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The Sultan

Juries convict people. Judges sentence them. Parole officers make recommendations on release. What exactly do you want them to do?

Again if you are asking for a risk free environment, that's not possible.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Pakuni

#1026
Quote from: rocket surgeon on May 05, 2024, 08:47:04 AM
put the gov thing aside, let's start with those who are responsible for putting them in prison in the first place...or are supposed to...and keep them there until they show they are safe to live in society

What's this actually mean?
Indefinite prison sentences for every crime? Re-write the Constitution to take away the right to bond?
How does one show they are safe to live in society? Who makes that judgement?
The rocket plan for fixing the criminal justice system seems seems big on platitudes, low on actionable details.


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recidivism is off the charts and someone needs to held resposible for this

How do you fix this?
You're great at complaining, not so great at offering actual solutions.

TSmith34, Inc.

The purpose of the right-wing echo chamber is to stir up rage amongst the easily mislead, it certainly isn't to equip them with solutions to their imaginary problems. You're asking a fool for something he cannot possibly provide.
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

MU82

Quote from: rocket surgeon on May 05, 2024, 08:03:50 AM
  some people die, some people live, some people get raped, some people only get a flesh wound...oh well

I am heartened to hear that you are vehemently against the 1-6-21 felons ever being released early - and certainly against them being pardoned for strictly political reasons.

Great that you're gonna vote against the presidential candidate who is promising to release these criminals - many of whom pleaded guilty to violent crimes against police officers, some of whom are leaders of lawless, seditionist, racist, antisemitic groups - into society.

Good to hear, roQQet. Thanks!
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

lawdog77

Quote from: rocket surgeon on May 05, 2024, 08:47:04 AM
put the gov thing aside, let's start with those who are responsible for putting them in prison in the first place...or are supposed to...and keep them there until they show they are safe to live in society


maybe shortening up the rap sheets by a few pages would be a start

recidivism is off the charts and someone needs to held resposible for this
How about we start with prison reform? Seems like many learn a trade in prison, that trade being how to commit more crimes.  Or let's go even further back than that. How about lets work on the reasons many commit crimes.

tower912

Recividism has always been off the charts.  Just one more thing that has been an issue for decades that is suddenly a source of trollflake fauxrage.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Not all scoop users are created equal apparently

Quote from: lawdog77 on May 05, 2024, 10:24:59 AM
How about we start with prison reform? Seems like many learn a trade in prison, that trade being how to commit more crimes.  Or let's go even further back than that. How about lets work on the reasons many commit crimes.

If we moved Marquette's campus to Mequon people would be less tempted to commit crimes on it.
" There are two things I can consistently smell.    Poop and Chlorine.  All poop smells like acrid baby poop mixed with diaper creme. And almost anything that smells remotely like poop; porta-johns, water filtration plants, fertilizer, etc., smells exactly the same." - Tower912

Re: COVID-19

4everwarriors

Yeah, doubt there no crime on the Concordia campus. NU blew that opportunity years ago, aina?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

The Sultan

Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 05, 2024, 02:23:59 PM
Yeah, doubt there no crime on the Concordia campus. NU blew that opportunity years ago, aina?

Northwestern?
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Uncle Rico

Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 05, 2024, 02:23:59 PM
Yeah, doubt there no crime on the Concordia campus. NU blew that opportunity years ago, aina?

Northeastern?
Guster is for Lovers

4everwarriors

Fat fingered da M for and N. First mistake this year, aina?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

WellsstreetWanderer

Quote from: MU82 on May 05, 2024, 09:31:41 AM
I am heartened to hear that you are vehemently against the 1-6-21 felons ever being released early - and certainly against them being pardoned for strictly political reasons.

Great that you're gonna vote against the presidential candidate who is promising to release these criminals - many of whom pleaded guilty to violent crimes against police officers, some of whom are leaders of lawless, seditionist, racist, antisemitic groups - into society.

Good to hear, roQQet. Thanks!
Many of those crimes consisted of merely walking into the Capitol and you're happy that fellow Americans are held for years without even seeing a court to defend themselves ? Let's vote for the administration who also admits 10MM unvetted coming for free stuff; then surreptitiously dumps them in unsuspecting cities in the dead of night. Nice

The Sultan

Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on May 05, 2024, 05:40:02 PM
Many of those crimes consisted of merely walking into the Capitol and you're happy that fellow Americans are held for years without even seeing a court to defend themselves ?

You are suggesting that people are being held "for years" without getting a hearing in court?
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Pakuni

Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on May 05, 2024, 05:40:02 PM
Many of those crimes consisted of merely walking into the Capitol

Riiiggghhhht. And the Barrow Gang just made a bunch of bank withdrawals.

