as a result, numerous women, children, and innocent civilians are dying again. For each of them that dies in these bombings, 2-3 more future terrorists are being created. Which means no matter how much they cripple Hamas, the actions in doing so will create future attacks, and deaths.

[Uncle Rico]

I think you're both missing the point a little. Trump isn't pro-Israel or antisemitic. He's only and always pro-Trump. If he thinks dining with a noted antisemite, shouting out the Proud Boys and calling neo-Nazis fine people helps him, he'll do it. And if he thinks espousing pro-Israel policies and moving an embassy helps him, he'll do it.
He gives zero f*cks about either side. He has no beliefs other than the belief that he should say and do whatever it takes to enhance his own power and wealth.

Correct.  He's a kleptocrat that will sell out either side depending what is in it for him personally. His son-in-laws religion is irrelevant to him. 

He'd sell out Israel as fast as he could if it benefited him.  Anyone that thinks otherwise is the real buffoon

[4everwarriors]

Disagree entirely. In fact, the Palestinians refer to Israel as Palestine and have, since 1948, refused to acknowledge the sovereign State, hey?

[4everwarriors]

Correct.  He's a kleptocrat that will sell out either side depending what is in it for him personally. His son-in-laws religion is irrelevant to him. 

He'd sell out Israel as fast as he could if it benefited him.  Anyone that thinks otherwise is the real buffoon

Again, how does that differentiate him from today's mainstream politician, including BOTUS, hey?

[MU82]

I think you're both missing the point a little. Trump isn't pro-Israel or antisemitic. He's only and always pro-Trump. If he thinks dining with a noted antisemite, shouting out the Proud Boys and calling neo-Nazis fine people helps him, he'll do it. And if he thinks espousing pro-Israel policies and moving an embassy helps him, he'll do it.
He gives zero f*cks about either side. He has no beliefs other than the belief that he should say and do whatever it takes to enhance his own power and wealth.

That's reasonable, Pak. As I said, he has gladly accepted support from raging antisemites - over and over and over again. The only religion that has ever mattered to him is the Cult of Trump.

Meanwhile, Doc said he would never vote for somebody who supports antisemitism ... but he already has done so twice and he now admits he will gladly do so again.

This:

He's a kleptocrat that will sell out either side depending what is in it for him personally. His son-in-laws religion is irrelevant to him. 

He'd sell out Israel as fast as he could if it benefited him.  Anyone that thinks otherwise is the real buffoon

[Uncle Rico]

Again, how does that differentiate him from today's mainstream politician, including BOTUS, hey?

If you can't see the difference, that's on you and generally reflects why an entire political party is being held hostage by a single man.  That's not strength, that's weakness

[4everwarriors]

82, where we disagree here, is I don't believe Trump is antisemitic, hey?

[Galway Eagle]

82, where we disagree here, is I don't believe Trump is antisemitic, hey?

Would you say giving credence to those who vocally support antisemitism is antisemitic?

[shoothoops]

You know as well as anyone that there will never be peace in the Middle East as long as the Palestinians will sacrifice their own children to push Israel into the sea.
As for Trump, according to you he apparently had nothing to do with the Abraham Accords and moving the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem. Oh, and he must hate his son-in-law and daughter, who has converted to Judaism. He also is one of the top gentile donors to Israel and will be the main speaker at the RJC meeting in Las Vegas later this month.
As for me, I am on record in support of another candidate for president. However, should Trump be the nominee, I will vote for him, in preference to the Buffoon, hey?

List all of the DT accomplishments while in office.

[Pakuni]

How does that, should it be true, differentiate him from other politicians, the current potus included, hey?

I've never seen another president in my lifetime play footsie with white supremacist organizations, suck up to Russian tyrants or praise communist dictators.
How about you?

[forgetful]

Disagree entirely. In fact, the Palestinians refer to Israel as Palestine and have, since 1948, refused to acknowledge the sovereign State, hey?

My guess is you know very little about the history of Israel and Palestine.

[StillAWarrior]

[4everwarriors]

My guess is you know very little about the history of Israel and Palestine.

Wrong guess, try again, hey?