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MU82

Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 23, 2023, 06:04:21 AM
Buffalo is missing something.  Not sure if it's the coach but something feels like it's missing there.  Secondary was depleted but Cincinnati imposed their will against them and Miami would have beaten them if they had a QB

For one thing, Buffalo's pass rush all but vanished after Von Miller got hurt. That, combined with their problems in the secondary, has made them easy pickin's for great QBs. For another, Allen did not get better this season and, arguably, regressed a little. He made boneheaded mistakes in several games, mistakes unbefitting a QB of his talent. He also took a beating, as Buffalo used him as a runner a lot down the stretch.

You might be right about the coaching, too. I sure hope the Panthers do better than the Bills' OC.

I feel comfortable saying the best 4 teams reached the conference title games. There is no legit argument for Buffalo being better than KC (with a healthy-ish Mahomes), Philly or San Fran. And given the way Cinci is playing, including yesterday, not better than the Bengals either.
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Uncle Rico

Quote from: MU82 on January 23, 2023, 07:21:49 AM
For one thing, Buffalo's pass rush all but vanished after Von Miller got hurt. That, combined with their problems in the secondary, has made them easy pickin's for great QBs. For another, Allen did not get better this season and, arguably, regressed a little. He made boneheaded mistakes in several games, mistakes unbefitting a QB of his talent. He also took a beating, as Buffalo used him as a runner a lot down the stretch.

You might be right about the coaching, too. I sure hope the Panthers do better than the Bills' OC.

I feel comfortable saying the best 4 teams reached the conference title games. There is no legit argument for Buffalo being better than KC (with a healthy-ish Mahomes), Philly or San Fran. And given the way Cinci is playing, including yesterday, not better than the Bengals either.

I think Ken Dorsey is fine.  We might be underestimating the impact Allen's injury had on him but I agree they used his legs too much down the stretch. 

Miller is a great player but if your defense solely relies on him at this point, your roster has other holes
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tower912

Quote from: MU82 on January 23, 2023, 07:21:49 AM


I feel comfortable saying the best 4 teams reached the conference title games. There is no legit argument for Buffalo being better than KC (with a healthy-ish Mahomes), Philly or San Fran. And given the way Cinci is playing, including yesterday, not better than the Bengals either.

What about the Lions?

Seriously, though, I agree.   
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

MUBurrow

Quote from: DegenerateDish on January 22, 2023, 04:27:07 PM
Hot take, Bills should have fired McDermott and kept Daboll.

Whether or not firing McDermott was a realistic option, I agree Daboll is far more valuable to a franchise than McDermott. He strikes me more as the head administrator type of coach, which is great when you have have two head coaches as your coordinators.  But as the cap restrictions and coach attrition hits the Bills, I don't think McDermott is going to flourish in the way that say, guys like Andy Reid or Kyle Shanahan have.

The Sultan

The Cowboys streak of 27 seasons without reaching the conference championship game is pretty amazing to me. It's not like they have been bad either.  The Jets and Jags have been to three championship games EACH since the Cowboys were last in one.

"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MU82

Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 23, 2023, 07:29:24 AM
I think Ken Dorsey is fine.  We might be underestimating the impact Allen's injury had on him but I agree they used his legs too much down the stretch. 

Miller is a great player but if your defense solely relies on him at this point, your roster has other holes

Dorsey's fine right where he is! And good point about the Bills' D.

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 23, 2023, 09:35:42 AM
The Cowboys streak of 27 seasons without reaching the conference championship game is pretty amazing to me. It's not like they have been bad either.  The Jets and Jags have been to three championship games EACH since the Cowboys were last in one.

Yeah, you're right. That is freakin' incredible.
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"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

tower912

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 23, 2023, 09:35:42 AM
The Cowboys streak of 27 seasons without reaching the conference championship game is pretty amazing to me. It's not like they have been bad either.  The Jets and Jags have been to three championship games EACH since the Cowboys were last in one.
Lions fan laughs.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Jockey

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 23, 2023, 09:35:42 AM
The Cowboys streak of 27 seasons without reaching the conference championship game is pretty amazing to me. It's not like they have been bad either.  The Jets and Jags have been to three championship games EACH since the Cowboys were last in one.

There is one common denominator during this period.

Jerry Jones is the worst GM in the league. I'm talking, of course, on the football side of GM'ing. He is great on the money making side.

Pakuni

Quote from: Jockey on January 23, 2023, 10:27:55 AM
There is one common denominator during this period.

Jerry Jones is the worst GM in the league. I'm talking, of course, on the football side of GM'ing. He is great on the money making side.

Nah.
He hasn't been the best, but worst?
His team has made the playoffs five of the last 10 years, and has the 8th most wins in the league since 2010. He's got a respectable draft record, landing several all-pro talents (Martin, Diggs, Parsons, Frederick, Smith, Diggs) over the past decade while rarely picking in the top 10.
If you think his record of accomplishment is worse than the Dave Gettlemans and Steve Keims of the world, I'm not sure what to tell you.

