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MuggsyB

#375
Quote from: MUfan12 on September 10, 2023, 08:46:16 AM
LOL. Because of this?! If they crap the bed with a full squad in the Olympics I'll be right there with you. But this tournament means nada.

If it means nothing why not send the college players?  And why have three coaches on the bench with a combined 8 NBA titles?  The fact is we have significant probs vs the International game and their coaches schooled us.  And it's not an easy fix whatsoever even if better players commit.  Especially at the 4/5 positions. 

And by the way Serbia with Jokic?  That's a problem.  Canada with Murray and Wiggins? Problem.  Hell, Germany with Theis was a freaking problem.  Are there USA bigs that can play at all besides Anthony Davis vs these teams? 

What should our line-up be moving forward?

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2023, 08:56:43 AM
If it means nothing why not send the college players?  And why have three coaches on the bench with a combined 8 NBA titles?  The fact is we have significant probs vs the International game and their coaches schooled us.  And it's not an easy fix whatsoever even if better players commit.  Especially at the 4/5 positions. 

And by the way Serbia with Jokic?  That's a problem.  Canada with Murray and Wiggins? Problem.  Hell, Germany with Theis was a freaking problem.  Are there USA bigs that can play at all besides Anthony Davis vs these teams? 

What should our line-up be moving forward?

Do you panic over everything? The US sent a lower level team. If they send a top team, and it loses, then maybe worry. Or maybe realize that it isn't 1992 any longer and the world has made steady progress in catching up.

Imagine getting this fired up about the FIBA championship. Lol...
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

tower912

Wojo has experience coaching the national team.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 10, 2023, 09:21:40 AM
Do you panic over everything? The US sent a lower level team. If they send a top team, and it loses, then maybe worry. Or maybe realize that it isn't 1992 any longer and the world has made steady progress in catching up.

Imagine getting this fired up about the FIBA championship. Lol...

They just need to focus with more attack intensity
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.

MuggsyB

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 10, 2023, 09:21:40 AM
Do you panic over everything? The US sent a lower level team. If they send a top team, and it loses, then maybe worry. Or maybe realize that it isn't 1992 any longer and the world has made steady progress in catching up.

Imagine getting this fired up about the FIBA championship. Lol...

I'm fine, who says I'm panicked?

MuggsyB

Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 10, 2023, 09:53:37 AM
They just need to focus with more attack intensity

This wasn't a focus/intensity issue. 

MuggsyB

Quote from: tower912 on September 10, 2023, 09:26:37 AM
Wojo has experience coaching the national team.

We have probs Tower, I'm looking for viable solutions. 

MUfan12

The US has one 7 of the last 8 Olympic golds, including the last 4. There are no major problems winning at the international level.

The reason you take pros is to build depth in the player pool and get them experience in the FIBA realm.

WhiteTrash

Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2023, 05:38:02 AM
We need to reevaluate how to choose players and coaches for USA Basketball.
More players from Chicago?

MuggsyB

#384
Quote from: MUfan12 on September 10, 2023, 10:09:44 AM
The US has one 7 of the last 8 Olympic golds, including the last 4. There are no major problems winning at the international level.

The reason you take pros is to build depth in the player pool and get them experience in the FIBA realm.

With all due respect I don't think it's that simple.  For example say Anthony Davis doesn't want to play?  Who goes to the Olympics?

MuggsyB

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 10, 2023, 10:12:46 AM
More players from Chicago?

What can be done about this debacle of an organization?  Get rid of everyone immediately?  :)

WhiteTrash

Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2023, 10:20:07 AM
What can be done about this debacle of an organization?  Get rid of everyone immediately?  :)
It starts at the top, right?

tower912

Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

MUBurrow

Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2023, 08:56:43 AM
If it means nothing why not send the college players?  And why have three coaches on the bench with a combined 8 NBA titles? 

Because you send the best guys who are willing to do it?  Durant and JFB would rather go to the US Open, but Kerr, et al are happy to coach the team. To each their own - I wouldn't risk injury in FIBA if I were a star either. That's the sole reason that the guys who are there are the guys who are there.

Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2023, 08:56:43 AM
And by the way Serbia with Jokic?  That's a problem.  Canada with Murray and Wiggins? Problem.  Hell, Germany with Theis was a freaking problem.  Are there USA bigs that can play at all besides Anthony Davis vs these teams? 

Sure - Jokic is a 2x MVP.  The NBA hasn't figured out how to deal with him, so I'm not sure that a hastily thrown together team of US nationals will figure it out either.  That's just what happens when the best player in the world doesn't happen to be American?

tower912

Precisely.   All a coach can do is to put together the best team out of those willing to play.   It isn't the Ryder Cup.     This team was the equivalent of Harry Higgs, Joel Dahmen, Kevin Kisner etc., with Keegan Bradley as the anchor.    Talented players all.    Way better than me.    But not the A-team.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

forgetful

Quote from: MUBurrow on September 10, 2023, 11:44:51 AM
Because you send the best guys who are willing to do it?  Durant and JFB would rather go to the US Open, but Kerr, et al are happy to coach the team. To each their own - I wouldn't risk injury in FIBA if I were a star either. That's the sole reason that the guys who are there are the guys who are there.


Not to go conspiracy theory on this...but I'm going to go conspiracy theory on this. It is also much harder to pass the Olympic drug tests than the NBA drug tests.

tower912

I just looked at the US roster for the first time.    Nothing surprising about the result.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

lawdog77

Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2023, 10:17:39 AM
With all due respect I don't think it's that simple.  For example say Anthony Davis doesn't want to play?  Who goes to the Olympics?
Off the top of my head, the US starters could be:
Curry
Dame
JFB
Tatum
Embiid

Its in Paris, so that might be a reason to go.

HutchwasClutch

Quote from: tower912 on September 10, 2023, 09:26:37 AM
Wojo has experience coaching the national team.

Knowing well your posting history during Wojo's tenure, this probably isn't sarcasm. 

tower912

#394
It is a fact.   And sarcasm.   

So that the easily triggered can amuse me.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

HutchwasClutch

Quote from: tower912 on September 10, 2023, 02:29:36 PM
It is a fact.   And sarcasm.

I am aware there's truth in the statement at face value. 

CreightonWarrior

#396
Oops

lawdog77

Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 10, 2023, 02:44:22 PM
Pretty shocked by the Bengals/Browns game
Even more shocking that they are NBA teams.

CreightonWarrior


MU82

Quote from: tower912 on September 10, 2023, 11:12:01 AM
We?

What? You're not embarrassed to be an American because of a result in a sports tournament that means next-to-nothing?
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington