2023-24 NBA Thread

[Jockey]

Giddey is a pedophile.

Proof?

[Pakuni]

Yeah I just saw on the cbssports.com write up that there are rumors a team had offered a top 10 pick for Caruso. If that's true, it would be malpractice to take Giddey over the pick for contract reasons alone

The rumor is that a team that ended up with a top 10 pick offered the Bulls a first during the season. Bulls decided to keep him in hopes of making a run instead.
Hindsight says not a smart move, but that's significantly different than someone offering them a top 10 pick today.

[WhiteTrash]

Rumors are the Bulls made the trade in advance of buying out Ball. Ball's basketball future doesn't look good.

[wadesworld]

Would you rather have Giddey or Reed Sheppard? Because I'm taking Giddey.

[Dish]

Mavs begged Giddey to shoot in their series, they left him open every time. He ended up getting benched in that series as well.

[Pakuni]

Mavs begged Giddey to shoot in their series, they left him open every time. He ended up getting benched in that series as well.

He's 21 years old with loads of upside.
Young players can become better shooters, but you can't teach 6"8" with point guard akills.
Its definitely possible Giddey never reach his ceiling, but trading 30-year-old bench players for that kind of a high-upside big swing is exactly what the Bulls should be doing. Hoping Caruso is just the first veteran shipped out.

[lawdog77]

He's 21 years old with loads of upside.
Young players can become better shooters, but you can't teach 6"8" with point guard akills.
Its definitely possible Giddey never reach his ceiling, but trading 30-year-old bench players for that kind of a high-upside big swing is exactly what the Bulls should be doing. Hoping Caruso is just the first veteran shipped out.

100%, Dude is a 14-7-6 guy at 21 years old. This the first year Caruso averaged over 10 points a game. Caruso was not going to help the Bulls reach the next level. Giddey might.

[WhiteTrash]

100%, Dude is a 14-7-6 guy at 21 years old. This the first year Caruso averaged over 10 points a game. Caruso was not going to help the Bulls reach the next level. Giddey might.

The Bulls are getting worked over in Chicago and in the national media for this trade. And it makes sense, because the GM has lost literally every trade in his career. This maybe a good deal for the Bulls, but they have lost all credibility and people will rightly question everything they do.

Add to it that the Bulls could not land a single draft pick from OKC and apparently OKC offered a top 10 pick for Caruso a few months ago and this is where the Bulls let it get to. So even if you like the trade for the Bulls, it is not as good as it could have been.

The Bulls are a bad organization so this it what is going to happen.

[Skatastrophy]

Proof?

His social media post with a high school girl saying he's outside the club with his girl and headed back to his place.

That's where it ends though. Cops investigated no charges. There's a NY Post article with a bunch of wild speculation if you'd like to read a tabloid on it tho

[The Sultan]

IDK, this sounds like Chicago sports radio nonsense to me. This is a bad draft, so Giddey may have more upside than they are going to get with a pick. His numbers haven't been terrible.

But more importantly, what is Alex Caruso going to do for the Bulls? He is a UFA after this next year and they aren't going anywhere. So he may have been gone anyway.

This sounds very much like meatheads over-valuing the hustly guy off the bench.

[Pakuni]

The Bulls are getting worked over in Chicago and in the national media for this trade. And it makes sense, because the GM has lost literally every trade in his career. This maybe a good deal for the Bulls, but they have lost all credibility and people will rightly question everything they do.

Add to it that the Bulls could not land a single draft pick from OKC and apparently OKC offered a top 10 pick for Caruso a few months ago and this is where the Bulls let it get to. So even if you like the trade for the Bulls, it is not as good as it could have been.

The Bulls are a bad organization so this it what is going to happen.

OKC doesn't have a top 10 pick, so I'm not sure how they could have offered one for Caruso.

[Uncle Rico]

OKC doesn't have a top 10 pick, so I'm not sure how they could have offered one for Caruso.

WhiteTrash blasts everything the Bulls or any team for that matter in Chicago do.  They could get Jokic, Doncic, Ant and Wemby for Lavine and he'd say it's a bad deal

[Pakuni]

His social media post with a high school girl saying he's outside the club with his girl and headed back to his place.

That's where it ends though. Cops investigated no charges. There's a NY Post article with a bunch of wild speculation if you'd like to read a tabloid on it tho

That's not at all how I recall it going down.
Source?

[WhiteTrash]

OKC doesn't have a top 10 pick, so I'm not sure how they could have offered one for Caruso.

I believe they were talking about the pick that ended up being #12. I didn't research it, it may have been top 10 at the trade deadline. 

[WhiteTrash]

WhiteTrash blasts everything the Bulls or any team for that matter in Chicago do.  They could get Jokic, Doncic, Ant and Wemby for Lavine and he'd say it's a bad deal

Have you followed the NBA and Bulls the past 5 years? Please point out 3 or 4 moves the Bulls have made that were very good.

I pointed out that most fans and NBA people think the Bulls lost the trade. I didn't really bash the trade. From a macro prospective the move makes sense, but only if they continue to unload old and expensive players. If the Bulls sit pat and resign DeRozen then they will be slightly worse than last year with Giddy.

Look, OKC had the Bulls over a barrel since they are desperate for a PG with the "shocking" news Ball will not play again. Just poor management.