JWags85

Quote from: GB Warrior on January 22, 2023, 08:47:10 PM
We're gonna need to have some conversations on Dak this offseason

Dak is just the absolute nightmare for an NFL team.  Signs a big money deal...and IMMEDIATELY regresses across the board.

Add to that paying significant money to an RB who isn't much better, if at all, than his backup.

At least they have one of the best WRs in the NFL for another year on a rookie deal.

Jockey

Quote from: Pakuni on January 23, 2023, 10:45:52 AM
Nah.
He hasn't been the best, but worst?
His team has made the playoffs five of the last 10 years, and has the 8th most wins in the league since 2010. He's got a respectable draft record, landing several all-pro talents (Martin, Diggs, Parsons, Frederick, Smith, Diggs) over the past decade while rarely picking in the top 10.
If you think his record of accomplishment is worse than the Dave Gettlemans and Steve Keims of the world, I'm not sure what to tell you.

Taken in total, I think he ha been awful. As bad as any GM in the league. He would have been fired long ago by every single team except the one he owns.

Every team drafts great players on occasion. What other GM would have stuck with Jason Garrett for so long? Hire Mike McCarthy? Given the huge contract to Cutler..., I mean Dak? Spent huge $$$ for what is now basically a backup RB?

The Cowboys haven't been in a conference final in forever because of Jones. And the times they got there early in Jones tenure were in spite of him. Jimmy Johnson got them there and Jones couldn't stand someone else getting credit.

Jockey

Quote from: JWags85 on January 23, 2023, 11:48:33 AM
Dak is just the absolute nightmare for an NFL team.  Signs a big money deal...and IMMEDIATELY regresses across the board.

Add to that paying significant money to an RB who isn't much better, if at all, than his backup.



Ah..., you beat me to it on these comments.

The Sultan

Jones has gotten a lot better in the drafting part of the job over the last few years, mostly because I think his son is stepping in more to stop him from making bad decisions.

But ten seasons of Jason Garrett was a poor, poor GM decision.  Remember when he had three seasons in a row that they were heading into the final month of the season in control of their playoff destiny, only to finish poorly, end at 8-8 and miss out?
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Hards Alumni

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 23, 2023, 09:35:42 AM
The Cowboys streak of 27 seasons without reaching the conference championship game is pretty amazing to me. It's not like they have been bad either.  The Jets and Jags have been to three championship games EACH since the Cowboys were last in one.

My favorite stat of the year is that no head coach has won the super bowl with two different teams.

Jerry Jones expecting Mike McCarthy to be the first is the highest order of hilarity.

tower912

My favorite coaching stat is that no Lions head coach has ever gone on to be the head coach of another NFL team.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: tower912 on January 25, 2023, 12:47:33 PM
My favorite coaching stat is that no Lions head coach has ever gone on to be the head coach of another NFL team.

My least favorite coaching stat is that a team has given an 0-16 defensive coordinator a second job as defensive coordinator.

cheebs09

Quote from: Hards Alumni on January 25, 2023, 12:53:42 PM
My least favorite coaching stat is that a team has given an 0-16 defensive coordinator a second job as defensive coordinator.

And keeping him on after a bad year.

Pakuni

Quote from: tower912 on January 25, 2023, 12:47:33 PM
My favorite coaching stat is that no Lions head coach has ever gone on to be the head coach of another NFL team.

Once a Lion, always only a Lion

tower912

I thought Caldwell might break that streak.  Not yet.   The other likely candidate is Jim Schwartz.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.


forgetful

Quote from: JWags85 on January 23, 2023, 11:48:33 AM
Dak is just the absolute nightmare for an NFL team.  Signs a big money deal...and IMMEDIATELY regresses across the board.

Add to that paying significant money to an RB who isn't much better, if at all, than his backup.

At least they have one of the best WRs in the NFL for another year on a rookie deal.

In truth, both contracts were moronic at the time. Dak never really showed the fundamentals of an elite QB. They paid him well beyond his worth. I really don't think he regressed; he continues to play to his talent level.

Same with Elliot. He was a good every down back, but not elite. Don't overpay RBs in the current format of the league.

Pakuni

Panthers hiring Frank Reich, which is ... interesting?

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Pakuni on January 26, 2023, 01:29:15 PM
Panthers hiring Frank Reich, which is ... interesting?

Their coaching search in 2026 will be something
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MU82

Trying to stay open-minded and optimistic, which is my M.O. as a fan (and in life).

Not easy here. Reich wasn't one of my top choices.
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BM1090

Quote from: MU82 on January 26, 2023, 01:48:54 PM
Trying to stay open-minded and optimistic, which is my M.O. as a fan (and in life).

Not easy here. Reich wasn't one of my top choices.

I don't know much about Reich, but he went to the playoffs with Jacoby Brissett and Phillip Rivers, and finished one game out with Carson Wentz.

There are worse choices for a team that's lacking at QB.

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