Quoteand you're happy that fellow Americans are held for years without even seeing a court to defend themselves ?

Name one 1/6 defendant who's been held for years without seeing a court to defend him/herself.
I have access to PACER. I'll tell you when, where and how often they've seen a court.


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Let's vote for the administration who also admits 10MM unvetted coming for free stuff; then surreptitiously dumps them in unsuspecting cities in the dead of night. Nice

Are you talking about Abbott or DeSantis?

tower912

Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Not all scoop users are created equal apparently

Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 05, 2024, 03:18:25 PM
Fat fingered da M for and N. First mistake this year, aina?

Typical Demtist
" There are two things I can consistently smell.    Poop and Chlorine.  All poop smells like acrid baby poop mixed with diaper creme. And almost anything that smells remotely like poop; porta-johns, water filtration plants, fertilizer, etc., smells exactly the same." - Tower912

Re: COVID-19

MU82

Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on May 05, 2024, 05:40:02 PM
Many of those crimes consisted of merely walking into the Capitol and you're happy that fellow Americans are held for years without even seeing a court to defend themselves ? Let's vote for the administration who also admits 10MM unvetted coming for free stuff; then surreptitiously dumps them in unsuspecting cities in the dead of night. Nice

Pretty much everything here is false. But if you support beating the hell out of cops and trying to hang the vice president while the president ignores his own daughter's pleas to put a stop to it, that's your right.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

rocky_warrior

LOL at WsW using MM for people.

Hello, former accountant.

WellsstreetWanderer

Quote from: MU82 on May 05, 2024, 10:52:59 PM
Pretty much everything here is false. But if you support beating the hell out of cops and trying to hang the vice president while the president ignores his own daughter's pleas to put a stop to it, that's your right.

   Your info is the fallacy..NO police where beaten and none of what you claim transpired.  Capitol police whistleblowers have debunked that scenario. The pleas that were denied where the repeated requests for National Guard troops. Curious how the jan.6th committee after holding their show and carefully crafted investigation destroyed all their evidence including videos . Why is that? 

The Sultan

Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on May 06, 2024, 03:16:36 PM
   Your info is the fallacy..NO police where beaten and none of what you claim transpired. 

If by "no police where (sic) beaten" you mean "about 140 were assaulted" you are correct.  About half were Capitol Police, the other have DC metro.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

wadesworld

Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on May 06, 2024, 03:16:36 PM
   Your info is the fallacy..NO police where beaten and none of what you claim transpired.  Capitol police whistleblowers have debunked that scenario. The pleas that were denied where the repeated requests for National Guard troops. Curious how the jan.6th committee after holding their show and carefully crafted investigation destroyed all their evidence including videos . Why is that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teJ-jnjSSKE

I think I found WellsstreetWanderer.  Just some peaceful protestors out here exercising their constitutional rights.  No police "where" (smart) beaten, indeed.  We don't have a bunch of videos to prove it.  That's all fake news and AI generated.

tower912

#1046
 ::)
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

WellsstreetWanderer

Quote from: wadesworld on May 06, 2024, 03:33:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teJ-jnjSSKE

I think I found WellsstreetWanderer.  Just some peaceful protestors out here exercising their constitutional rights.  No police "where" (smart) beaten, indeed.  We don't have a bunch of videos to prove it.  That's all fake news and AI generated.
I watched the whole Jan.6th thing unfold real time and i have questions. I saw Capitol police escorting people throughout the building waiting ,In some instances, for them to catch up and going up staircases ; I saw people walking through halls peacefully staying between the velvet ropes. I can't deny what I saw  and no one can answer why normally locked doors to the entrances where open. No one questions there were some bad actors in the crowd but the treatment of curious citizens is reprehensible. People are being denied the right to a speedy trial for political purposes.  Much of this has the whiff of Russian dossier hysteria

wadesworld

Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on May 06, 2024, 03:56:20 PM
  I watched the whole Jan.6th thing unfold real time and i have questions. I saw Capitol police escorting people throughout the building waiting ,In some instances, for them to catch up and going up staircases ; I saw people walking through halls peacefully staying between the velvet ropes. I can't deny what I saw  and no one can answer why normally locked doors to the entrances where open. No one questions there were some bad actors in the crowd but the treatment of curious citizens is reprehensible. People are being denied the right to a speedy trial for political purposes.  Much of this has the whiff of Russian dossier hysteria

Serious question.  Do you know the difference between the word "where" and "were?"  It doesn't seem like it, and kind of explains a lot.

tower912

Brownshirts.   Attempting a putsch.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

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