In response to U.S. gun carnage, Canada to enact tough laws

[TSmith34, Inc.]

The irony for me is that the majority of gun legislation, aside from outlawing AR-15s or whatnot, would not prevent them from having their Lord of War arsenal, just make it SLIGHTLY more time consuming to compile.

Yes, though I would surmise that those willing to jump through all the hoops--training, licensing, insurance, registration, proof of safe storage, etc., are far more likely to actually be responsible gun owners.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Oh good, another apostle of the Church of Ziggy Logic. We shouldn't have laws because criminals don't care about laws! So brilliant.

You're right: there is absolutely nothing we can do, as evidenced by every single other western country.

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[Frenns Liquor Depot]

No, clearly all is not fine.  I'm saying that all this talk about more restrictions likely won't do much to stop the mayhem with most of the gun-owning Americans who are killing people.  They ignore the laws.  They will ignore any new laws.  Whatever new gun control measures are considered need to focus on those who are committing the crimes, and that is going to be really hard to do.

Honestly replace grenade for AR-15. Do you honestly believe that we should remove restrictions to obtaining those items because restrictions don't work.

It's an ease of access issue.

[JWags85]

Yes, though I would surmise that those willing to jump through all the hoops--training, licensing, insurance, registration, proof of safe storage, etc., are far more likely to actually be responsible gun owners.

Yea, listen, I'm not pro-gun, don't own and probably never will.  But I can't help but think that some of the stuff Ive of the misdirected anger/frustration Ive seen lately isn't the right tact. 

Posting pictures of people posing with their arsenals like "look at these idiots" or showing gun owners, who may have a bunch of guns, but have no criminal charges, have never been cited for misuse of weapons, etc... like "THESE PEOPLE ARE THE PROBLEM" isn't the angle, IMO.

We can all agree that we're never getting rid of guns across the board.  We can agree that any progress is difficult, so maybe the angle of "you guys have absolutely nothing to worry about with common sense gun legislation, you're responsible" instead of "your hobby kills children" is a better path to a changed collective mindset.

Slippery slope mindset may be a fallacy, but if there is any way to circumvent the preponderance of it, i cant help but hope it could be useful.

[rocket surgeon]

opioids caused 17 deaths per 100,000 in canada, but what the...just legalize em

guns caused ?(too many) deaths, but what the...make them illegal

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

NM. I meant to say I blame Arbys and mental health. 

[The Sultan]

opioids caused 17 deaths per 100,000 in canada, but what the...just legalize em

guns caused ?(too many) deaths, but what the...make them illegal

They did not make guns illegal in Canada. Nor are most suggesting that here.

[Shaka Shart]

Mr. medical professional seems to think Opioids are illegal.

[JWags85]

Mr. medical professional seems to think Opioids are illegal.

I mean fentynal and heroin are, and thats what is being floated for decriminalization up north

[Shaka Shart]

Fentanyl is a commonly used drug in medical procedures.

[Jockey]

Mr. medical professional seems to think Opioids are illegal.

We sell 'em like candy in this country.

[Shaka Shart]

Perhaps he's implying that something with so much potential for misuse shouldn't be so easy to get or distribute.

[jesmu84]

Mr. medical professional seems to think Opioids are illegal.

He also apparently doesn't know the difference between legalization and decriminalization

[Jockey]

Another day. Another mass shooting.

Ho Hum in America.

[Merit Matters]

Another day. Another mass shooting.

Ho Hum in America.

How about the mass shootings in Chicago over the weekend that killed way more people? Why don't these get as much attention?

[The Sultan]

How about the mass shootings in Chicago over the weekend that killed way more people? Why don't these get as much attention?

It's all over the news. Sorry you missed it. Perhaps you should pay attention instead of spending so much time building strawmen.

And last I checked, Chicago was in America so I think it is inclusive of Jockey's statement.

[Merit Matters]

It's all over the news. Sorry you missed it. Perhaps you should pay attention instead of spending so much time building strawmen.

And last I checked, Chicago was in America so I think it is inclusive of Jockey's statement.

Ok, why do certain "mass" shootings get more attention?

[The Sultan]

Ok, why do certain "mass" shootings get more attention?

Why does it matter? Lots of Americans are dying because of easy access to guns and we aren't doing anything about it.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Yea, listen, I'm not pro-gun, don't own and probably never will.  But I can't help but think that some of the stuff Ive of the misdirected anger/frustration Ive seen lately isn't the right tact. 

Posting pictures of people posing with their arsenals like "look at these idiots" or showing gun owners, who may have a bunch of guns, but have no criminal charges, have never been cited for misuse of weapons, etc... like "THESE PEOPLE ARE THE PROBLEM" isn't the angle, IMO.

We can all agree that we're never getting rid of guns across the board.  We can agree that any progress is difficult, so maybe the angle of "you guys have absolutely nothing to worry about with common sense gun legislation, you're responsible" instead of "your hobby kills children" is a better path to a changed collective mindset.

Slippery slope mindset may be a fallacy, but if there is any way to circumvent the preponderance of it, i cant help but hope it could be useful.

I mostly agree. The NRA and others have positioned it as "grabbing guns", which isn't true but whips up the fear and anger. The discussion needs to change to gun (and human) safety.

My take on those pictures is slightly different, though. I saw it as portrayals of gun culture, rather than suggesting those people were specifically the problem.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Ok, why do certain "mass" shootings get more attention?

Why is mass in quotations? Are you disputing that killing 19 10 year olds with a firearm is a mass shooting?

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Ok, why do certain "mass" shootings get more attention?

Ok, I'll guess: because mowing down 19 seven to ten year olds is beyond shocking? Because mass murdering people in a supermarket because you listened to Tuckems tell you that you are being replaced is twisted and evil (both the shooter and Tuckems)?

[tower912]

Why keep perpetuating the lie that nobody talks about shootings in Chicago?   Never mind.   We know the answer to that one.

[Merit Matters]

Why keep perpetuating the lie that nobody talks about shootings in Chicago?   Never mind.   We know the answer to that one.

What nobody talks about is the black supremacist driver who mowed down people in Waukesha. Or the black on black gang mass shootings in Chicago every day. Why don't both get as much attention? We know why, just don't know why it's not called both ways.

[MU82]

The NYT got their lead wrong on the latest mass murder:

A man carrying a rifle and a handgun opened fire in a medical office building in Tulsa, Okla., on Wednesday afternoon, killing four people and injuring several others before apparently taking his own life in the latest mass shooting to shock the country, the authorities said.

It didn't shock anybody. It's business as usual in Gunmerica.

[Jockey]

How about the mass shootings in Chicago over the weekend that killed way more people? Why don't these get as much attention?

You work so hard to remind us black people are bad. Very cute.