Omicron variant

[pacearrow02]

What are your thoughts on folks saying we're severely undercounting deaths from covid?

From or with?  I think they're wrong if they believe "from" is undercounted but undoubtedly right on undercounted "with" especially in 2020.

[jesmu84]

From or with?  I think they're wrong if they believe "from" is undercounted but undoubtedly right on undercounted "with" especially in 2020.

Lulz

[Billy Hoyle]

Quebec has implemented and using police to enforce a 10 pm to 5 am curfew. Apparently Omnicron does not spread at night. Baby steps...

[cheebs09]

Quebec has implemented and using police to enforce a 10 pm to 5 am curfew. Apparently Omnicron does not spread at night. Baby steps...

Heaven forbid a place take steps to stem the spread of Covid at a peak. It won't stop every spread of Covid in Montreal, but tried to remove a scenario where people are in indoor spaces, tightly packed, and inhibitions lowered.

It is crazy to me people think if a policy is enacted that doesn't stop every Covid case, it is useless.

[Billy Hoyle]

Heaven forbid a place take steps to stem the spread of Covid at a peak. It won't stop every spread of Covid in Montreal, but tried to remove a scenario where people are in indoor spaces, tightly packed, and inhibitions lowered.

It is crazy to me people think if a policy is enacted that doesn't stop every Covid case, it is useless.

How does ticketing and even arresting people walking their dogs at 11 pm stop COVID but it's ok to walk the dog at 9:45 pm? COVID only spreads after 10 pm in Quebec, I guess.

Maybe it's the same strain that only spread when one exercised outside for more than an hour a day and went running more than 3 miles from your home in Victoria, AU.  55 minutes and 2.5 miles, no spread. At least we have a virus that is pretty disciplined.

[cheebs09]

Looks like they are adjusting to allow for an exception to dog owners. Also, no one has been issued a ticket for walking their dog. So you can rest easy.

https://apple.news/Ajz89WNHuR9-sXPB0Z8N53g

If this is their best way to limit people gathering in large groups and indoors, then I'm glad they are trying something. Will this stop all spread? Of course not. But if it can help mitigate the number of cases to give the hospitals some slack, then I think it's worth a shot.

[JWags85]

Looks like they are adjusting to allow for an exception to dog owners. Also, no one has been issued a ticket for walking their dog. So you can rest easy.

https://apple.news/Ajz89WNHuR9-sXPB0Z8N53g

If this is their best way to limit people gathering in large groups and indoors, then I'm glad they are trying something. Will this stop all spread? Of course not. But if it can help mitigate the number of cases to give the hospitals some slack, then I think it's worth a shot.

Then just cap bars and restaurants with certain hours.  When I was in Belgium when Omicron hit, bars and restaurants had a hard close at 11. Not the most fun, but reasonable and justified.  Blanket curfews just seem excessively draconian and "look at how staunch we are!" security theater.

[MuggsyB]

The Mayo Clinic is now requiring all patients and visitors to wear N95's because of Omicron.  This is why I was saying cloth masks at Fiserv are minimal protection if any.  But as more data is accumulated it seems as though Omicron is far less serious than Delta despite being much more contagious.

[The Sultan]

The Mayo Clinic is now requiring all patients and visitors to wear N95's because of Omicron.  This is why I was saying cloth masks at Fiserv are minimal protection if any.  But as more data is accumulated it seems as though Omicron is far less serious than Delta despite being much more contagious.

Again because if you can't do everything possible, you may as well do nothing.

[pacearrow02]

Again because if you can't do everything possible, you may as well do nothing.

I was at the game yesterday.  80% of the folks I saw where wearing cloth masks.  Which does absolutely nothing for you or the people around you so it's ink thing more then theater.  Scotty G was on the morning shows today saying a cloth mask does nothing since Covid is airborne. 

I remember saying that awhile back and then getting "dunked" on by a handful of know it all scoopers who talk a lot but more often then not have no idea what they're talking about.

[Uncle Rico]

I was at the game yesterday.  80% of the folks I saw where wearing cloth masks.  Which does absolutely nothing for you or the people around you so it's ink thing more then theater.  Scotty G was on the morning shows today saying a cloth mask does nothing since Covid is airborne. 

I remember saying that awhile back and then getting "dunked" on by a handful of know it all scoopers who talk a lot but more often then not have no idea what they're talking about.

Unlike you

[The Sultan]

I was at the game yesterday.  80% of the folks I saw where wearing cloth masks.  Which does absolutely nothing for you or the people around you so it's ink thing more then theater.  Scotty G was on the morning shows today saying a cloth mask does nothing since Covid is airborne. 

I remember saying that awhile back and then getting "dunked" on by a handful of know it all scoopers who talk a lot but more often then not have no idea what they're talking about.

Cloth masks help. Are they perfect?  Nope. Are they better than N95s? Nope. But are they more than "theatre?"  Yep.

You would think being consistently wrong (remember Sweden?) would cause you to question your continued Covid takes, but I guess not.

[rocky_warrior]

Scotty G was on the morning shows today saying a cloth mask does nothing since Covid is airborne. 

Fake news.

