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forgetful

#275
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 09, 2023, 04:20:47 PM
This is fking absurd.

A direct attack on Iran would mean that Israel gets wiped off the map. Israel is not a very large country.

Hezbollah has 150,000 guided missiles. Israel doesn't have enough missiles for the Iron dome to stop that. And don't forget the missiles Iran would be firing.

A direct and serious attack on Iran would mean that Hezbollah and Iran launch everything they have to level Israel.

Israel attacking Iran, or us attacking Iran is a losing proposition for everyone.

I'm just hoping the Hezbollah does not seriously enter the fray.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 09, 2023, 06:16:40 PM
We'll rest assured that at least we now have someone in office who's "forte" or specialty was foreign affairs, going to bring peace and "sensibility", decency, unity to the world and previous guy was such a threat to world? 

So yup, we're in good hands where ever he is

The last guy supported the colossal failure Netanyahu is who just saw his country attacked because he's too busy trying to strengthen his power by undermining all levels of Israel government to protect himself from jail for corruption. 
Guster is for Lovers

Jockey

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 09, 2023, 06:21:43 PM
The last guy supported the colossal failure Netanyahu is who just saw his country attacked because he's too busy trying to strengthen his power by undermining all levels of Israel government to protect himself from jail for corruption.

Luckily that doesn't matter. Jared fixed the Mideast for only $2bil.

MuggsyB

Quote from: dgies9156 on October 09, 2023, 06:02:44 PM
Sorry, but if they execute a United States citizen, they deserve it.

If they do, I hope we level the place.

Brother dgies,

This is an extremely difficult war for Israel, especially if Hezbollah gets involved in the North.  As far as the hostages I'm afraid freeing them is going to be inordinately difficult.  If Hezbollah gets involved I think the US has to help.  We are already seeing that Israel will be blamed for responding at all, let alone using unrelenting force which will obviously lead to civilian casualties. 

As far as Iran is concerned the fact is they are making money hand over fist in their oil revenues because we have not enforced sanctions.  The 6B in ransom money isn't particularly relevant to their overall revenues used solely for terror and death. 

Appeasement is the absolute worst solution to dealing with a regime like Iran and their terrorist proxies.  I know some don't want to hear this but the right decision is to immediately cripple them economically, seize their oil fields, and obliterate their nuclear facilities.  I would also, in concert with Israel, use a Delta Force to introduce Iranian leadership to darkness in due time.   

In fact Im not against annexing the country and telling the other Arab states to go fk themselves.  The idea that they care one iota about Palestinians is an absolute joke. They unfortunately are pawns.  This is not just a battle between Israel and Hamas/Iran and other Islamic terrorists, it's a battle between the West and Islamic Terrorism.  Within a month, if I was in charge, we would control all oil refineries in Iran and completely eliminate their evil partners. 

rocket surgeon

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 09, 2023, 06:21:43 PM
The last guy supported the colossal failure Netanyahu is who just saw his country attacked because he's too busy trying to strengthen his power by undermining all levels of Israel government to protect himself from jail for corruption.

Is that why this happened?  Shoot, haven't seen that written anywhere except maybe mother jones and messnbc.  We'll screw em then...at least the white supremacists and MAGA peeps are under control- those are the worst
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

Uncle Rico

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 09, 2023, 06:24:35 PM
Brother dgies,

This is an extremely difficult war for Israel, especially if Hezbollah gets involved in the North.  As far as the hostages I'm afraid freeing them is going to be inordinately difficult.  If Hezbollah gets involved I think the US has to help.  We are already seeing that Israel will be blamed for responding at all, let alone using unrelenting force which will obviously lead to civilian casualties. 

As far as Iran is concerned the fact is they are making money hand over fist in their oil revenues because we have not enforced sanctions.  The 6B in ransom money isn't particularly relevant to their overall revenues used solely for terror and death. 

Appeasement is the absolute worst solution to dealing with a regime like Iran and their terrorist proxies.  I know some don't want to hear this but the right decision is to immediately cripple them economically, seize their oil fields, and obliterate their nuclear facilities.  I would also, in concert with Israel, use a Delta Force to introduce Iranian leadership to darkness in due time.   

In fact Im not against annexing the country and telling the other Arab states to go fk themselves.  The idea that they care one iota about Palestinians is an absolute joke. They unfortunately are pawns.  This is not just a battle between Israel and Hamas/Iran and other Islamic terrorists, it's a battle between the West and Islamic Terrorism.  Within a month, if I was in charge, we would control all oil refineries in Iran and completely eliminate their evil partners.

