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Author Topic: In response to U.S. gun carnage, Canada to enact tough laws  (Read 6317 times)

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Canada has responded to the mass shootings in Buffalo and Uvalde by making it illegal to buy, sell, transfer or import handguns anywhere in Canada.

They also will launch a mandatory buy-back of assault-style rifles, allow for repeal of gun licenses for people involved in acts of domestic violence, create a "red flag" law to keep or get guns out of the hands of mentally unstable people, and require rifle magazines to be permanently altered so they can never hold more than five rounds.

https://apnews.com/article/politics-justin-trudeau-canada-gun-violence-89cd6e183a067632056fb89f05ed70ba

TORONTO (AP) — Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s government introduced legislation Monday that would put a freeze on importing, buying or selling handguns.

“We are capping the number of handguns in this country,” Trudeau said.

The regulations to halt the growth of personally owned handguns is expected to be enacted this fall.

“It will be illegal to buy, sell, transfer or import handguns anywhere in Canada,” the prime minister said. Families of shooting victims joined him at a press conference in Ottawa.

Canada already has plans to ban 1,500 types of military-style firearms and offer a mandatory buyback program that will begin at the end of the year. Trudeau said if someone really wants to keep their assault weapon it will be made completely inoperable.

Canada already expanded background checks.

Trudeau has long had plans to enact tougher gun laws but the introduction of the new measure comes after mass shootings in Uvalde, Texas, and Buffalo, N.Y., this month.

Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino called the legislation the most significant step Canada has taken in a generation.

“Countries that do a good job of controlling guns do a good job of controlling gun violence,” Mendicino said in an interview with The Associated Press.

“In Canada, gun ownership is a privilege not a right,” Blair said. “This is a principal that differentiates ourselves from many other countries in the world, notably our colleagues and friends to the south.”

Canada has had far fewer mass shootings than the U.S. in part because of a lack of easy access to guns, though the U.S. population also is far larger than Canada’s.

Blair noted guns are often smuggled in illegally from the U.S., which he noted has one of the largest small arms arsenals in the world.

The government plans to fight gun smuggling and trafficking by increasing criminal penalties, providing more tools to investigate firearms crimes and strengthening border measures. Trudeau said increased funding already helped border officials double the amount of smuggled guns confiscated at the U.S. border.

The government said the bill would also allow for the removal of gun licenses from people involved in acts of domestic violence or criminal harassment, such as stalking.

The bill would create a new “red flag” law allowing courts to require that people considered a danger to themselves or others surrender their firearms to police. The government said the measure would guard the safety of those applying through the process, often women in danger of domestic abuse, by protecting their identities.

The government said it will require rifle magazines to be permanently altered so they can never hold more than five rounds and will ban the sale and transfer of large-capacity magazines under the Criminal Code.

“Canada can teach us a lot,” tweeted Bruce Heyman, a former U.S. ambassador to Canada under the Obama administration.

Trudeau said his government recognizes the vast majority of Canadians who own guns are responsible but the level of gun violence is unacceptable. Mendicino said they are aware the announcement could lead to a rush to buy guns before the law is enacted and urged Parliament to pass it as soon as possible.

The new measures are assured of passing in Canada’s Parliament as the ruling Liberals and leftist opposition New Democrats have enough votes.

Pierre Poilievre, who is running to be leader of the Conservative party, said law-abiding gun owners should be respected and dangerous criminals should be jailed.

“Other than using firearms for sport shooting and hunting, there is no reason anyone in Canada should need guns in their everyday lives,” Trudeau said. “We need less gun violence.

“We cannot let the gun debate became so polarized that nothing gets done. We cannot let that happen in our country. This is about freedom. People should be free to go to the supermarket, their school or their place of worship without fear.”
"We understand that for some reason, to people with money, to people who fund political campaigns, guns are more important than children. Today we stand for Lexi, and as her voice, we demand action."

