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Author Topic: RIP Queen Elizabeth  (Read 1262 times)

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Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2022, 03:21:47 PM »
I don't think she was a big fan of American leadership for quite some time brother dgies.  And yes, Chuckle is a British Fredo in comparison.  She probably had tremendous anxiety over the last few years about a number of things going on in the world.  I thought she'd live to 103. 


Charles is Fredo compared to who? The Queen?

Charles is going to be fine - because the job is almost entirely symbolic.
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Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2022, 03:30:31 PM »

Charles is Fredo compared to who? The Queen?

Charles is going to be fine - because the job is almost entirely symbolic.

Agreed.  I think Elizabeth guided the UK through a lot and was a symbol of strength and unity to them in some trying times in a way that Charles would struggle to...but that is far in the past and nothing he would be asked to do now would remotely compare

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Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2022, 03:36:16 PM »
Will Meghan Markle be invited to the funeral?

Since Wallis Simpson, the most detested person of the royal family at the time, attended the funeral of the Queens's father I would imagine Meghan attending the Queen's funeral unless she herself decides no to. Not sure how well that would sit with Harry though.

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Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2022, 03:37:51 PM »
Agreed.  I think Elizabeth guided the UK through a lot and was a symbol of strength and unity to them in some trying times in a way that Charles would struggle to...but that is far in the past and nothing he would be asked to do now would remotely compare

Job is just covering for and paying off victims of the family and powerful these days

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Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2022, 04:10:14 PM »
The Queen did a great job over the years. Not talking about the Pomp and Circumstance. Rather, the behind the scenes measured leadership . As head of state of so many nations, she was sought after by prime ministers for her counsel and judgement of the important matters of the day.

Obviously her family was a train wreck, but that doesn't diminish her achievements .
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Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2022, 04:13:29 PM »

Charles is Fredo compared to who? The Queen?

Charles is going to be fine - because the job is almost entirely symbolic.

No, it's not. 

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Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2022, 04:36:12 PM »
I don't think she was a big fan of American leadership for quite some time brother dgies.  And yes, Chuckle is a British Fredo in comparison.  She probably had tremendous anxiety over the last few years about a number of things going on in the world.  I thought she'd live to 103.

I honestly don't know if this is some type of elaborate Scoop performance art or not.

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Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #32 on: September 08, 2022, 05:22:28 PM »
No, it's not. 


???  What legal authority does the queen/king have?
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Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #33 on: September 08, 2022, 05:27:19 PM »
William Manchester says that for our parents 'generation 4 events stand apart :Pearl Harbor, the death of FDR, the election of 1948 and the JFK assassination. For me as a boomer I guess it would be the three assassinations and the night they announced that the Vietnam war was over. But the queen's death is a biggie.

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Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #34 on: September 08, 2022, 05:40:20 PM »
William Manchester says that for our parents 'generation 4 events stand apart :Pearl Harbor, the death of FDR, the election of 1948 and the JFK assassination. For me as a boomer I guess it would be the three assassinations and the night they announced that the Vietnam war was over. But the queen's death is a biggie.

I mean...9/11.

But his won't even register in my top 20 when all is said and done.
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Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #35 on: September 08, 2022, 05:46:36 PM »
Agreed.   To me, this is nearly a non-event.    I understand Britain needs to go through their grieving and mourning.    I respect that and leave them to it.     She wasn't my queen.    She was 96.     She had a full and glorious life.   This isn't a tragedy or someone taken from us too soon.    This is just an inevitable step in the circle of life.   
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Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #36 on: September 08, 2022, 05:51:51 PM »
William Manchester says that for our parents 'generation 4 events stand apart :Pearl Harbor, the death of FDR, the election of 1948 and the JFK assassination. For me as a boomer I guess it would be the three assassinations and the night they announced that the Vietnam war was over. But the queen's death is a biggie.

But to Fluffy she's essentially just symbolic like other monarchs because she had "no legal authority"  And even if you think she was essentially symbolic, there are levels and nuances to the significance of any figurehead.  Also, Manchester should have clearly consulted Fluffy before he rendered his opinion on watershed events.   Btw his Churchill biographies are the absolute best. 