Then you can spend the next 20 years meeting parents of dead soldiers at airports and visit the hospitals where severely injured soldiers are
Guster is for Lovers

Uncle Rico

Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 09, 2023, 06:28:13 PM
Is that why this happened?  Shoot, haven't seen that written anywhere except maybe mother jones and messnbc.  We'll screw em then...at least the white supremacists and MAGA peeps are under control- those are the worst

It didn't happen because of the current president or the former president.  You'd have to be colossally stupid to blame either of them but certain people in this country embrace stupidity.
Guster is for Lovers

MuggsyB

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 09, 2023, 06:29:31 PM
Then you can spend the next 20 years meeting parents of dead soldiers at airports and visit the hospitals where severely injured soldiers are


It's very sad that we have evil people on our planet and evil people that control certain countries and their citizens.  War is ugly, doing essentially nothing in this situation is uglier.  If Hezbollah gets involved the USA will have to act and help our friends.  Now I get I'm more hawkish than the average person but these disgusting scumbags simply cannot be permitted to operate again nor exist on this planet. 

Dickthedribbler

How much of the U.S. artillery worth tens of millions of dollars, abandoned and left behind in Afghanistan by Biden, has found its way into the hands of Hamas?

MuggsyB

Quote from: Dickthedribbler on October 09, 2023, 06:43:48 PM
How much of the U.S. artillery worth tens of millions of dollars, abandoned and left behind in Afghanistan by Biden, has found its way into the hands of Hamas?

That's an interesting question.  I would imagine the Taliban has just kept all of it, to subjugate their own citizens and eliminate all freedoms of Afghan girls/women, but perhaps we can find out more information. 

rocket surgeon

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 09, 2023, 06:30:51 PM
It didn't happen because of the current president or the former president.  You'd have to be colossally stupid to blame either of them but certain people in this country embrace stupidity.


Gee reeko,  you got blinkens number?  He may need a little help from you smart people who probably put the doofus in chief in office.  That was really smart what ya got up next?  Mickey o?

blinken says Iran may not be involved so maybe they should refocus on those nasty boisterous parents at the school board meetings. Seeing as how there haven't been many school board meeting lately to exercise their terror, word is they headed for Israel to keep their game on
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

Uncle Rico

Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 09, 2023, 06:48:10 PM

Gee reeko,  you got blinkens number?  He may need a little help from you smart people who probably put the doofus in chief in office.  That was really smart what ya got up next?  Mickey o?

blinken says Iran may not be involved so maybe they should refocus on those nasty boisterous parents at the school board meetings. Seeing as how there haven't been many school board meeting lately to exercise their terror, word is they headed for Israel to keep their game on

I'm not surprised you don't understand history, much less the Middle East and think it's as simple as who is in the White House.  That's ok.  You're a perfect example of why it's time for boomers to move off the scene.  It's your generation that is the first to leave the world in a worse place than the previous.
Guster is for Lovers

Uncle Rico

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 09, 2023, 06:47:43 PM
That's an interesting question.  I would imagine the Taliban has just kept all of it, to subjugate their own citizens and eliminate all freedoms of Afghan girls/women, but perhaps we can find out more information.

America gave something like $7 (not $21) billion in arms to support Afghanistan democracy.  The cost in lives to Americans and non-Americans wiping evil off the face of the earth in Afghanistan was worth it though.  The results speak for themselves
Guster is for Lovers

Pakuni

I went away for awhile and this thread turned into a bunch of revenge fantasies.
And I say fantasies, because that's what they are. Fortunately.

Pakuni

Quote from: Dickthedribbler on October 09, 2023, 06:43:48 PM
How much of the U.S. artillery worth tens of millions of dollars, abandoned and left behind in Afghanistan by Biden, has found its way into the hands of Hamas?

Who cut that deal with the Taliban, Dickie?

Not all scoop users are created equal apparently

Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 09, 2023, 06:48:10 PM

Gee reeko,  you got blinkens number?  He may need a little help from you smart people who probably put the doofus in chief in office.  That was really smart what ya got up next?  Mickey o?

blinken says Iran may not be involved so maybe they should refocus on those nasty boisterous parents at the school board meetings. Seeing as how there haven't been many school board meeting lately to exercise their terror, word is they headed for Israel to keep their game on

Israel's defense forces themselves say there is no evidence or proof yet of Iranian involvement.
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dgies9156

#291
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 09, 2023, 06:29:31 PM
Then you can spend the next 20 years meeting parents of dead soldiers at airports and visit the hospitals where severely injured soldiers are

The first job of a government, any government, is to protect its people.

If you can't do that, then you have no business existing.

We're Americans. We take care of each other.




Skatastrophy

It's wild how right wing conspiracy theories filter into every political thread.

JWags85

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 09, 2023, 06:24:35 PM
Brother dgies,

This is an extremely difficult war for Israel, especially if Hezbollah gets involved in the North.  As far as the hostages I'm afraid freeing them is going to be inordinately difficult.  If Hezbollah gets involved I think the US has to help.  We are already seeing that Israel will be blamed for responding at all, let alone using unrelenting force which will obviously lead to civilian casualties. 

As far as Iran is concerned the fact is they are making money hand over fist in their oil revenues because we have not enforced sanctions.  The 6B in ransom money isn't particularly relevant to their overall revenues used solely for terror and death. 

