2022 Transfer Portal Thread

[Uncle Rico]

Nothing can be coordinated through the university, although I wouldn't put anything past a sleazeball like Self.

National Champion Bill Self

[The Sultan]

Nothing can be coordinated through the university, although I wouldn't put anything past a sleazeball like Self.

Seriously?  Every school, including Marquette, is coordinating this stuff these days.

[mugrad_89]

National Champion Bill Self

I won't disagree that in the NCAA cheating does pay.

[GoldenEagles03]

I find it interesting that the guy that doesn't want the future lottery pick is the same guy that is way overhyping the sub 6', borderline top 100 guy.  Bates is an incredible talent, and we could do a lot worse with our open scholarship.  That being said, I don't blame Shaka for not reaching out.  Bates is going to go wherever he can get the most $$$, and that's not MU.

Jones is a guy that wants to be here and is a piece to build around. You'd have to pay Bates to be here and he only averaged 9 ppg on 38% shooting in the A10.

There may be 1 year guys that fit the mold moving forward but it isn't Bates. Pretty easy to see that.

[Uncle Rico]

Jones is a guy that wants to be here and is a piece to build around. You'd have to pay Bates to be here and he only averaged 9 ppg on 38% shooting in the A10.

There may be 1 year guys that fit the mold moving forward but it isn't Bates. Pretty easy to see that.

Bates didn't play in the A-10

[WhiteTrash]

National Champion Bill Self

Just like the 2013 Louisville National Champs ..... that never were.

[GoldenEagles03]

Bates didn't play in the A-10

AAC, American, ACA, ABBA, A10 whatever it is.

[Uncle Rico]

Just like the 2013 Louisville National Champs ..... that never were.

Still my 2013 National Champ

[Ardmore Mug]

I don't know if this belongs here, but its being reported Patrick Baldwin,Jr is declaring for the NBA Draft ! ! !   

[Pakuni]

Jones is a guy that wants to be here and is a piece to build around. You'd have to pay Bates to be here and he only averaged 9 ppg on 38% shooting in the A10.

There may be 1 year guys that fit the mold moving forward but it isn't Bates. Pretty easy to see that.

Emoni Bates, who should have been a high school senior last year, played college ball as a 17-year-old and averaged 9.7 ppg despite battling a back injury. He's bad and couldn't help a team like Marquette because he shot 38%.

Tyler Kolek, who shot 32%, needs to be moved off the ball so he can get more shots and lessen his impact at the thing he's really good at, i.e. distributing the ball to better scorers. This would allow Marquette to slide a borderline top 100 kid into the role of primary point guard, despite him never playing a minute of college ball.

Scoop has some weird takes sometime, man.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Emoni Bates, who should have been a high school senior last year, played college ball as a 17-year-old and averaged 9.7 ppg despite battling a back injury. He's bad and couldn't help a team like Marquette because he shot 38%.

Tyler Kolek, who shot 32%, needs to be moved off the ball so he can get more shots and lessen his impact at the thing he's really good at, i.e. distributing the ball to better scorers. This would allow Marquette to slide a borderline top 100 kid into the role of primary point guard, despite him never playing a minute of college ball.

Scoop has some weird takes sometime, man.

A high usage, low efficiency player that will be gone in a year is not the culture Shaka is going for.

A multiyear player like Kolek, who improves over time, and is still here in 2-3 years is exactly the culture Shaka is going for.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

[wadesworld]

I don't know if this belongs here, but its being reported Patrick Baldwin,Jr is declaring for the NBA Draft ! ! !   

Shocking.  People were saying he was transferring to UW.  In fact, I think it was the same people who said Kansas was our only hope to beat the Badgers.

I hope he falls to the Bucks in the draft.

[rocky_warrior]

A multiyear player like Kolek, who improves over time, and is still here in 2-3 years is exactly the culture Shaka is going for.

Honestly, that scares the hell out of me.  I like Kolek, but it doesn't sound like a recipe for the success Marquette fans desire.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Honestly, that scares the hell out of me.  I like Kolek, but it doesn't sound like a recipe for the success Marquette fans desire.

Shaka will get better multiyear players than Kolek, too.  He's just one example.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

I don't know if this belongs here, but its being reported Patrick Baldwin,Jr is declaring for the NBA Draft ! ! !   

Good decision.  Some team will still take a gamble on him.

[rocky_warrior]

Shaka will get better multiyear players than Kolek, too.  He's just one example.