-- Kimberly Rubio, whose daughter Lexi was among 19 schoolchildren slaughtered in Uvalde, Texas

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Re: In response to U.S. gun carnage, Canada to enact tough laws
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2022, 07:42:16 AM »
We've have had seven topics on gun violence locked in the last few weeks.  I would think you'd get the hint that starting another one would be a bad idea.
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Re: In response to U.S. gun carnage, Canada to enact tough laws
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2022, 07:54:43 AM »
We've have had seven topics on gun violence locked in the last few weeks.  I would think you'd get the hint that starting another one would be a bad idea.

He can't help himself.  Self control of a 5 year old.

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Re: In response to U.S. gun carnage, Canada to enact tough laws
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2022, 08:01:30 AM »
Weird that Canada doesn’t seem to have a mental health dilemma on their hands.  Oh, well.  Must be all the thoughts and prayers that are working.  Lock it
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Re: In response to U.S. gun carnage, Canada to enact tough laws
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2022, 08:37:15 AM »
Weird that Canada doesn’t seem to have a mental health dilemma on their hands.  Oh, well.  Must be all the thoughts and prayers that are working.  Lock it
Never heard that one before Rico, any new material?

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« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2022, 08:42:28 AM »
Never heard that one before Rico, any new material?

No
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Re: In response to U.S. gun carnage, Canada to enact tough laws
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2022, 09:09:56 AM »
Canada has responded to the mass shootings in Buffalo and Uvalde by making it illegal to buy, sell, transfer or import handguns anywhere in Canada.

They also will launch a mandatory buy-back of assault-style rifles, allow for repeal of gun licenses for people involved in acts of domestic violence, create a "red flag" law to keep or get guns out of the hands of mentally unstable people, and require rifle magazines to be permanently altered so they can never hold more than five rounds.

https://apnews.com/article/politics-justin-trudeau-canada-gun-violence-89cd6e183a067632056fb89f05ed70ba

TORONTO (AP) — Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s government introduced legislation Monday that would put a freeze on importing, buying or selling handguns.

“We are capping the number of handguns in this country,” Trudeau said.

The regulations to halt the growth of personally owned handguns is expected to be enacted this fall.

“It will be illegal to buy, sell, transfer or import handguns anywhere in Canada,” the prime minister said. Families of shooting victims joined him at a press conference in Ottawa.

Canada already has plans to ban 1,500 types of military-style firearms and offer a mandatory buyback program that will begin at the end of the year. Trudeau said if someone really wants to keep their assault weapon it will be made completely inoperable.

Canada already expanded background checks.

Trudeau has long had plans to enact tougher gun laws but the introduction of the new measure comes after mass shootings in Uvalde, Texas, and Buffalo, N.Y., this month.

Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino called the legislation the most significant step Canada has taken in a generation.

“Countries that do a good job of controlling guns do a good job of controlling gun violence,” Mendicino said in an interview with The Associated Press.

“In Canada, gun ownership is a privilege not a right,” Blair said. “This is a principal that differentiates ourselves from many other countries in the world, notably our colleagues and friends to the south.”

Canada has had far fewer mass shootings than the U.S. in part because of a lack of easy access to guns, though the U.S. population also is far larger than Canada’s.

Blair noted guns are often smuggled in illegally from the U.S., which he noted has one of the largest small arms arsenals in the world.

The government plans to fight gun smuggling and trafficking by increasing criminal penalties, providing more tools to investigate firearms crimes and strengthening border measures. Trudeau said increased funding already helped border officials double the amount of smuggled guns confiscated at the U.S. border.

The government said the bill would also allow for the removal of gun licenses from people involved in acts of domestic violence or criminal harassment, such as stalking.

The bill would create a new “red flag” law allowing courts to require that people considered a danger to themselves or others surrender their firearms to police. The government said the measure would guard the safety of those applying through the process, often women in danger of domestic abuse, by protecting their identities.

The government said it will require rifle magazines to be permanently altered so they can never hold more than five rounds and will ban the sale and transfer of large-capacity magazines under the Criminal Code.

“Canada can teach us a lot,” tweeted Bruce Heyman, a former U.S. ambassador to Canada under the Obama administration.