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Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #37 on: September 08, 2022, 05:53:52 PM »
Agreed.   To me, this is nearly a non-event.    I understand Britain needs to go through their grieving and mourning.    I respect that and leave them to it.     She wasn't my queen.    She was 96.     She had a full and glorious life.   This isn't a tragedy or someone taken from us too soon.    This is just an inevitable step in the circle of life.

With all due respect I think you are completely underestimating her influence and importance.  Especially in the UK.

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Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #38 on: September 08, 2022, 05:53:53 PM »
But to Fluffy she's essentially just symbolic like other monarchs because she had "no legal authority"  And even if you think she was essentially symbolic, there are levels and nuances to the significance of any figurehead.  Also, Manchester should have clearly consulted Fluffy before he rendered his opinion on watershed events.   Btw his Churchill biographies are the absolute best. 


Entirely symbolic. Sorry you can’t grasp that.

But symbols can be important.
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Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #39 on: September 08, 2022, 06:05:51 PM »
I mean...9/11.

But his won't even register in my top 20 when all is said and done.

Forgot about 9/11. As a New Yorker I've really put it out of my mind.

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Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #40 on: September 08, 2022, 06:10:09 PM »
With all due respect I think you are completely underestimating her influence and importance.  Especially in the UK.
With all due respect, I am rarely heartbroken over the death of nonagenarians.
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Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #41 on: September 08, 2022, 06:10:54 PM »

Entirely symbolic. Sorry you can’t grasp that.

But symbols can be important.

Ya....that's the whole point.  No one will give a sht comparatively when Boris Johnson, Cameron, abd Blair pass away.

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Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #42 on: September 08, 2022, 06:25:32 PM »
Ya....that's the whole point.  No one will give a sht comparatively when Boris Johnson, Cameron, abd Blair pass away.

Lol. So I say it’s symbolic. You disagree. Now you’re saying she’s an important symbol. 🙄🙄🙄
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Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #43 on: September 08, 2022, 06:32:23 PM »
Lol. So I say it’s symbolic. You disagree. Now you’re saying she’s an important symbol. 🙄🙄🙄

I'm saying that yes she was symbolic but had much more significance. 

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Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #44 on: September 08, 2022, 06:50:26 PM »
I'm saying that yes she was symbolic but had much more significance. 

So when I said this...

Charles is going to be fine - because the job is almost entirely symbolic.

Why did you reply "no it's not?"
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Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #45 on: September 08, 2022, 06:53:22 PM »
The Queen did a great job over the years. Not talking about the Pomp and Circumstance. Rather, the behind the scenes measured leadership . As head of state of so many nations, she was sought after by prime ministers for her counsel and judgement of the important matters of the day.

Obviously her family was a train wreck, but that doesn't diminish her achievements .

I think not being the hands on mom was her greatest regret. I think it is a lot tougher to be queen and a devoted mom then king and a devoted dad. Her devotion to the crown always took precedent over her duty to her family. I can't imagine being a child, teenager and young adult and have to schedule an appointment to see my mother.

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Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #46 on: September 08, 2022, 07:05:26 PM »

Entirely symbolic. Sorry you can’t grasp that.

But symbols can be important.

True and true.

And because symbols can be important, I’m not so sure “Charles will be fine”. Unlike his Mum, he’s a total goofball. The monarchy will be “fine” again (to the extent it matters) when William takes over.

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Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #47 on: September 08, 2022, 09:02:55 PM »
Will Meghan Markle be invited to the funeral?

Considering the number of cameras and reporters that will be there wild horses couldn’t keep her away.
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Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #48 on: September 08, 2022, 09:23:40 PM »
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I'd guess the Queen had a lot on her mind

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Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth
« Reply #49 on: September 09, 2022, 06:26:01 AM »
Considering the number of cameras and reporters that will be there wild horses couldn’t keep her away.

I gather you’re not a fan?