2022 World Cup Thread

[MuggsyB]

In any sport with a ball, if one player kicks/throws the ball at another, should they be thrown out because of that single act?

I guess that's fair.  It seemed beyond uncalled for though. 

[MUBurrow]

I guess that's fair.  It seemed beyond uncalled for though.

I think one of the subtleties here too, Muggs, is that there really isn't a way to kick a guy out in soccer without making his team play short the rest of the game.  There isn't a comp to the second technical rule in basketball that ejects someone but then his team subs someone else on.  If the ref had kicked him out of the game, Argentina would have had to play short, which seems a disproportionate impact on the game for the infraction. (Not disputing your read, Zig, I think by the letter of the rule you've got it exactly right.)

[jesmu84]

In this situation, it could have been either a 2nd yellow for unsporting behavior, after the first yellow for the foul or a straight red for violent conduct.

I would have gone with 2 yellows myself, but I also don't have FIFA apparently telling me not to send anyone off.

Yes, 2nd yellow.

But I was asking about the solo act of kicking a ball at an opponent.

I guess other sports are slightly different, but I don't think it should be straight red for that individual act.

Yellow? Sure.

[Its DJOver]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiW0IPrv1Ro

It's all up to how the ref interprets it.  If they think there is "violent conduct" they are more than within the rules to issue a straight red.  Paredes kick today was much worse that Rivaldo's flop IMO.  It all comes down to game management by the ref, and he clearly had none of it today.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

17 yellow cards for the match. Nobody received 2.

Messi talking smack to the old men in suits

Messi should have gotten another yellow for the blatant dives he took...

[lawdog77]

Messi should have gotten about her yellow for the blatant dives he took...

or the handball in the 55th minute

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Yes, 2nd yellow.

But I was asking about the solo act of kicking a ball at an opponent.

I guess other sports are slightly different, but I don't think it should be straight red for that individual act.

Yellow? Sure.

It wasn't kicking at an opponent.   He blasted it at the bench.  Big difference.

Could have hit a coach, trainer or someone else not expecting a ball to be blasted at them on the bench after the whistle.   Thus, the VC interpretation.

[MuggsyB]

I think one of the subtleties here too, Muggs, is that there really isn't a way to kick a guy out in soccer without making his team play short the rest of the game.  There isn't a comp to the second technical rule in basketball that ejects someone but then his team subs someone else on.  If the ref had kicked him out of the game, Argentina would have had to play short, which seems a disproportionate impact on the game for the infraction. (Not disputing your read, Zig, I think by the letter of the rule you've got it exactly right.)

Okay.  Thx for the explanation.  All I really know about soccer is that there's a pretty high diminutive success rate. 

[JWags85]

I'm usually all-in there with you.  Can't imagine anyone not rooting for Morocco tomorrow.  But I think semifinals can tend to be conservative and uninspiring anyway, so watching the Dutch and the Croats sit between the twenties sounds no fun.  Plus Nigel Powers was right.

My friends in Belgium definitely aren't.  There have been destructive celebrations by Moroccan supporters, coordinated on FB beforehand, following every win.  They planned it at a big park in Antwerp leading up to the Spain match.

I really like the Moroccan team and will pull for them, but I get it

[jesmu84]

Grant Wahl dead? Wtf?

[Pakuni]

Grant Wahl dead? Wtf?

Terrible news, and another potential stain on this World Cup.

@jacksettleman: Absolutely bone chilling stuff

Soccer journalist Grant Wahl who was kicked out of a stadium in QATAR for this shirt has reportedly collapsed and passed away during the Argentina game today

His brother says on Instagram that Grant was fully healthy & believes there's foul play https://twitter.com/jacksettleman/status/1601397864051396613/video/1

[Dish]

This Grant Wahl news, I both can't believe it and 100% can believe it. Holy $hit.

[cheebs09]

Awful news.

[jesmu84]

Need an autopsy done SUPER quick. And not by the qataris

[ATL MU Warrior]

Let's bomb the unnatural carnal knowledge out of Qatar. It's the only reasonable response.

[Dish]

Need an autopsy done SUPER quick. And not by the qataris

Yeah, I was thinking the cluster eff that has to happen now to get his body out of there, and who you can trust. I feel so hurt for his family and friends right now.

[MuggsyB]

What the F?  This is grotesque and freaking awful. 

[wadesworld]

Someone Tweeted that he wrote he was sick earlier this week, maybe with bronchitis.

[MuggsyB]

Someone Tweeted that he wrote he was sick earlier this week, maybe with bronchitis.

Someone could have poisoned him. 

[JWags85]

Someone Tweeted that he wrote he was sick earlier this week, maybe with bronchitis.

He did a podcast the other day and said as much and talked about how he was under the weather.

Terrible news, and another potential stain on this World Cup.

@jacksettleman: Absolutely bone chilling stuff

Soccer journalist Grant Wahl who was kicked out of a stadium in QATAR for this shirt has reportedly collapsed and passed away during the Argentina game today

His brother says on Instagram that Grant was fully healthy & believes there's foul play https://twitter.com/jacksettleman/status/1601397864051396613/video/1

To be fair, he was kicked out out of a match 1-2 weeks ago, not the match today.  Just to be clear.  Still suspicious, but not as immediate

[The Sultan]

Nm

[panda]

https://twitter.com/bvbbuzz/status/1601549111748366337?s=46&t=hhpbzzSARtzmUgLSyVRDZA

Still can't believe he couldn't get into the team and when he did played criminally out of position.

[Jay Bee]

Someone Tweeted that he wrote he was sick earlier this week, maybe with bronchitis.

Dude was at the hospital earlier this week

[rocket surgeon]

ya'd think this might take qatar out of the running for any future world cups and stuff, eyn'a?  they just can't seem to play nice

[MuggsyB]

Could Morocco pull this off?

Moroccan food is criminally underrated btw.