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Author Topic: 2022-2023 NFL Season  (Read 57706 times)

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #1700 on: December 06, 2022, 09:14:55 AM »
I actually respect that you completely whiffed in remembering the Saints didn’t own their first round pick and tried to save face here.

Yes, I’ve said and believe if a team collects as many second round picks as possible, it’s a competitive advantage to roster build and cap build. So I guess great result for the Saints? I’m not sure why that take lives rent free in some people’s heads around here.

Whiffed on what?  You admit that early second round picks are the most valuable picks you can obtain, and the Saints picks just got better by losing last night.

The Bears have "great results" every time they lose, but a different non contender should cut a guy for helping them lose a game?  Seems like some odd logic.

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #1701 on: December 06, 2022, 09:20:55 AM »
The Bears are not trying to lose on purpose, to think otherwise is silly.

Their roster overall is poor, they traded away defensive assets, and the roster got worse. Ownership absolutely wants to win each game, but the front office understands that if the by product of each game happens to be a loss, it’s long term beneficial to them.

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #1702 on: December 06, 2022, 09:33:44 AM »
Yes, I honestly believe the Bears are trying to lose. Me and 99% of NFL fans and the media believe that. Congrats on being contrarian.

There is no dumber argument than the one in which someone makes the impossible to prove claim that "everyone agrees with me."

By the way, does Justin Fields know he's trying to lose?
"Nobody has that mindset on our team," quarterback Justin Fields said. "Everybody on the team, including the coaches, we want to win games. We want to every game. So nobody's waving the white flag."

https://www.si.com/nfl/bears/news/justin-fields-says-nobodys-waving-the-white-flag

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #1703 on: December 06, 2022, 09:39:25 AM »
Lots of talking past each other here - which happens often in Scoopdom.

As an organization, the Bears clearly did not prioritize winning this season, especially once it became obvious that winning wasn't gonna happen. They traded good players, they have promoted young players who otherwise might not have played, they are pretty obviously more interested in building draft capital and increasing salary-cap space.

But coaches and players are not wired to think about anything other than winning. Players and coaches aren't going into any game asking, "How do we lose today?"

Players and coaches on teams that have operated as the Bears have this season do not need to try to lose. It just happens because of the talent and/or experience disparity compared to the teams they are playing.

And I like to think that most of the people involved in all the discussion know all of this.

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #1704 on: December 06, 2022, 09:48:01 AM »
Lots of talking past each other here - which happens often in Scoopdom.

As an organization, the Bears clearly did not prioritize winning this season, especially once it became obvious that winning wasn't gonna happen. They traded good players, they have promoted young players who otherwise might not have played, they are pretty obviously more interested in building draft capital and increasing salary-cap space.

But coaches and players are not wired to think about anything other than winning. Players and coaches aren't going into any game asking, "How do we lose today?"

Players and coaches on teams that have operated as the Bears have this season do not need to try to lose. It just happens because of the talent and/or experience disparity compared to the teams they are playing.

And I like to think that most of the people involved in all the discussion know all of this.

You give people here too much credit.

Some cannot understand the difference between the front office looking to the future (cap space and draft assets) and the players and coaches trying to win every time they step on the field in the present.

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #1705 on: December 06, 2022, 09:57:47 AM »
Lots of talking past each other here - which happens often in Scoopdom.

As an organization, the Bears clearly did not prioritize winning this season, especially once it became obvious that winning wasn't gonna happen. They traded good players, they have promoted young players who otherwise might not have played, they are pretty obviously more interested in building draft capital and increasing salary-cap space.

But coaches and players are not wired to think about anything other than winning. Players and coaches aren't going into any game asking, "How do we lose today?"

Players and coaches on teams that have operated as the Bears have this season do not need to try to lose. It just happens because of the talent and/or experience disparity compared to the teams they are playing.

And I like to think that most of the people involved in all the discussion know all of this.

Actually, several of us have made the distinction between a front-office that is prioritizing the rebuilding process over short-term success vs. the team, which is trying to win every time they take the field.

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #1706 on: December 06, 2022, 10:07:51 AM »
Actually, several of us have made the distinction between a front-office that is prioritizing the rebuilding process over short-term success vs. the team, which is trying to win every time they take the field.
100% agree. I have said multiple times the players and coaches are giving 100% to win every game and are disappointed in the record.

The quote above from Justin Fields proves my point.

What I don't understand is how a somewhat common strategy of tanking / losing games for the long term benefit of a team, and the fact that the fans like it and understand the benefits of it, is so difficult to understand.