"Cloth masks aren't going to provide a lot of protection, that's the bottom line"
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/full-transcript-dr-scott-gottlieb-face-the-nation-january-2-2022/

[pacearrow02]

https://twitter.com/VPrasadMDMPH/status/1477707606135226372

The science is settled.  Safe and effective they say.

Again just as a reminder.  Im double poked, believe anyone who wants to get it should get it and I encourage my family and friends to do it (had to talk my wife into it).  However mandating something we are still learning about is insane.

[pacearrow02]

Fake news.

"Cloth masks aren't going to provide a lot of protection, that's the bottom line"
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/full-transcript-dr-scott-gottlieb-face-the-nation-january-2-2022/

"Cloth masks are little more than facial decorations. There's no place for them in light of Omicron," said CNN Medical Analyst Dr. Leana Wen, an emergency physician and visiting professor of health policy and management at the George Washington University Milken Institute School of Public Health, on CNN Newsroom Tuesday.

Facial decorations Rocky.  At least Tower admitted awhile back that this is why he likes wearing his to hide his chubby face or something along those lines. 

Ive never seen a kid in school wear anything other then a cloth mask so good thing we had them doing that for the better part of 18 months. 

[The Sultan]

https://twitter.com/VPrasadMDMPH/status/1477707606135226372

The science is settled.  Safe and effective they say.

Again just as a reminder.  Im double poked, believe anyone who wants to get it should get it and I encourage my family and friends to do it (had to talk my wife into it).  However mandating something we are still learning about is insane.

Congrats.  You've found someone as big of a quack as you are.

[rocky_warrior]

Congrats.  You've found someone as big of a quack as you are.

Right, plus he was putting words in Scott G's mouth.  I mean, if you have to lie to make your point...

[pacearrow02]

Congrats.  You've found someone as big of a quack as you are.

Who these people?

Katie A Sharff MD a
, David M Dancoes b, Jodi L Longueil PharmD c, Eric S Johnson PhD b
, Paul F Lewis MD,
MPHd
a
Department of Infectious Diseases, Kaiser Permanente Northwest, Portland, Oregon; b Department of
Analytics, Kaiser Permanente Northwest, Portland, Oregon; c Division of Pharmacy, Kaiser Permanente
Northwest, Portland, Oregon; d
Department of Pediatrics, Kaiser Permanente Northwest, Portland

[pacearrow02]

Right, plus he was putting words in Scott G's mouth.  I mean, if you have to lie to make your point...

Goodness.  Can lead a horse to water....

[rocky_warrior]

Goodness.  Can lead a horse to water....

I'm not debating any point your making, just pointing out your lies.

[Skatastrophy]

Cloth masks help. Are they perfect?  Nope. Are they better than N95s? Nope. But are they more than "theatre?"  Yep.

You would think being consistently wrong (remember Sweden?) would cause you to question your continued Covid takes, but I guess not.

Yep

Here's a list of approved surgical masks based on FDA testing. There's a lot more than just N95/KN95

"The table below includes a list of surgical masks authorized by this Umbrella EUA for emergency use during the COVID-19 public health emergency."

https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19-emergency-use-authorizations-medical-devices/personal-protective-equipment-euas#appendixa

[pacearrow02]

I'm not debating any point your making, just pointing out your lies.

Sorry for not quoting him exactly but I think you're smart enough to now know (took you awhile) that a cloth mask is not going to do a thing in stopping the spread of Covid.  So if Fiserv, schools, businesses etc want to implement mask mandates they should at least require surgical masks otherwise it's little more then Covid theater.  Right??

[pacearrow02]

Cloth masks help. Are they perfect?  Nope. Are they better than N95s? Nope. But are they more than "theatre?"  Yep.

You would think being consistently wrong (remember Sweden?) would cause you to question your continued Covid takes, but I guess not.

They are not more then theatre.  Sweden continues to do very well in their Covid approach, you should take another look.

[Uncle Rico]

Sorry for not quoting him exactly but I think you're smart enough to now know (took you awhile) that a cloth mask is not going to do a thing in stopping the spread of Covid.  So if Fiserv, schools, businesses etc want to implement mask mandates they should at least require surgical masks otherwise it's little more then Covid theater.  Right??

I'm sure Rocky will let those businesses know and they'll change their policies you unserious dolt

[The Sultan]

Who these people?

Katie A Sharff MD a
, David M Dancoes b, Jodi L Longueil PharmD c, Eric S Johnson PhD b
, Paul F Lewis MD,
MPHd
a
Department of Infectious Diseases, Kaiser Permanente Northwest, Portland, Oregon; b Department of
Analytics, Kaiser Permanente Northwest, Portland, Oregon; c Division of Pharmacy, Kaiser Permanente
Northwest, Portland, Oregon; d
Department of Pediatrics, Kaiser Permanente Northwest, Portland

No.  The cancer doctor tweeting conclusions that mislead the community and lapdogs like yourself.

If you read the study, this was already known.  It was reported in Israel.  But Covid is a much greater risk for mytocarditis than vaccination.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg25133462-800-myocarditis-is-more-common-after-covid-19-infection-than-vaccination/