Appeasement is the absolute worst solution to dealing with a regime like Iran and their terrorist proxies.  I know some don't want to hear this but the right decision is to immediately cripple them economically, seize their oil fields, and obliterate their nuclear facilities.  I would also, in concert with Israel, use a Delta Force to introduce Iranian leadership to darkness in due time.   

In fact Im not against annexing the country and telling the other Arab states to go fk themselves.  The idea that they care one iota about Palestinians is an absolute joke. They unfortunately are pawns.  This is not just a battle between Israel and Hamas/Iran and other Islamic terrorists, it's a battle between the West and Islamic Terrorism.  Within a month, if I was in charge, we would control all oil refineries in Iran and completely eliminate their evil partners.

Muggsy, I know you're an excitable guy and this situation has clearly touched you emotionally, but might be a good time to take a beat and quite posting, cause this is unhinged.

The US has not been attacked, not declared war upon by anyone, and Iran has not directly engaged in any warfare, but yet you propose the US taking over their country, seizing their resources, and killing the leaders of a sovereign nation without provocation (while using the silly "introduce them to darkness" nonsense reserved for hypothetical boxing matchups or animal fights).  And further proposing it in some fantastical Call of Duty plot level mission.

And to top it off, you think you could dispose the Iranian government and control their oil fields in A MONTH?! Did you confuse Iran with Kuwait or Azerbaijan?

Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on October 09, 2023, 07:24:51 PM
Israel's defense forces themselves say there is no evidence or proof yet of Iranian involvement.

They could have crates of rockets that say Property of Iran and a note that says "To Hamas.  With love, Iran" and they wouldn't speak to Iranian involvement at this time. They have a direct and immediate conflict with Hamas on their doorstep to address.  Inciting or inviting Iran to get involved with a statement like that isn't remotely smart or savvy

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 09, 2023, 06:47:43 PM
That's an interesting question.  I would imagine the Taliban has just kept all of it, to subjugate their own citizens and eliminate all freedoms of Afghan girls/women, but perhaps we can find out more information.
No, it is an idiotic question that has been debunked and what you imagine is just another manifestation of you leaping indiscriminately to the wrong conclusion.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/us-taliban-arsenal-military-equipment/
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

MU82

Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 09, 2023, 06:28:13 PM
Is that why this happened?  Shoot, haven't seen that written anywhere except maybe mother jones and messnbc.  We'll screw em then...at least the white supremacists and MAGA peeps are under control- those are the worst

Why do you enthusiastically support antisemites?
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

MuggsyB

Quote from: JWags85 on October 09, 2023, 08:08:38 PM
Muggsy, I know you're an excitable guy and this situation has clearly touched you emotionally, but might be a good time to take a beat and quite posting, cause this is unhinged.

The US has not been attacked, not declared war upon by anyone, and Iran has not directly engaged in any warfare, but yet you propose the US taking over their country, seizing their resources, and killing the leaders of a sovereign nation without provocation (while using the silly "introduce them to darkness" nonsense reserved for hypothetical boxing matchups or animal fights).  And further proposing it in some fantastical Call of Duty plot level mission.

And to top it off, you think you could dispose the Iranian government and control their oil fields in A MONTH?! Did you confuse Iran with Kuwait or Azerbaijan?

They could have crates of rockets that say Property of Iran and a note that says "To Hamas.  With love, Iran" and they wouldn't speak to Iranian involvement at this time. They have a direct and immediate conflict with Hamas on their doorstep to address.  Inciting or inviting Iran to get involved with a statement like that isn't remotely smart or savvy

We have dead Americans and likely American hostages JWags.  And 200K Americans in Israel.  To suggest Iran isn't involved is absolutely ridiculous and their government is a utter s-show that is a total disaster for their own citizens, fInance Islamic Terrorism, and horror on the world at large.    Fk their despicable leadership.
You're damn right we could take the Mullahs out and quickly.   And Iranian citizens would benefit greatly along with the entire world. 

The Sultan

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 09, 2023, 08:19:11 PM
We have dead Americans and likely American hostages JWags.  And 200K Americans in Israel.  To suggest Iran isn't involved is absolutely ridiculous and their government is a utter s-show that is a total disaster for their own citizens, fInance Islamic Terrorism, and horror on the world at large.    Fk their despicable leadership.
You're damn right we could take the Mullahs out and quickly.   And Iranian citizens would benefit greatly along with the entire world. 

Again this is just blustery nonsense.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Uncle Rico

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 09, 2023, 08:22:32 PM
Again this is just blustery nonsense.

We could roll from Tehran through Moscow and Beijing, too.  Go to Pyongyang as well
Guster is for Lovers

forgetful

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 09, 2023, 08:24:26 PM
We could roll from Tehran through Moscow and Beijing, too.  Go to Pyongyang as well

It might be easier to just terraform Mars, move all Americans there, and not let anyone else come.

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