New NIL Collective for MBB and WBB

[The Sultan]

College sports need coaches feuding.  It's awesome.  Would love Shaka telling Sean Miller he cheats and then Miller and X get mad and have some bad blood

I mean, this is just great!

https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status/1527355273588854795?s=20&t=IGALzVNr7djUmZJLip4cxw

Ross Dellenger
@RossDellenger
TAMU AD Ross Bjork to @SInow
"I don't know why Nick Saban would say what he said except he's threatened. There is a saying ... an emperor who loses their dynasty lashes out.

"I guess people don't like A&M disrupting the power base of college football."

[Uncle Rico]

I mean, this is just great!

https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status/1527355273588854795?s=20&t=IGALzVNr7djUmZJLip4cxw

Ross Dellenger
@RossDellenger
TAMU AD Ross Bjork to @SInow
"I don't know why Nick Saban would say what he said except he's threatened. There is a saying ... an emperor who loses their dynasty lashes out.

"I guess people don't like A&M disrupting the power base of college football."

Trying to imagine if this Paul Chryst and some coach 😂

[PBRme]

Did you mean with "the other teams having paid players also"? (see Pitino, Calipari, Urban Myer)

I stand corrected

[Jockey]

No one is perfect.  But cmon...the guy can coach obviously.

I agree. I think Saban is a better coach, but the guy with better players should win the most.

[WhiteTrash]

Personally, the athletes being poor had zero impact on my interest in college sports.

Right? It was slave labor. They were the only poor students and racked up a mountain of student loan debts.

I don't have problem with players making money, but put some rules in place. Pro sports recognize competition is good for business. I haven't watched a college bowl game in 10 years. I don't gamble on sports so I don't care which SEC team or Clemson wins. As I said before maybe it's just me.   

My deteriorating interest comes from the the wild west nature of it all and complete lack of competitive equity.  I would loose interest in pro sports if only the Yankees, Dodgers, Giants, Bears, Cowboys, Lakers, Knicks and Bulls won.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Right? It was slave labor. They were the only poor students and racked up a mountain of student loan debts.

Your words, not mine.

My deteriorating interest comes from the the wild west nature of it all and complete lack of competitive equity.  I would loose interest in pro sports if only the Yankees, Dodgers, Giants, Bears, Cowboys, Lakers, Knicks and Bulls won.

In the NBA 2 teams (Celtics and Lakers) have 46% of the national championships. 5 teams have 68.9% of the national championships. The NBA also consistently goes through periods where one or 2 teams dominates the league for multiple championships in a short period of time (Warriors 15 to Present, Whatever Team Lebron was on 07-20, Spurs 07-14, Lakers 00-10, Bulls 91-98, Lakers 80-91, Celtics 81-87, Celtics 57-76, Lakers 62-73, Lakers 49-54). College basketball has a long way to go before they get to that level of lack of competitiveness.

You're right about college football, it's always been boring.

[PBRme]

I'd say it is more like an unpaid apprentice than Slave labor

Not saying it is right either way just that "slave" comes with a lot of other baggage

[WhiteTrash]

I'd say it is more like an unpaid apprentice than Slave labor

Not saying it is right either way just that "slave" comes with a lot of other baggage

This is a dead hoarse.

"Slave" is completely wrong. That is like calling the Boston Marathon the Baton Death March.

"Unpaid" or "Free" labor are only used by lazy or dishonest people. These athletes were far from uncompensated. Now, honest people can discuss if the compensation was adequate or fair.

[Uncle Rico]

This is a dead hoarse.

"Slave" is completely wrong. That is like calling the Boston Marathon the Baton Death March.

"Unpaid" or "Free" labor are only used by lazy or dishonest people. These athletes were far from uncompensated. Now, honest people can discuss if the compensation was adequate or fair.

