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2023-24 NBA Thread

Started by Uncle Rico, June 27, 2023, 10:42:28 AM

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Uncle Rico

Quote from: Pakuni on July 18, 2023, 02:12:00 PM
What body of work?
LeBron was going all-star games, leading teams to the NBA playoffs and scoring 30+ ppg in the league at the same age Kareem was dominating undersized and overwhelmed teenagers in college.
Put 20-21 year old LeBron on those UCLA teams, and I don't imagine the results being any different.

And we can say the same about Kareem had he been able to play in the NBA out of high school.

He gets dismissed because he played with Magic
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 18, 2023, 02:37:17 PM
Exactly. What professional athletes in baseball, football, hockey, basketball, etc. did before they reached "the show" is beside the point in discussions about the GOAT. For example, nobody talks about Brady's less than spectacular career at Michigan. Or looks at minor league stats of Aaron vs Mays.

Kareem changed the game of basketball from high school through the pros.  It absolutely should matter.

The same way Lebron did living up to the hype
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.

MuggsyB

Is Magic automatically better than Bird?  It seems to me it's about 60/40. 

lawdog77

Quote from: MU82 on July 18, 2023, 03:37:46 PM
I saw all of Kareem's career. He was effen great. Magic was effen great, too.

Body of work? Like Lew, Magic also was pretty darn good in high school and college.

Both were super-duper-duper stars and deserving of all accolades.

I still rank Jordan and James ahead of both, but respect those who disagree.
As an aside, I thought Greg Kelser had the best game of anyone in that Championship game MSU v ISU.

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 18, 2023, 04:10:23 PM
Is Magic automatically better than Bird?  It seems to me it's about 60/40. 

Yes. Not even a question.
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

MU82

Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 18, 2023, 03:58:34 PM
He gets dismissed because he played with Magic

Unk, being a top-5 all-time player that some might rank a tiny tad behind Jordan, James and Magic isn't the same as getting "dismissed."

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 18, 2023, 04:10:23 PM
Is Magic automatically better than Bird?

Sure.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

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Uncle Rico

Quote from: MU82 on July 18, 2023, 04:14:34 PM
Unk, being a top-5 all-time player that some might rank a tiny tad behind Jordan, James and Magic isn't the same as getting "dismissed."

Sure.

Poorly worded.  Dismissed by the general basketball populace when this discussion comes up, not necessarily scoop
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.

MU82

Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 18, 2023, 04:15:36 PM
Poorly worded.  Dismissed by the general basketball populace when this discussion comes up, not necessarily scoop

Understood.

And now that I re-read my response to Muggs it might seem I'm dismissing Bird. That certainly wasn't my intent. Magic was better in the minds and eyes of most non-Celtic-fan observers, but Bird obviously was a hell of a player.
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Uncle Rico

Quote from: MU82 on July 18, 2023, 04:21:05 PM
Understood.

And now that I re-read my response to Muggs it might seem I'm dismissing Bird. That certainly wasn't my intent. Magic was better in the minds and eyes of most non-Celtic-fan observers, but Bird obviously was a hell of a player.

I'd take Bird over Magic and I hated the Celtics. 
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.



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Petrocelli, wen ewe played with Alcindor at Power Memorial, did Lew ever talk 'bout Al checkin' fore cracked sidewalks in front of hiz crib, hey?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

Jockey

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 18, 2023, 04:10:23 PM
Is Magic automatically better than Bird?  It seems to me it's about 60/40.

51/49

lawdog77


MuggsyB

My favorite guy of that era is Moses.  Why is he so disrespected?  :)   I also like Dominique, Bernard King, and George Gervin. 

MuggsyB

Bird was like a smaller Jokic??  But a better pure scorer?

MU82

Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 18, 2023, 04:26:18 PM
I'd take Bird over Magic and I hated the Celtics.

We'll respectfully agree to disagree, Unk.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

MuggsyB

How good was Nate Archibald in the DPR?  Diminutive Player Rankings.  Behind Thomas, Stockton, and CP3?

Jockey

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 18, 2023, 07:06:06 PM
My favorite guy of that era is Moses.  Why is he so disrespected?  :)   I also like Dominique, Bernard King, and George Gervin.

I don't think so. He is not in the top tier with Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Duncan, Robinson.

But still a top 20-25 all timer.

MuggsyB

#194
Quote from: Jockey on July 18, 2023, 07:35:25 PM
I don't think so. He is not in the top tier with Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Duncan, Robinson.

But still a top 20-25 all timer.

He's  a 3 time MVP I believe.  My hot take is that he and Elgin Baylor should get a bit more credit. 

Hold up a sec.....Robinson?  Did you mean Hakeem and did you forget about Shaq?

MuggsyB

My bad....only two MVP's. 

MuggsyB

Your 9 man rotation in this era?

Jockey

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 18, 2023, 07:38:22 PM
He's  a 3 time MVP I believe.  My hot take is that he and Elgin Baylor should get a bit more credit. 

Hold up a sec.....Robinson?  Did you mean Hakeem and did you forget about Shaq?

Yes, Robinson. But I neglected to add Shaq and Hakeem.

Si, yes Moses doesn't get enough props, but it is because of all the great centers.

MuggsyB

Quote from: Jockey on July 18, 2023, 09:06:07 PM
Yes, Robinson. But I neglected to add Shaq and Hakeem.

Si, yes Moses doesn't get enough props, but it is because of all the great centers.

I haven't heard many people put Robinson ahead of Moses.  And he clearly wasn't as good as Shaq or Hakeem.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Jockey on July 18, 2023, 07:35:25 PM
I don't think so. He is not in the top tier with Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Duncan, Robinson.

But still a top 20-25 all timer.

I missed the comma at first and thought you were nuts
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
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