For the record, no bashing of the Cubs or Hawks (liking the direction), I applauded the tank and rebuild of the Bears (thumbs up on Williams). And as we sit here today the Sox have a real opportunity to have the worst record in the 150 year history of MLB (not bashing them would be disingenuous)

[The Sultan]

Actually, a number of Bulls followers love the trade. Caruso wasn't going to help them at all next year, but now they have someone who is a playmaker.

And anyway, how can you tell if a team won or lost a trade less than 24 hours after it happens....in June? That's just nonsense to get headlines.

[WhiteTrash]

Actually, a number of Bulls followers love the trade. Caruso wasn't going to help them at all next year, but now they have someone who is a playmaker.

And anyway, how can you tell if a team won or lost a trade less than 24 hours after it happens....in June? That's just nonsense to get headlines.

I would agree with this. My original point was that the Bulls' GM's history is so bad, the default reaction is to assume it was a bad deal and I think that is a reasonable assumption. He has to prove everyone is wrong by actually having one of his moves work.

Let's not forget that a number of MU followers thought Wojo was going to turn the corner and fans that did not trust that would happen were MU haters. At some point you are who your record says you are.

[Skatastrophy]

That's not at all how I recall it going down.
Source?

Sorry I'm hosting people today so here's the quick version. They doxxed the girl in this (shitty YouTuber) video and she was 15 at the time

https://youtube.com/shorts/gCWa26BFDqw?si=OYeyjWFkqrvJu0eh

Here's one of the la times articles about the initial investigation. You can probably find the later ones with the cops saying they closed the investigation no comment.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-11-28/nba-josh-giddey-newport-beach-police-investigation-relationship-with-minor-alleged

[Pakuni]

I would agree with this. My original point was that the Bulls' GM's history is so bad, the default reaction is to assume it was a bad deal and I think that is a reasonable assumption. He has to prove everyone is wrong by actually having one of his moves work.

Let's not forget that a number of MU followers thought Wojo was going to turn the corner and fans that did not trust that would happen were MU haters. At some point you are who your record says you are.

The Bulls have been a mess for a long time, so if some fans are skeptical/cynical of front office moves, that's entirely fair. But simply putting this particular trade on blast not because of the actual merits of the deal, but because of past transactions, is kind of dumb.

It's entirely possible Giddey is who he is. It's also possible that 21-year-old players continue to grow and develop in the league. We know that because we see it all the time. What was Jaylen Brown three years into the league? Or Dejounte Murray? Or even Jalen Brunson and Julius Randle?
Not suggesting Giddey will ever reach those heights, but that guys aren't finished products three years in, especially not at 21 years old.
Whether it works out or not, I like that the Bulls are taking a big swing on upside in exchange for a 30-year-old bench player who was part of a core group that clearly wasn't working and who has no chance of being around if/when the Bulls can rebuild into a playoff-caliber team again.

[WhiteTrash]

The Bulls have been a mess for a long time, so if some fans are skeptical/cynical of front office moves, that's entirely fair. But simply putting this particular trade on blast not because of the actual merits of the deal, but because of past transactions, is kind of dumb.

It's entirely possible Giddey is who he is. It's also possible that 21-year-old players continue to grow and develop in the league. We know that because we see it all the time. What was Jaylen Brown three years into the league? Or Dejounte Murray? Or even Jalen Brunson and Julius Randle?
Not suggesting Giddey will ever reach those heights, but that guys aren't finished products three years in, especially not at 21 years old.
Whether it works out or not, I like that the Bulls are taking a big swing on upside in exchange for a 30-year-old bench player who was part of a core group that clearly wasn't working and who has no chance of being around if/when the Bulls can rebuild into a playoff-caliber team again.

Because of the terrible state of the team, this is a gamble that should be made. To be fair, while AC is a bench (sometimes starter) player, he is an All-NBA Defensive Team member, so not your average bench guy.

If the Bulls continue to cull the old and over-paid players, this trade make even more sense and not one to be trashed. Otherwise it like getting a B in gym in a reportcard full of Ds and Fs.

[MUBurrow]

The rumor is that a team that ended up with a top 10 pick offered the Bulls a first during the season. Bulls decided to keep him in hopes of making a run instead.
Hindsight says not a smart move, but that's significantly different than someone offering them a top 10 pick today.

Ah, okay, that makes sense and I agree. Thanks for the background.

Would you rather have Giddey or Reed Sheppard? Because I'm taking Giddey.

In a vaccuum?  Giddey.  If I have to extend Giddey next year vs having Sheppard on the first year of a rookie deal? Sheppard.

[Dish]

He's 21 years old with loads of upside.
Young players can become better shooters, but you can't teach 6"8" with point guard akills.
Its definitely possible Giddey never reach his ceiling, but trading 30-year-old bench players for that kind of a high-upside big swing is exactly what the Bulls should be doing. Hoping Caruso is just the first veteran shipped out.

Sure, that's fine and all, but what I said though wasn't wrong.

[lawdog77]

Sure, that's fine and all, but what I said though wasn't wrong.

He did shoot 9-18 from 3 in the series before that.

[Jockey]

I believe Giddey has more triple doubles than anyone in Bulls history not named Jordan or Pippen. Probably pass Pippen this year.

And he's 21.

[WhiteTrash]

I believe Giddey has more triple doubles than anyone in Bulls history not named Jordan or Pippen. Probably pass Pippen this year.

And he's 21.

And OKC's GM said they were putting him on the bench next year.

Giddy is a fine NBA player with some potential upside. Nothing more or less. What he is not, is a good shooter or defender. Even at 6'8" he is stuck as a PG.