Of coarse

[The Sultan]

Lane Kiffin...voice of reason.

https://www.si.com/college/2022/05/25/lane-kiffin-nil-recruiting-boosters-nick-saban

[Shooter McGavin]

Lane Kiffin...voice of reason.

https://www.si.com/college/2022/05/25/lane-kiffin-nil-recruiting-boosters-nick-saban

I agree with Kiffen on most of this but the donors aren't a bottomless pit of money as he suggests in my opinion.  Although there is some pride on Saturday when your team wins after you have purchased players services, the donors don't own anything like NFL owners who see the value of their franchises increase yearly.  Donors get zero return except for satisfaction.  I don't think that's enough to sustain millions of dollars worth of contributions to NIL yearly.  It's like flushing big money down the toilet and I assume these people aren't stupid.

Sporadic big money contributions I get.  Sustained?  Not so much.

[Spotcheck Billy]

I agree with Kiffen on most of this but the donors aren't a bottomless pit of money as he suggests in my opinion.  Although there is some pride on Saturday when your team wins after you have purchased players services, the donors don't own anything like NFL owners who see the value of their franchises increase yearly.  Donors get zero return except for satisfaction.  I don't think that's enough to sustain millions of dollars worth of contributions to NIL yearly.  It's like flushing big money down the toilet and I assume these people aren't stupid.

Sporadic big money contributions I get.  Sustained?  Not so much.

This has been my suspicion as well, starting out with huge splashes but how many years will some boosters keep the spend up there?

[panda]

This has been my suspicion as well, starting out with huge splashes but how many years will some boosters keep the spend up there?

Yep - how willing will boosters be to contribute when a few of their kids transfer ? How long will Miami continue to pay large sums of money to guys like Nijel Pack?  who is nowhere near a top end talent.

[Skip Intro]

Yep - how willing will boosters be to contribute when a few of their kids transfer ? How long will Miami continue to pay large sums of money to guys like Nijel Pack?  who is nowhere near a top end talent.

I'd be interested to see how these NIL contracts are written for this very reason.  For instance, Dawson Garcia's deal with that seafood place or whatever it was - he played for UNC for two months, took a leave of absence, and then transferred.  If his contract was a longer-term deal, or even just the season, and they paid him any money up front, would he (or could he) pay them back?

You'd hope that everyone saw this as a potential issue and the players just do one-time endorsements, events, etc., and aren't under some long term obligation. 

[Herman Cain]

Yep - how willing will boosters be to contribute when a few of their kids transfer ? How long will Miami continue to pay large sums of money to guys like Nijel Pack?  who is nowhere near a top end talent.

Here is a real life example:

Our company operates in some Markets where the local community goes ga-ga over the P5 Teams . People who didn't go to the school or frankly never went to any college live and die for these teams .

So for business reasons we found it was worth supporting these programs . Our Customers and Employees loved that we were associated . Half of our dollars went to the coaches charities .

Now the charity dollars instead go to NIL football and basketball. About 20 kids total.

2 kids we sponsored on one team went into the portal this spring. It doesn't really matter because we are really backing the school brand .We will just sponsor a new crop of kids .

Total dollars spent are roughly mid 5 digits between both on NIL. Then another 5 digits in total in general  promotional spending with the school .We will keep spending since it's part of our strategy .

[lawdog77]

Here is a real life example:

Our company operates in some Markets where the local community goes ga-ga over the P5 Teams . People who didn't go to the school or frankly never went to any college live and die for these teams .

So for business reasons we found it was worth supporting these programs . Our Customers and Employees loved that we were associated . Half of our dollars went to the coaches charities .

Now the charity dollars instead go to NIL football and basketball. About 20 kids total.

2 kids we sponsored on one team went into the portal this spring. It doesn't really matter because we are really backing the school brand .We will just sponsor a new crop of kids .

Total dollars spent are roughly mid 5 digits between both on NIL. Then another 5 digits in total in general  promotional spending with the school .We will keep spending since it's part of our strategy .

Quick question, does your NIL go into a Collective, or are you setting up NIL's directly with the SA?

