Poll: Markus Howard Jersey Retirement

[1SE]

So about the same level of team success that Howard had?




Note: in the 2005 season ncaa tournament, 2020 marquette would not have made the field (to stop the covid argument)

Small edit: is the "in conference USA" supposed to be a dig at playing in a worse conference? Because that conference is really just as good as this version of the big east.

You have to be trolling right? TD is one of my all time favorites - but Markus was a once in a generation talent. He's 5-10, got the full brunt of the opponents D night in night out, and still hung 40 pt games they grew on tree.

His lack of te success lies 100% at the feet of a coach who couldn't put together/keep together a roster around him. That's why we paid a gazillion dollars to fire said coach.

[Galway Eagle]

So about the same level of team success that Howard had?




Note: in the 2005 season ncaa tournament, 2020 marquette would not have made the field (to stop the covid argument)

Small edit: is the "in conference USA" supposed to be a dig at playing in a worse conference? Because that conference is really just as good as this version of the big east.

And I thought dgles post was insane.

[The Sultan]

Agree with you on Markus.

Butch left the league due to injury.  You contend it was ability for Butch too. That's just speculation on your part.  Butch's injuries are facts.

In a very literal way, your original statement may not be wrong, but again, it was really his knees, not ability.

Not sure why that is so difficult......

Lol. Regardless he didn't hang.

As tower said, take the L.

[real chili 83]

Lol. Regardless he didn't hang.

As tower said, take the L.

Classic Sultan.

That's not a compliment.

[tower912]

Peace to all.

[MU82]

He plays the same way overseas.

1. So?

2. Who is the Wade equivalent on his overseas team?

[The Sultan]

Classic Sultan.

That's not a compliment.

Lol. Resorting to Ziggy-level posting. Better tap out now. Or keep going. It's entertaining.

[real chili 83]

Lol. Resorting to Ziggy-level posting. Better tap out now. Or keep going. It's entertaining.

Thanks for the rent free space today.

[BGfund]

Hey guys - Diener here. Love Markus to death. Hell of a player and impossible to compare legacies. But no one is beating me one on one. And I mean nobody

[The Sultan]

Thanks for the rent free space today.

Thanks for the white flag.  Though you could have ended it with minimal damage long ago.

[wadesworld]

Hey guys - Diener here. Love Markus to death. Hell of a player and impossible to compare legacies. But no one is beating me one on one. And I mean nobody

lol. Love it.

[Galway Eagle]

Hey guys - Diener here. Love Markus to death. Hell of a player and impossible to compare legacies. But no one is beating me one on one. And I mean nobody

This guy didn't say which diener he was. Could be the DePaul player

[real chili 83]

Thanks for the white flag.  Though you could have ended it with minimal damage long ago.

👆👆👆👆👆

Classic

You don't disappoint.

[Lennys Tap]

Classic Sultan.

That's not a compliment.

Using a technical truth to "prove" something false. A page from the Chico playbook that  he's made his own. The transformation is complete. #Sad

[rocky_warrior]

Hey guys - Diener here. Love Markus to death. Hell of a player and impossible to compare legacies. But no one is beating me one on one. And I mean nobody

Hi Keefe.

[Elonsmusk]

Markus's legacy at MU is tainted by having had to play under the most dense head coach in MU history since Bob Dukeit.

By virtue of being MU's leading all-time scorer, and being a high character kid/good student, Markus absolutely is worthy of having his jersey retired by MU.

That aside, if I could choose whom I'd want to be my PG out of Travis, Markus, and TKO - I'm voting TKO.

[MU82]

Markus's legacy at MU is tainted by having had to play under the most dense head coach in MU history since Bob Dukeit.

By virtue of being MU's leading all-time scorer, and being a high character kid/good student, Markus absolutely is worthy of having his jersey retired by MU.

That aside, if I could choose whom I'd want to be my PG out of Travis, Markus, and TKO - I'm voting TKO.

Very reasonable take.

The OP wasn't about who was the best PG among Markus and others. It was: Does Marquette's all-time leading scorer, two-time All-American, and 2019 BEPOY - who also led a poorly coached team to 3 NCAAT bids in 4 years - deserve to be honored?

The answer to that question can (and should) be a resounding "Yes." The other discussion is an entirely separate thing.

I'd have no problem with Diener being similarly honored, though his body of work is nowhere near as good as Howard's. And I hope it will be a no-brainer to honor Kolek after this season.