This seems like a win/win scenario: Packers win = happy GB fans; Bears lose = happy Chicago fans.

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #1707 on: December 06, 2022, 06:15:37 PM »
Packers have won 8 straight against the Bears? Extremely short sited. Why win games against your rival when it’s helping them improve their draft stock and hurts your own?

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #1708 on: December 08, 2022, 09:57:57 PM »
Maxx Crosby has been held about a million times tonight.

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #1709 on: December 08, 2022, 10:21:53 PM »
What a horrific loss.

Raiders jump offside twice on the first Rams TD drive (once on 4th down). The Raiders then have 3rd & 1, don’t make it, and then punt on 4th down.

Huge sack on final drive that probably does in the Rams, and Tillery with the worst penalty you’ll ever see, not only gives LA a free first down, but stops the clock.

Complete meltdown, absolutely Raider like.
« Last Edit: December 08, 2022, 10:25:37 PM by DegenerateDish »

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #1710 on: December 08, 2022, 10:32:45 PM »
What a horrific loss.

Raiders jump offside twice on the first Rams TD drive (once on 4th down). The Raiders then have 3rd & 1, don’t make it, and then punt on 4th down.

Huge sack on final drive that probably does in the Rams, and Tillery with the worst penalty you’ll ever see, not only gives LA a free first down, but stops the clock.

Complete meltdown, absolutely Raider like.

Great result!

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #1711 on: December 08, 2022, 10:33:35 PM »
Great result!

Rent free baby, rent free!

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #1712 on: December 11, 2022, 01:21:46 PM »
Mitch Trubisky … just doing Mitch Trubisky things.

Edit: And then doing them again!
« Last Edit: December 11, 2022, 01:56:33 PM by MU82 »

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #1713 on: December 11, 2022, 03:05:35 PM »
Lions find their new tight end.

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #1714 on: December 11, 2022, 03:13:35 PM »
Too funny.   Nobody went with him.
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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #1715 on: December 11, 2022, 05:01:16 PM »
Bucs will make the playoffs cause the South is terrible, but they are bad. I would stay away from Brady when he tries to get out of town next year.
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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #1716 on: December 11, 2022, 05:23:35 PM »
The fat lady sang, went home, and is resting comfortably.

It’s time to put the stone on Brady’s grave.

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #1717 on: December 11, 2022, 07:39:45 PM »
Brandon Staley stinks.

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #1718 on: December 11, 2022, 08:49:09 PM »
Are we sure Tua is ok? He’s been like really really bad the last two weeks. He can’t throw with any accuracy, he has the yips or something.

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #1719 on: December 11, 2022, 09:27:02 PM »
Bucs will make the playoffs cause the South is terrible, but they are bad. I would stay away from Brady when he tries to get out of town next year.

If the Panthers win out, which would include their second win of the season over TB, they'd win the South. Not that I expect them to win out ... but I don't expect the Bucs to do it, either.

All one needs to know about how putrid the division is ... is that the Panthers are playing by far the best of the 4 teams.

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« Reply #1720 on: December 11, 2022, 09:59:50 PM »
If the Panthers win out, which would include their second win of the season over TB, they'd win the South. Not that I expect them to win out ... but I don't expect the Bucs to do it, either.

All one needs to know about how putrid the division is ... is that the Panthers are playing by far the best of the 4 teams.

Who woulda ever thunk that Darnold may be the best QB in the division?

That should just be a snarky throwaway line, but it might actually be true.

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #1721 on: December 11, 2022, 10:06:49 PM »
Stat just shown on Sportscenter:

There have been more than 250 teams in NFL history to have won 10 of their first 13 games. These Vikings are the only one to have been outscored on the season.

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #1722 on: December 12, 2022, 05:14:53 AM »
9 one possession wins.  3 double digit losses.    Good for them.   Detroit has six one possession losses.    Therefore, Minnesota has the record they do and Detroit has the record they do.
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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #1723 on: December 12, 2022, 06:44:03 AM »
9 one possession wins.  3 double digit losses.    Good for them.   Detroit has six one possession losses.    Therefore, Minnesota has the record they do and Detroit has the record they do.

Yessir. I wasn't trying to say the Vikings didn't deserve to be in first place or anything. I just thought it was an interesting stat.

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #1724 on: December 13, 2022, 12:07:41 PM »
Anybody adding Sewell to their fantasy rosters?
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