Trudeau said his government recognizes the vast majority of Canadians who own guns are responsible but the level of gun violence is unacceptable. Mendicino said they are aware the announcement could lead to a rush to buy guns before the law is enacted and urged Parliament to pass it as soon as possible.

The new measures are assured of passing in Canada’s Parliament as the ruling Liberals and leftist opposition New Democrats have enough votes.

Pierre Poilievre, who is running to be leader of the Conservative party, said law-abiding gun owners should be respected and dangerous criminals should be jailed.

“Other than using firearms for sport shooting and hunting, there is no reason anyone in Canada should need guns in their everyday lives,” Trudeau said. “We need less gun violence.

“We cannot let the gun debate became so polarized that nothing gets done. We cannot let that happen in our country. This is about freedom. People should be free to go to the supermarket, their school or their place of worship without fear.”


Similar to what Australia did, and the results were dramatic. It can't happen here, currently, but there is a lot that we actually could do that would lead to a huge improvement.
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Re: In response to U.S. gun carnage, Canada to enact tough laws
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2022, 09:31:29 AM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/police-woman-killed-man-who-fired-rifle-into-party-crowd/2022/05/26/946221c2-dd27-11ec-bc35-a91d0a94923b_story.html

An example of a good girl with a gun killing a bad guy with a gun.  Since it was pointed out that this never happens in one of the previously locked threads.   This woman saved a bunch of lives and she deserves equal amount of media coverage as the evil maniacs who commit mass murder.

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« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2022, 09:32:53 AM »
Since it was pointed out that this never happens in one of the previously locked threads.


No one said that.
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Re: In response to U.S. gun carnage, Canada to enact tough laws
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2022, 09:43:42 AM »
He can't help himself.  Self control of a 5 year old.

IBTL

Speaking of self-control…, check the mirror.

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Re: In response to U.S. gun carnage, Canada to enact tough laws
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2022, 09:43:50 AM »

No one said that.

Come on Fluff, we know the these threads are just for people to yell the same thing over and over at each other without any sort of deviation from the prior or change in mentality.

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« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2022, 09:45:25 AM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/police-woman-killed-man-who-fired-rifle-into-party-crowd/2022/05/26/946221c2-dd27-11ec-bc35-a91d0a94923b_story.html

An example of a good girl with a gun killing a bad guy with a gun.  Since it was pointed out that this never happens in one of the previously locked threads.   This woman saved a bunch of lives and she deserves equal amount of media coverage as the evil maniacs who commit mass murder.

The world needs less guns
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Re: In response to U.S. gun carnage, Canada to enact tough laws
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2022, 09:53:27 AM »
The world needs less guns

I don’t disagree and am fine with an assault rifle ban but think a bigger impact on preventing future mass shootings is a magazine capacity restriction.  Having never shot an AR style rifle from what I’ve read and been told it’s still one bullet for every pull of the trigger so imo we’re better off making it harder/more time consuming to fire off 100s of rounds like in Uvalde to limit the carnage.

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« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2022, 10:02:23 AM »
Similar to what Australia did, and the results were dramatic. It can't happen here, currently, but there is a lot that we actually could do that would lead to a huge improvement.

We obviously can't do a comprehensive law like Canada's because ... well ... because.

But we absolutely could pass a law with some of the elements of Canada's if enough congresspeople decide they value human life as much as they value the money they receive from the gun lobby.

am fine with an assault rifle ban but think a bigger impact on preventing future mass shootings is a magazine capacity restriction.  Having never shot an AR style rifle from what I’ve read and been told it’s still one bullet for every pull of the trigger so imo we’re better off making it harder/more time consuming to fire off 100s of rounds like in Uvalde to limit the carnage.

Sure. Either of those would be a nice step forward from America's current almost-any-gun-for-almost-anyone policy. Thanks for the contribution.
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« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2022, 10:09:46 AM »
Apparently this psycho enjoyed carrying bloodied dead cats around in plastic bags.   Just your average shts and grins hobby.  There were a number of red flags and they were all over the place.  Now, I think it's ridiculous he was easily able to purchase these weapons for his 18th birthday but his parents and those who knew him had ample evidence he needed immediate psychological intervention/help.