[avid1010]

That aside, if I could choose whom I'd want to be my PG out of Travis, Markus, and TKO - I'm voting TKO.

For a PG...for guys I've been alive to watch.  I'm going TD, TKO, Tony Miller, Tony Smith, Aaron Hutchin all over Markus at PG.  I understand that's probably a crazy statement, and I love Steph Curry (and that style of play), but Markus was just too one dimensional for me.  I had no faith that he was capable of making anyone on the team better...no faith he could make good decisions in clutch times of the game...no faith he wasn't about himself.  When he was on it was amazing...when he wasn't it felt like it was equally problematic.  Couldn't positively impact the game if he wasn't scoring. 

[wadesworld]

For a PG...for guys I've been alive to watch.  I'm going TD, TKO, Tony Miller, Tony Smith, Aaron Hutchin all over Markus at PG.  I understand that's probably a crazy statement, and I love Steph Curry (and that style of play), but Markus was just too one dimensional for me.  I had no faith that he was capable of making anyone on the team better...no faith he could make good decisions in clutch times of the game...no faith he wasn't about himself.  When he was on it was amazing...when he wasn't it felt like it was equally problematic.  Couldn't positively impact the game if he wasn't scoring.

Lol.

[Jay Bee]

For a PG...for guys I've been alive to watch.  I'm going TD, TKO, Tony Miller, Tony Smith, Aaron Hutchin all over Markus at PG.  I understand that's probably a crazy statement, and I love Steph Curry (and that style of play), but Markus was just too one dimensional for me.  I had no faith that he was capable of making anyone on the team better...no faith he could make good decisions in clutch times of the game...no faith he wasn't about himself.  When he was on it was amazing...when he wasn't it felt like it was equally problematic.  Couldn't positively impact the game if he wasn't scoring.

Insane asylum has open computing today, hey?

[tower912]

For a PG...for guys I've been alive to watch.  I'm going TD, TKO, Tony Miller, Tony Smith, Aaron Hutchin all over Markus at PG.  I understand that's probably a crazy statement, and I love Steph Curry (and that style of play), but Markus was just too one dimensional for me.  I had no faith that he was capable of making anyone on the team better...no faith he could make good decisions in clutch times of the game...no faith he wasn't about himself.  When he was on it was amazing...when he wasn't it felt like it was equally problematic.  Couldn't positively impact the game if he wasn't scoring.

Surprised you put him in front of Derrick or Haanif.

[avid1010]

Insane asylum has open computing today, hey?

I get I'm way outside the majority here...and I'm probably pushing a style of basketball or belief of team that I didn't have knowledge to...but you thought he positively effected the game when he wasn't having a good offensive night?  Maybe it was coaching...but I didn't see it...even as a decoy.

You ever have discussions about him with former players? 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

For a PG...for guys I've been alive to watch.  I'm going TD, TKO, Tony Miller, Tony Smith, Aaron Hutchin all over Markus at PG.  I understand that's probably a crazy statement, and I love Steph Curry (and that style of play), but Markus was just too one dimensional for me.  I had no faith that he was capable of making anyone on the team better...no faith he could make good decisions in clutch times of the game...no faith he wasn't about himself.  When he was on it was amazing...when he wasn't it felt like it was equally problematic.  Couldn't positively impact the game if he wasn't scoring.

This is wild

[Jay Bee]

I get I'm way outside the majority here...and I'm probably pushing a style of basketball or belief of team that I didn't have knowledge to...but you thought he positively effected the game when he wasn't having a good offensive night?  Maybe it was coaching...but I didn't see it...even as a decoy.

You ever have discussions about him with former players?

Look at our season avg off eff numbers with Markus. Then shhhh

[brewcity77]

For a PG...for guys I've been alive to watch.  I'm going TD, TKO, Tony Miller, Tony Smith, Aaron Hutchin all over Markus at PG.  I understand that's probably a crazy statement, and I love Steph Curry (and that style of play), but Markus was just too one dimensional for me.  I had no faith that he was capable of making anyone on the team better...no faith he could make good decisions in clutch times of the game...no faith he wasn't about himself.  When he was on it was amazing...when he wasn't it felt like it was equally problematic.  Couldn't positively impact the game if he wasn't scoring.

FIFY

Nothing after acknowledging the original statement was worth typing out.