[Herman Cain]

Quick question, does your NIL go into a Collective, or are you setting up NIL's directly with the SA?

We set up both with collectives because it enables us to co brand the University logos etc . Having our name associated with the school is what matters most to us .

[Shooter McGavin]

We set up both with collectives because it enables us to co brand the University logos etc . Having our name associated with the school is what matters most to us .

That makes some sense.  Who the athletes are really doesn't matter and probably has zero ROI for your business purposes.   The school brand is the most important factor.  Although that seems like athletes are making money off of a schools NIL.  Do you get to use the school logo on your advertisements?

[panda]

Here is a real life example:

Our company operates in some Markets where the local community goes ga-ga over the P5 Teams . People who didn't go to the school or frankly never went to any college live and die for these teams .

So for business reasons we found it was worth supporting these programs . Our Customers and Employees loved that we were associated . Half of our dollars went to the coaches charities .

Now the charity dollars instead go to NIL football and basketball. About 20 kids total.

2 kids we sponsored on one team went into the portal this spring. It doesn't really matter because we are really backing the school brand .We will just sponsor a new crop of kids .

Total dollars spent are roughly mid 5 digits between both on NIL. Then another 5 digits in total in general  promotional spending with the school .We will keep spending since it's part of our strategy .

Yep - my wife's company allocates a significant amount of money to NIL deals as well.

I'm thinking more the individual boosters who finance specific players on the roster, not just the corporate "donation." I could see some boosters becoming frustrated their money isn't winning enough games or keeping players happy etc.

[WhiteTrash]

Here is a real life example:


Now the charity dollars instead go to NIL football and basketball. About 20 kids total.

So much for the idea that there was all this unspent money waiting to be thrown at under paid players. The money comes at a cost to others (charities, facilities, coaches, non-football and basketball sports, etc.)

Not saying NIL is wrong, just need to accept the real consequences. And I realize many here knew this was going to happen and agree the funds belong to the football and basketball players, not others.

[MU82]

So much for the idea that there was all this unspent money waiting to be thrown at under paid players. The money comes at a cost to others (charities, facilities, coaches, non-football and basketball sports, etc.)

Not saying NIL is wrong, just need to accept the real consequences. And I realize many here knew this was going to happen and agree the funds belong to the football and basketball players, not others.

That's what 9-9-9's company has chosen to do. Maybe other companies haven't eliminated or reduced donations to charities. I don't know, and neither do you.

But sure, it's possible that NIL will come at a cost to others. That's life in the big city.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

So much for the idea that there was all this unspent money waiting to be thrown at under paid players. The money comes at a cost to others (charities, facilities, coaches, non-football and basketball sports, etc.)

There was unspent money waiting to be thrown at underpaid players. There is also money that has been rerouted from other locations towards NIL.

[MU82]

College "general managers" in charge of NIL? Yep!

Duke just announced that it has hired Rachel Baker as GM to work with the men's basketball team. She spent 8 years with Nike and 1 with the NBA.

According to the school's press release, she will "specialize in helping players enhance their personal and professional skill sets, capitalize on strategic partnerships, including NIL opportunities, and work to support players in navigating the opportunities and challenges that come with being a student-athlete at the highest level."

Will Marquette hire somebody to do this?

[muwarrior69]

College "general managers" in charge of NIL? Yep!

Duke just announced that it has hired Rachel Baker as GM to work with the men's basketball team. She spent 8 years with Nike and 1 with the NBA.

According to the school's press release, she will "specialize in helping players enhance their personal and professional skill sets, capitalize on strategic partnerships, including NIL opportunities, and work to support players in navigating the opportunities and challenges that come with being a student-athlete at the highest level."

Will Marquette hire somebody to do this?

To comply with Title IX would not Duke have to hire a GM for the women's basketball team?

[brewcity77]

To comply with Title IX would not Duke have to hire a GM for the women's basketball team?

No. She's not a student-athlete.