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« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2022, 10:15:22 AM »
Apparently this psycho enjoyed carrying bloodied dead cats around in plastic bags.   Just your average shts and grins hobby.  There were a number of red flags and they were all over the place.  Now, I think it's ridiculous he was easily able to purchase these weapons for his 18th birthday but his parents and those who knew him had ample evidence he needed immediate psychological intervention/help.

Do you know how much healthcare costs in this country. Maybe we could start there. Medicare for all, especially mental health care, so that people aren't afraid to get help when they need it, out of fear they will be bankrupt.

It is cheaper to arm yourself as a small militia in this country than to go to the ER.

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« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2022, 10:25:30 AM »
Do you know how much healthcare costs in this country. Maybe we could start there. Medicare for all, especially mental health care, so that people aren't afraid to get help when they need it, out of fear they will be bankrupt.

It is cheaper to arm yourself as a small militia in this country than to go to the ER.

That's conflating issues.  Is healthcare, specifically mental healthcare, an issue?  Yes.  Is justifying away the behavior of mentally ill individuals with "oh its too expensive", when its not been explicitly stated by the family, a valid response?  No.

Nobody is going bankrupt for pursuing optional care.  That's just an excuse.  "I'm scared of going bankrupt from getting therapy for my mentally troubled child" is very different than "I'm scared of going bankrupt from cancer treatment/an accident/life saving surgery".  Its shoe horning one aspect of a topic into another.

His mother came out in the days following and said some crap like "He had his reasons for doing what he did.  Please don't judge him".  There is grief and disbelief, and then there is a pattern ignored by poor parenting.  It can be both.

But yes, he should have never been able to get anywhere near a gun, no matter what healthcare costs.

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« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2022, 10:29:19 AM »
Do you know how much healthcare costs in this country. Maybe we could start there. Medicare for all, especially mental health care, so that people aren't afraid to get help when they need it, out of fear they will be bankrupt.

It is cheaper to arm yourself as a small militia in this country than to go to the ER.

You do realize that Medicare doesn't cover everything, right.  That's why seniors need to purchase Medicare supplements.  Which are costly, especially on fixed income.

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« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2022, 10:40:51 AM »
Speaking of self-control…, check the mirror.

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« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2022, 11:18:46 AM »

Nobody is going bankrupt for pursuing optional care.  That's just an excuse.  "I'm scared of going bankrupt from getting therapy for my mentally troubled child" is very different than "I'm scared of going bankrupt from cancer treatment/an accident/life saving surgery".  Its shoe horning one aspect of a topic into another.

There are absolutely people who can't afford therapy for their mentally troubled child. I have no idea if that was the case in Uvalde, but it is not accurate to say that everyone who needs therapy can afford it.
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« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2022, 11:20:04 AM »
Come on Fluff, we know the these threads are just for people to yell the same thing over and over at each other without any sort of deviation from the prior or change in mentality.

I doubt these threads are changing anyone's mind, but I have seen posters whose positions on gun control have shifted from the right towards the left over the years.
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« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2022, 11:25:52 AM »
Apparently this psycho enjoyed carrying bloodied dead cats around in plastic bags.   Just your average shts and grins hobby.  There were a number of red flags and they were all over the place.  Now, I think it's ridiculous he was easily able to purchase these weapons for his 18th birthday but his parents and those who knew him had ample evidence he needed immediate psychological intervention/help.

Red flag laws.
No long guns until 21.

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« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2022, 11:26:50 AM »
You do realize that Medicare doesn't cover everything, right.  That's why seniors need to purchase Medicare supplements.  Which are costly, especially on fixed income.

Many supplements have zero $ premiums while still providing Rx and out patient coverage.

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« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2022, 11:29:06 AM »
Correct.  Insurance may cover it, but access to covered providers is often scarce.  And if you go outside that network, you're paying out of pocket.  Huge issue, especially for children. And even worse with the pandemic.

There are absolutely people who can't afford therapy for their mentally troubled child. I have no idea if that was the case in Uvalde, but it is not accurate to say that everyone who needs therapy can afford it.

 

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