Sure, but "culture" is going to wear thin real fast.  Marquette should be getting players that want to win, and are at least good enough to be be paid professionals in the near future.  Sticking around for 3 years because you like being around Shaka so much shouldn't be a criteria.

[lawdog77]

Sure, but "culture" is going to wear thin real fast.  Marquette should be getting players that want to win, and are at least good enough to be be paid professionals in the near future.  Sticking around for 3 years because you like being around Shaka so much shouldn't be a criteria.

Agree. That line of thinking smells like a Badger

[Its DJOver]

Matt Heldt was the ultimate "culture" guy. 13 scholarship players of his quality has us behind Gtown and DePaul.  If I believed for one second that the school (either directly or indirectly, however the rules and laws allow) could put together a competitive NIL deal for Bates, I'd be criticizing Shaka for not pursuing.  I know we can't afford him, so it's time well not spent.

[4everwarriors]

Good decision.  Some team will still take a gamble on him.

His old man probably has the same NBA connections that Crean has, hey?

[The Sultan]

Matt Heldt was the ultimate "culture" guy. 13 scholarship players of his quality has us behind Gtown and DePaul.  If I believed for one second that the school (either directly or indirectly, however the rules and laws allow) could put together a competitive NIL deal for Bates, I'd be criticizing Shaka for not pursuing.  I know we can't afford him, so it's time well not spent.

Why are we equating culture with lack of basketball ability?

The Amigos were culture guys.  Jimmy Butler and DJO were culture guys albeit for only three years.  Markus Howard was definitely a culture guy.  An All-American.

People are acting like we have to sacrifice significant quality for culture guys.  Nova hasn't.  Baylor hasn't.  Virginia hasn't.  Marquette doesn't either.

[Its DJOver]

Why are we equating culture with lack of basketball ability?

The Amigos were culture guys.  Jimmy Butler and DJO were culture guys albeit for only three years.  Markus Howard was definitely a culture guy.  An All-American.

People are acting like we have to sacrifice significant quality for culture guys.  Nova hasn't.  Baylor hasn't.  Virginia hasn't.  Marquette doesn't either.

Some people are trying to use "culture" as reasons not to go after blue chip talent.  If a player is a good cultural fit and a blue chip talent, that's great, but immediately dismissing blue chip talent because of a "culture" issue is a mistake IMO.  Bates may not be a good cultural fit, but if we had a legitimate shot at landing him, I would want Shaka to be going all out regardless.   

[rocky_warrior]

People are acting like we have to sacrifice significant quality for culture guys.  Nova hasn't.  Baylor hasn't.  Virginia hasn't.  Marquette doesn't either.

Sure, but other people are acting like culture is more important than talent (Kolek example).  I think that's a ridiculous assertion in the world that Shaka is living.  He has to be going for talent, just not at the expense of team chemistry.  And c'mon there aren't that many players that are "bad seeds" - let's not start acting like Wisconsin fans that didn't want a recruit because "supposedly" he couldn't hack it academically.

[The Sultan]

Bates may not be a good cultural fit, but if we had a legitimate shot at landing him, I would want Shaka to be going all out regardless.   

I don't.  If he isn't a good cultural fit, it's just not going to work regardless of the talent.

That being said, I don't think that means all blue chip talent aren't good cultural fits. 

[GoldenEagles03]

Sure, but "culture" is going to wear thin real fast.  Marquette should be getting players that want to win, and are at least good enough to be be paid professionals in the near future.  Sticking around for 3 years because you like being around Shaka so much shouldn't be a criteria.

That's the point. Bates doesn't care about winning first. He wants to get out of college as soon as possible, which is fine, just not for Marquette.

There will be one and done's and 1 year guys that fit what Shaka is looking for but Bates isn't remotely close to it. An offensive minded guy with no defensive potential who wants to do nothing but score (at a 38% clip). Kolek may have shot 32% but scoring wasn't what he was asked to do last season. He was literally the only PG the team had.

The same people that complain Oso and Kur are "too skinny" want a guy who's even skinnier and weaker because he has a couple of stars next to his name.

[Pakuni]

A high usage, low efficiency player that will be gone in a year is not the culture Shaka is going for.

A multiyear player like Kolek, who improves over time, and is still here in 2-3 years is exactly the culture Shaka is going for.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

Yeah, good thing we're not bringing in one-year players. (Please ignore that Zach Wrightsil in the corner).