Poll: Markus Howard Jersey Retirement

[real chili 83]

Lol. By stating he played in the NBA, I implied he wasn't good enough to play in the NBA?  😂😂😂

That's not what you stated.

The sky is blue.

[The Sultan]

That's not what you stated.

The sky is blue.

I said he couldn't "hang in the NBA."  (A truth that you can't refute.) Which also implies he played in the NBA.

Game. Set. Match.

[real chili 83]

I said he couldn't "hang in the NBA."  (A truth that you can't refute.) Which also implies he played in the NBA.

Game. Set. Match.

You implied he wasn't good enough.

Water is wet. 

[avid1010]

Based on what?   Success with Wade?

It's not even close.  TD understands basketball...how to run a team.  No coach is taking Markus over TD.

Markus understands Markus.  Great individual scorer...at 5' 11".

[tower912]

I am a Diener fan.   I am a Markus fan.   The two are not mutually exclusive.    I saw what I saw and the numbers back it up.

Markus > Travis.   Not even that close.

[ATL MU Warrior]

It's not even close.  TD understands basketball...how to run a team.  No coach is taking Markus over TD.

Markus understands Markus.  Great individual scorer...at 5' 11".

Are you implying that if Markus had played with Wade instead of Sacar Anim he'd have played exactly the same way?

[The Sultan]

You implied he wasn't good enough.

Nope. Read again. 

[The Sultan]

It's not even close.  TD understands basketball...how to run a team.  No coach is taking Markus over TD.

Lol. What????

[real chili 83]

Nope. Read again.

🙄

Thanks for playing.

[tower912]

Take the L.  Sultan said none of the things you are accusing him of.   Sadly, this a common theme on scoop.

[#UnleashSean]

I am a Diener fan.   I am a Markus fan.   The two are not mutually exclusive.    I saw what I saw and the numbers back it up.

Markus > Travis.   Not even that close.

Huh? What are we comparing here?

Accolades?
Team success?
Individual success?
Career success?

You can have Markus in the individual stats field. For scoring. In a completely different era of basketball.

Diener: Much more team success. Hung around much longer in the NBA. (Where a minor league basically didn't exist) played a very success full career in Italy.

Howard might be able to achieve relative success to diener overseas. Maybe.

But other then loving high ppg with low team success, it's hard to argue Markus > Diener at any level.

[real chili 83]

Take the L.  Sultan said none of the things you are accusing him of.   Sadly, this a common theme on scoop.

Oh, good gosh, here comes the mope squad.

Edit....sultan said Butch couldn't hang in the NBA, implying he couldn't make it. I pointed out his career was limited due to knee injuries, not playing ability.

Sadly, this is a common theme is Scoop. 

[tower912]

Huh? What are we comparing here?

Accolades?
Team success?
Individual success?
Career success?

You can have Markus in the individual stats field. For scoring. In a completely different era of basketball.

Diener: Much more team success. Hung around much longer in the NBA. (Where a minor league basically didn't exist) played a very success full career in Italy.

Howard might be able to achieve relative success to diener overseas. Maybe.

But other then loving high ppg with low team success, it's hard to argue Markus > Diener at any level.

Post Wade, Diener led the team to two .500 or worse conference records in Conference USA and two NIT appearances.  In other words, no team success without Wade.

[#UnleashSean]

Post Wade, Diener led the team to two .500 or worse conference records in Conference USA and two NIT appearances.  In other words, no team success without Wade.

So about the same level of team success that Howard had?




Note: in the 2005 season ncaa tournament, 2020 marquette would not have made the field (to stop the covid argument)

Small edit: is the "in conference USA" supposed to be a dig at playing in a worse conference? Because that conference is really just as good as this version of the big east.

[Jay Bee]

Small edit: is the "in conference USA" supposed to be a dig at playing in a worse conference? Because that conference is really just as good as this version of the big east.

Lol wat

[wadesworld]

So about the same level of team success that Howard had?




Note: in the 2005 season ncaa tournament, 2020 marquette would not have made the field (to stop the covid argument)

Small edit: is the "in conference USA" supposed to be a dig at playing in a worse conference? Because that conference is really just as good as this version of the big east.

No it isn't.

[avid1010]

Are you implying that if Markus had played with Wade instead of Sacar Anim he'd have played exactly the same way?

Markus plays the same way no matter who he plays with.  It's all he can do.

[Jay Bee]

Markus plays the same way no matter who he plays with.  It's all he can do.

Call me kooky, but I'm gonna say a 12% change in usage & even larger change in %shots indicates the facts don't align with your claim

[lawdog77]

Small edit: is the "in conference USA" supposed to be a dig at playing in a worse conference? Because that conference is really just as good as this version of the big east.

[The Sultan]

Oh, good gosh, here comes the mope squad.

Edit....sultan said Butch couldn't hang in the NBA, implying he couldn't make it. I pointed out his career was limited due to knee injuries, not playing ability.

Sadly, this is a common theme is Scoop. 

Lee couldn't hang in the NBA. Neither could Markus. Not sure why this is so difficult for you to understand.

[MU82]

Markus plays the same way no matter who he plays with.  It's all he can do.

Howard played much differently as a freshman, when he was a role player; and even as a soph, when Rowsey was PG.

If he had a good coach and players like Wade and Jackson in the lineup with him, yes, he'd have played differently - and he'd have played his role damn well.

That last paragraph is my opinion, just as it's your opinion which coach would have taken which player. Neither can be proven.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

You know the argument is doomed when someone starts trying to claim that early 2000s CUSA is anywhere close to modern BEast


Travis is better than Markus at more things in basketball.

Markus is so much better than Travis in all things scoring. So much better,  that it makes him an overall better college player than Travis. That is not a dig on Travis, Markus was just unreal.

2 time All American vs no time All American. #Retire0

[real chili 83]

Lee couldn't hang in the NBA. Neither could Markus. Not sure why this is so difficult for you to understand.

Agree with you on Markus.

Butch left the league due to injury.  You contend it was ability for Butch too. That's just speculation on your part.  Butch's injuries are facts.

In a very literal way, your original statement may not be wrong, but again, it was really his knees, not ability.

Not sure why that is so difficult......

[Dr. Blackheart]

Can Scoop at least agree that Markus is the best 17 year old to EVER play at Marquette?

[avid1010]

Howard played much differently as a freshman, when he was a role player; and even as a soph, when Rowsey was PG.

If he had a good coach and players like Wade and Jackson in the lineup with him, yes, he'd have played differently - and he'd have played his role damn well.

That last paragraph is my opinion, just as it's your opinion which coach would have taken which player. Neither can be proven.

He plays the same way overseas.